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KidWonder 12-17-2011 06:20 PM

Twin Turbo FR-S/BRZ?
 
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If we could lower the compression ratio, would it be possible to twin turbo the FR-S or BRZ. Back in 1993 Subaru twin turboed the japanese spec Legacy, it was a 4 cylinder. Thoughts?

KidWonder 12-17-2011 06:22 PM

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop..._jKJVQ-Q&gl=US

Ryuu0u 12-17-2011 06:26 PM

With enough cash anything is possible but why would you TT over a single turbo?

Dark 12-17-2011 06:27 PM

It has been covered many times. Proper sized single turbo will be good enough.

WingsofWar 12-17-2011 06:33 PM

no...

/thread

-josh

KidWonder 12-17-2011 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 99938)
no...

/thread

-josh

Why not? No one has yet answered the the question.

KidWonder 12-17-2011 06:56 PM

http://www.topspeed.com/racing/f1/f1...3-ar88901.html

tranzformer 12-17-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KidWonder (Post 99942)
Why not? No one has yet answered the the question.

Yes they have WoW just answered it. It is no.

WhiteGDB 12-17-2011 07:15 PM

That legacy was sequential turbo not twin.

KidWonder 12-17-2011 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 99949)
Yes they have WoW just answered it. It is no.

Indeed he did. But I want to know why?:iono:

KidWonder 12-17-2011 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteGDB (Post 99953)
That legacy was sequential turbo not twin.

It's still a twin turbo. Sequential twin turbos just utilize 1 turbo for lower speeds and the other turbo for higher speeds.:thumbsup:

KidWonder 12-17-2011 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteGDB (Post 99953)
That legacy was sequential turbo not twin.

And btw the rx7 and Supra had sequential turbos also but we're advertised as twin turbos.

Mr.Jay 12-17-2011 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 99938)
no...

/thread

-josh


wish you were a mod with a ban hammer

JDM-dono 12-17-2011 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Jay (Post 99969)
wish you were a mod with a ban hammer

+1

WingsofWar 12-17-2011 07:54 PM

sigh...

ok...the EJ20TT was actually not a very good motor in general despite the variations through the years. Many Legacy B4/GTB owners have converted to single turbo because the twins are just awful for that engine.

The problem with twin sequential turbos is that they peak to fast on the powerband and leave no room for spread.

If you consider doing a twin non-sequential turbo set up, a 2.0l 4 cylinder doesn't produce enough exhaust to spin a sized turbo efficiently. Resulting in retarded lag. Even more so on 2 banks 2 per cylinder like the EJ.

Sure you can put two turbos a 2.0 boxer engine...but a single turbo of any range will yeild better results.

On top of that, LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION..there just might not be enough room for a twin turbo and pluming in the FRS or BRZ.

There are way to many issues besides compression that needs to be addressed before we can even consider an efficient twin turbo setup on the FA20.

So again...short answer...no.

ichitaka05 12-17-2011 08:21 PM

^Dang, I was xmas shopping and WoW beat me to it.

But like WoW have said, EJ20DETT was POS it's a waste of even think bout.

IF you wanna do twin turbo FRS go for it. It's your car, you can do anything you want... BUT before thinking bout twin turboing this car, figure out HOW you can have enough $ to go to College & buy FRS.

Now, we're not trying to be jack-a... but you made a thread bout how you don't have $ to buy this car, cuz you gonna go to engineering university and so on. It's to early for you to think bout twin turboing this car

Snoopyalien24 12-17-2011 09:10 PM

Wait... I'm from Miami, and you're from Cleveland... Aren't we supposed to be fighting?













Don't burn anymore jerseys this year :scared0016: :bellyroll:

Matador 12-17-2011 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 99976)
sigh...

ok...the EJ20TT was actually not a very good motor in general despite the variations through the years. Many Legacy B4/GTB owners have converted to single turbo because the twins are just awful for that engine.

The problem with twin sequential turbos is that they peak to fast on the powerband and leave no room for spread.

If you consider doing a twin non-sequential turbo set up, a 2.0l 4 cylinder doesn't produce enough exhaust to spin a sized turbo efficiently. Resulting in retarded lag. Even more so on 2 banks 2 per cylinder like the EJ.

Sure you can put two turbos a 2.0 boxer engine...but a single turbo of any range will yeild better results.

On top of that, LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION..there just might not be enough room for a twin turbo and pluming in the FRS or BRZ.

There are way to many issues besides compression that needs to be addressed before we can even consider an efficient twin turbo setup on the FA20.

So again...short answer...no.


:clap::clap::clap:

n2oinferno 12-17-2011 10:22 PM

That was 18 years ago. There's a reason it hasn't been done again. The guys above me pretty much summed it all up.

KidWonder 12-18-2011 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 99997)
^Dang, I was xmas shopping and WoW beat me to it.

But like WoW have said, EJ20DETT was POS it's a waste of even think bout.

IF you wanna do twin turbo FRS go for it. It's your car, you can do anything you want... BUT before thinking bout twin turboing this car, figure out HOW you can have enough $ to go to College & buy FRS.

Now, we're not trying to be jack-a... but you made a thread bout how you don't have $ to buy this car, cuz you gonna go to engineering university and so on. It's to early for you to think bout twin turboing this car

Haha. Maybe if you overlooked the thread more in depth, I stated I could go to The University of Akron and my moms insurance can cover the tuition. I never stated I wanted to twin turbo the FR-S, I just wanted to here your guys thought on the possibility of it, but I'll guess i'll take delete the thread since no one cares......:clap: And I applaud Woe for giving me a serious answer. :thanks:

KidWonder 12-19-2011 02:57 AM

[QUOTE=KidWonder;100097]Haha. Maybe if you overlooked the thread more in depth, I stated I could go to The University of Akron and my moms insurance can cover the tuition. I never stated I wanted to twin turbo the FR-S, I just wanted to here your guys thought on the possibility of it, but I'll guess i'll take delete the thread since no one cares......:clap: And I applaud Woe for giving me a serious answer. :thanks:[/QUOTE
I'm not trying to be a Jack-a$$:bs:

WingsofWar 12-19-2011 03:39 AM

:bellyroll:

Guff 12-19-2011 12:18 PM

In before "Can we drop a 2JZ in it?" Thread.

blur 12-19-2011 12:30 PM

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3...9mediummv6.jpg

JDLM 12-19-2011 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Guff (Post 100787)
In before "Can we drop a 2JZ in it?" Thread.

http://www.kcsr.org/images/smilies/emot-colbert.gif

Already thought about it actually

operator xghostxactualx 02-04-2013 02:15 PM

I was curious about a 911st engine swap? Would it fit?

operator xghostxactualx 02-04-2013 02:20 PM

I think its funny that as the most highly tunable new car that his the room to shoe horn an ej 25 ie ken gushi's drift car. I wouldnt mind seeing a 2jz in it but would it have to be a lateral? Or could u, or would the car fit that engine straight to tranny without moving the firewall back or modifying it?

operator xghostxactualx 02-04-2013 02:32 PM

My plans involve a vvti ej25 stroked, or stroking the 2 litre better fuel system (injectors pumps and rail), oil system, haltech management, fbm turbo kit or a blouch system, tein coilovers with edfc, cusco 2way lsd, better axles, exedy clutch and flywheel, wilwood brake kit, rocketbunny aero kit w/o wing, enkei kojin wheels. Various other parts, bride seats, sparco wheel, rear seat removal, cusco 6pt roll cage, custom exhaust (cat delete straight pipe 2 and 3/4 back readjustment of 02 sensor bung), im thinking possibly 3 inch back but am curious about the affects on back pressure.

Opposed 02-04-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by operator xghostxactualx (Post 710655)
I think its funny that as the most highly tunable new car that his the room to shoe horn an ej 25 ie ken gushi's drift car. I wouldnt mind seeing a 2jz in it but would it have to be a lateral? Or could u, or would the car fit that engine straight to tranny without moving the firewall back or modifying it?


Its already been done a couple of times.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28105

n2oinferno 02-04-2013 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by operator xghostxactualx (Post 710655)
I think its funny that as the most highly tunable new car that his the room to shoe horn an ej 25 ie ken gushi's drift car. I wouldnt mind seeing a 2jz in it but would it have to be a lateral? Or could u, or would the car fit that engine straight to tranny without moving the firewall back or modifying it?

There is no "have to." Vendors have hit 500+ hp on a stock block. Build your block, blow it, and you can have as much power as your wallet allows.

In fact I remember seeing several comments of people who have experience with the engine saying it's a better design than the EJ. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Ingen 02-04-2013 03:07 PM

Wait a second, you searched for an engine swapping thread and chose to bring THIS ONE back?

Why? There's so many good ones!

Foobar 02-04-2013 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ingen (Post 710760)
Wait a second, you searched for an engine swapping thread and chose to bring THIS ONE back?

Why? There's so many good ones!

Because twin turbo!
:burnrubber: :burnrubber:

Jahdai42 02-04-2013 04:26 PM

Twin-Charge Group-B style, anyone?

USMC FR-S 11-11-2013 07:53 PM

I know someone who is doing it :)

Whitigir 11-11-2013 08:05 PM

Lol have no money, and still want to mod an FRS. people need to wake up. You spend way too much to even FI these 86. You spent money on a new car to spend again ? Common, be real.

I see people here do have it. But seriously, with that much money ? I rather buy a cayman, or something else.

If you can't enjoy a car the way it is, don't buy it. Never talk about modding it, especially when it is new. If you mod an FRS, sure it may beat a corvette for more than the corvette cost, but with a few bolts on, a corvette can smoke you, even worse if he throw money at it, he could smoke la Ferrari. The cycle repeat, at the end, people with the most money win. Remember.

Once a superior car, always a superior car.

mike_ekim1024 11-12-2013 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whitigir (Post 1325581)
Lol have no money, and still want to mod an FRS. people need to wake up. You spend way too much to even FI these 86. You spent money on a new car to spend again ? Common, be real.

I see people here do have it. But seriously, with that much money ? I rather buy a cayman, or something else.

If you can't enjoy a car the way it is, don't buy it. Never talk about modding it, especially when it is new. If you mod an FRS, sure it may beat a corvette for more than the corvette cost, but with a few bolts on, a corvette can smoke you, even worse if he throw money at it, he could smoke la Ferrari. The cycle repeat, at the end, people with the most money win. Remember.

Once a superior car, always a superior car.

Ever heard of Legos? Heathkit? Arduino? They're way more expensive than buying a preassembled package, and also way less fun. It's fun to research, it's also fun to use your own hands and get intimate with.. Wait.. Let me rephrase that.. :) To learn all about the car. I'm no mechanic but I've now done intake, cat back, springs, sway bars, tunes and more. The best way to learn is take something apart and put it back together. I've never had this much fun with my 350Z. I just got in and drove it, but I always felt I was missing something. To sum it up.. Not everything is logical.

Whitigir 11-12-2013 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_ekim1024 (Post 1326111)
Ever heard of Legos? Heathkit? Arduino? They're way more expensive than buying a preassembled package, and also way less fun. It's fun to research, it's also fun to use your own hands and get intimate with.. Wait.. Let me rephrase that.. :) To learn all about the car. I'm no mechanic but I've now done intake, cat back, springs, sway bars, tunes and more. The best way to learn is take something apart and put it back together. I've never had this much fun with my 350Z. I just got in and drove it, but I always felt I was missing something. To sum it up.. Not everything is logical.

Those you mentioned about are child plays. Modding cars, while swapping brake parts, intake, exhaust are just minor works. It is not expensive. A walmart tool set, and a few jacks.

The op is talking about twin turbo. Do you know the fabrication of it ? The tools and the skill you need ? It is way cheaper to have a shop build it for you, and no...that ain't cheap.

mike_ekim1024 11-12-2013 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whitigir (Post 1326379)
Those you mentioned about are child plays. Modding cars, while swapping brake parts, intake, exhaust are just minor works. It is not expensive. A walmart tool set, and a few jacks.

The op is talking about twin turbo. Do you know the fabrication of it ? The tools and the skill you need ? It is way cheaper to have a shop build it for you, and no...that ain't cheap.

Sorry, maybe I did take it out of context, but...

"If you can't enjoy a car the way it is, don't buy it"

Still not sure about that one.. unless it's restated more specifically "If you can't enjoy a car with the horsepower it came with, don't but it"

Mike

GT 86 Brah 11-12-2013 09:22 PM

single turbo>

utekineir 11-12-2013 09:27 PM

shoulda bought a monte carlo


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