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EvoXDD 02-26-2013 08:05 AM

hit a curb HARD, traction control and ABS light on now need help plz!
 
I swerved to miss something and it was hit the huge box, a car, or the curb, so i chose the curb.

it popped both tires and bent the front rim. luckily my FRS buddy had 2 spare brand new FRS rims so i slapped them on there. of course the TPMS sensor light is on too, but it is the other two lights i am worried about.

also the steering wheel sits tilted to the left but it barely pulls. could all this be because it was knocked out of toe alignment?

any help would be great.

whaap 02-26-2013 08:19 AM

It could very well be more than just alignment. You did damage to the front suspension. You need to get the car into a shop as soon as you can. For what it's worth, the damage would be covered by your insurance collision coverage. If it's more than just an alignment, which it probably is, it might be worth it to use your insurance.

Dave-ROR 02-26-2013 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by whaap (Post 757878)
It could very well be more than just alignment. You did damage to the front suspension. You need to get the car into a shop as soon as you can. For what it's worth, the damage would be covered by your insurance collision coverage. If it's more than just an alignment, which it probably is, it might be worth it to use your insurance.

I agree with this. Bent suspension arms IMO.

typeray12 02-26-2013 08:46 AM

Same thing happened to me a few years back with my s2k. Steering wheel tilted with bent right wheel. I think whaap is right, you're better off using your insurance since its possible that it could be more than an alignment issue.

EvoXDD 02-26-2013 09:00 AM

insurance company said to file the claim after i try everything else. and because it was my fauly NC law gives a $500 minimum deductable. if someone had hit me then i wouldn't have a deductable....

so im going to through it on my alignment machine wednesday and look at at, the take it to the dealer and just say that i need to know why these lights are coming on.

and last case i will use the insurance company to fix her up....damn yesterday was a day that one thing after another just kept happening and that was the icing on the cake. looks like ill have to drive the Evo till wednesday when i can fix the alignment, or friday when i can get it to the dealership.

all else fails i will pay the 500 and get it fixed. So much for my DD.

EvoXDD 02-26-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 757887)
I agree with this. Bent suspension arms IMO.

like just the tie rod or deeper you think? tie rods can't be more than $500. Should i just get the insurance involved today and get this rollin or try all the earlier steps that i menthioned.

Dave-ROR 02-26-2013 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by EvoXDD (Post 757917)
like just the tie rod or deeper you think? tie rods can't be more than $500. Should i just get the insurance involved today and get this rollin or try all the earlier steps that i menthioned.

Not sure. I bent a lca on other cars with similar impacts. Throw it on the rack and see. If caster is out of whack, lca....

Lights are maybe steering angle sensor related if it got hit hard enough or maybe a broken wheel speed sensor?

whitefrs 02-26-2013 09:17 AM

It could be a wheel speed sensor too

EvoXDD 02-26-2013 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by whitefrs (Post 757934)
It could be a wheel speed sensor too

thanks you to. i am going to try alignment, subie, then insurance. since i have all stock wheels maybe subie will fix them.

When i broke my angle sensor on the evo Mitsu fixed it no questions asked and i have like 20g's in that car.

JoeBoxer 02-26-2013 09:37 AM

I've seen impacts take out the LCA, spindle, and strut before it sounds like it hit pretty hard so probably looking at 2 out of 3 if not all.

FrX 02-26-2013 09:46 AM

The LCA on these cars is pretty lightweight. I'd look at those and the tie rods first. Though the trac light makes it sound like you damaged an ABS sensor, so the spindles may need a look at as well.

OrbitalEllipses 02-26-2013 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FrX (Post 757988)
The LCA on these cars is pretty lightweight. I'd look at those and the tie rods first. Though the trac light makes it sound like you damaged an ABS sensor, so the spindles may need a look at as well.

Bingo. ABS sensor was my guess.

Squishy86 02-26-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by EvoXDD (Post 757915)
looks like ill have to drive the Evo till wednesday when i can fix the alignment, or friday when i can get it to the dealership.

#firstworldproblems I hit a curb with my FRS so I have to drive my Evo now.

Not that I'm ridiculing you. That really does suck for having a car out of commission. Hopefully its just a sensor and no structural damage.

EvoXDD 02-26-2013 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sabSquishy (Post 758074)
#firstworldproblems I hit a curb with my FRS so I have to drive my Evo now.

Not that I'm ridiculing you. That really does suck for having a car out of commission. Hopefully its just a sensor and no structural damage.

haha i know how it sounds but that 6 puck stage 4 ceramic clutch sucks to drive in traffic.

will subie cover it if it was say... a pot hole?

JoeBoxer 02-26-2013 10:50 AM

Warranty covers manufacturer defects not any kind of damage from an outside force.

Pete 02-26-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by EvoXDD (Post 757915)
....damn yesterday was a day that one thing after another just kept happening and that was the icing on the cake. looks like ill have to drive the Evo till wednesday...

Count your blessings bro, I put my car in the shop to replace my cracked front bumper (after a suicidal dog) and I had to drive my GFs '07 chevy Aveo.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...psc70e2d14.jpg

Foobar 02-26-2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 758123)
Count your blessings bro, I put my car in the shop to replace my cracked front bumper (after a suicidal dog) and I had to drive my GFs '07 chevy Aveo.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...psc70e2d14.jpg

Needs moar low.

(sorry, I had to)

EvoXDD 02-26-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 758119)
Warranty covers manufacturer defects not any kind of damage from an outside force.

Just talked to them. They will cover it if it doesn't look like i took a mallet to it and since there isn't even scratches and two brand new rims I might be good

Weird thing is they are off till about 5-8 miles then both pop on at the same time.

EvoXDD 02-26-2013 02:47 PM

Driving the time attack monster till at least Friday. Put my insurance company in the know just in case subie doesn't cover it.

SkAsphalt 02-26-2013 03:54 PM

Why would Subaru cover you crashing....


Sounds like your shop is willing to commit fraud so they can get some business within their auto body. Yay?

ST185RC 02-26-2013 04:52 PM

It sounds like you're setting yourself up to get denied and screwed on both ends which is on your hands as you are the one at fault here.

The longer you drag this out with the insurance company, the less likely they are going to pay. Who knows what happens between the time of the accident and the time the adjuster assesses the damage. Tampering with the parts affected gives them ammo to deny your claim. Was your shop responsible for doing something with the car? How long did you drive the vehicle while damaged? On a bent rim? Oh you changed your rim? For how long? Oh, if you have a new rim, we aren't paying for your rim that your buddy signed off on from the dealer.

See? I can be stupid like an adjuster too. Again, the longer the claim goes on, the more muddled it becomes and the more likely they get the upper hand. Dealing with insurers is like dealing with HIV. The longer you ignore it, the worse it's going to get.

On the otherhand, Subaru techs, as dumb as people make them out to be, have probably seen stuff like this before. If you slammed your wheels hard enough against the curb to bend a wheel and pop both tires off one side, they can probably trace the damage and won't pay a cent. Bent control arms, tie rods, dampers, something took the force of the hit and it won't be consistent to a car that's not hit anything. In the event that they did find that you are at fault, your warranty will do squat.

EvoXDD 02-27-2013 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ST185RC (Post 758973)
It sounds like you're setting yourself up to get denied and screwed on both ends which is on your hands as you are the one at fault here.

The longer you drag this out with the insurance company, the less likely they are going to pay. Who knows what happens between the time of the accident and the time the adjuster assesses the damage. Tampering with the parts affected gives them ammo to deny your claim. Was your shop responsible for doing something with the car? How long did you drive the vehicle while damaged? On a bent rim? Oh you changed your rim? For how long? Oh, if you have a new rim, we aren't paying for your rim that your buddy signed off on from the dealer.

See? I can be stupid like an adjuster too. Again, the longer the claim goes on, the more muddled it becomes and the more likely they get the upper hand. Dealing with insurers is like dealing with HIV. The longer you ignore it, the worse it's going to get.

On the otherhand, Subaru techs, as dumb as people make them out to be, have probably seen stuff like this before. If you slammed your wheels hard enough against the curb to bend a wheel and pop both tires off one side, they can probably trace the damage and won't pay a cent. Bent control arms, tie rods, dampers, something took the force of the hit and it won't be consistent to a car that's not hit anything. In the event that they did find that you are at fault, your warranty will do squat.

So in your post that makes a lot of sense, should I put my tires back on in my driveway and just call the insurance? They said I could make the claim after I try an alignment and try Subaru but you are right subie will know those aren't the rims that were on the car when it hit whatever.

I can tell the insurance I got a buddy to come out and loan a rim to get me home. Which is 100% true, he wants his rims back. But should I even try Subaru? If I say pot hole, wouldn't the sensors but not suspension be covered?

I was talking about this with a buddy this morning and his friend did the same thing but ice is what cause him to slide into the curb. He took it to subie and they said that the control arm was bent and their were none in the states so he is still waiting.

So subie was nice to him, so should i try subie or put my tires on and call the insurance.

n2oinferno 02-27-2013 11:57 AM

This should all be done though insurance. None of it should go through Subaru since it's not a warranty claim. You hit something and stuff broke, that's not a fault of the manufacturer. Insurance will cover everything, new tires as well I believe, and you'll be out your deductible and in some cases, some depreciation from wear on the old tires.

jstn 02-27-2013 01:13 PM

Just let your insurance handle it. If you nailed a curb hard enough to blow out two tires and ruin a wheel there is probably suspension damage, alignment problems, etc. Repair work is expensive, a $500 deductible is the least of your worries. Drop in the pot compared to potentially spending a couple grand fixing shit on your own dime.

King Tut 02-27-2013 03:00 PM

Definitely insurance and $500 deductible is the way to go. This will be a comprehensive claim to your insurance. It sounds like you will need at least 2 wheels, 2 tires, some sensors, and possibly multiple suspension pieces.

EvoXDD 02-28-2013 07:47 AM

Well I brought it in to subie yesterday and told them unless its just an alignment, insurance will be called. They called me yesterday at 430ish and said call your insurance cause some bolt is missing a nut and the bolt bent and to call my insurance. I drove up there and fixed it. Nothing looked bent. Told them to get it on an alignment machine and let me know. Should know in a couple hours. I'm still calling insurance to get a check for the two rims and tires, to cover the $90 diagnostics, and whatever labor time, and if there is anything else then that to. My Evo had a bad steering sensor and it was able to be reflashed and it was fine, hopefully the same for the brz. Got a rally meet in 2 weeks. And I'm ordering my rims like now lol was getting a quote the day this happened.

EvoXDD 02-28-2013 04:08 PM

Everything fixed. Nothing bent, cept two rims, and she is back up and running.


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