vs 2013 Dodge Dart
 

Most of you are probably like what Dodge Dart? Isn't that a classic muscle car?

Well yeah it used to be. Turns out that Dodge is making a Dart once again, and introducing it at the NAIAS as a sport compact.

Here is the link for more info on the Dart - http://www.dodge.com/en/dart/

Now, the reason I chose this car to compare because they claim this:

So what do you guys think? A competitor, even if it may be FWD?

Edit: Sounds like they are taking straight jabs at the AS1

http://www.dodge.com/en/dart/images/panel_1.png

http://www.dodge.com/en/dart/images/panel_2.png

http://www.dodge.com/en/dart/images/panel_3.png

http://www.dodge.com/en/dart/images/panel_4.png

I'm not sure about a direct competitor. But I will say that it fits into the same general mantra of "smaller and sportier".

A few things kill the Dart for me. FWD and Dodge are the predominant ones, the turbo sounds like it might be the enthusiast option, but at only 1.4L who knows how tuneable it will be.

I'd prefer the GT86 over it of course, but if it were RWD, the choice might be a little harder to make.

It's aiming at the Cruze and Fiesta. The Cruze Eco with Trifecta tune and intake makes close to 200 crank horsepower, not too shabby for a 1.4L that gets almost 50MPG (in the real world).

http://www.trifectaperformance.com/D...uzeLUJDyno.jpg

Trifecta tune 93 octane, no other mods.

yeah and that 9 speed auto... lol really?

There is a 2.0 NA and a 2.4... well not sure if also NA or Turbocharged

But, they do have 3 engines to choose from and different interior trims. Thing is, I best it will weigh a lot. Prolly 3000lbs+, also having 4 doors.

But if it were to be RWD - it would be pretty good direct competitor.

What a joke comparing this to a GT86. Here in EU we have this car for quite some time. It is called Alfa Romeo Giulietta. In terms of driving experience it is worse than my Alfa 147. Quality is not any better, it is still far from any german. An price is high, 32.000 € for an Alfa Romeo Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde with a +200 PS Turbo 1.7l I4.

You saying this thread is a joke or are you saying what they said is a joke?

BTW you telling us that what Dodge says are lies about the Alfa Romeo Giulietta receiving "many awards"? /sarcasm :bellyroll:

Dodge by definition: To avoid (someone or something).

Why would you buy a car whose name literally means to avoid??????

why would you want to avoid something whose very name implies its agile?

Why is there no picture of the Dodge Dart. >:l

No personal experience with Alfas, but the Brit car mags sure rip on all the utilitarian Fiat family cars for crap quality. They make it sound like Chrysler was saved by the Euro Chrysler.

Any insight from people with experience?

(Yes I know, the Brit car writers can be rather biased and nationalistic...)

Their is, just hit exterior when you scroll down a bit. Bottom left

But, here they are anyways

http://www.dodge.com/en/dart/images/panel_1.png

http://www.dodge.com/en/dart/images/panel_2.png

http://www.dodge.com/en/dart/images/panel_3.png

http://www.dodge.com/en/dart/images/panel_4.png
(too big for me to put in post)

i've owned many Chryslers over the years and have family members with them (SRT-4, 300C Hemi, 96 Viper GT, numerous Caravans). They make for great company cars (lol) but they are horribly built and you definitely get what you pay for... actually some would argue you get less than what you pay for.

So many buzzwords in that press release made me scoff... Advanced Technology, Groundbreaking style???

I feel bad for saying all this since I really want our American car companies to do better.

I am not so sure about this one.

and this one is 4 doors, by looking to the picture

So do I. Only one I'd support is Ford, even then though I've been hearing negative things.

I added pics to the first post

You do get less than what you pay for, that is why you can't lease a Chrysler or at least you couldn't a few years ago, perhaps it has changed (dealers couldn't make money due to poor resale value). I have seen a few pics of the Dart and it looks good but I say, even shit can shine.

Okay so price is in. It is wrong wheel drive - yes. But, it is priced at $15,995

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/09/2...eo-for-15-995/

I don't think it'll be a real competitor. Not until they bring out the SRT4 version, that is. I do think it looks good though.

Someone wanting a "sports" car would look at this and say:

"Hmm 4 doors, nice interior, doesn't look bad, turbo, and only $16k"

vs. FR-S

"Hmm 2 doors, no real rear seats, so far okay interior, no turbo, but $20k+?"

I think this is more of a major competitor to the Scion tC

Just read that they're going to be releasing a SRT version of the dart.

http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...dge_dart_srt4/

http://image.motortrend.com/f/353498...e-quarters.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/353499...e-quarters.jpg

Interesting. another cheap (edit maybe probably not AWD) 300+ hp turbo lightweight sedan is always welcome.

I prefer the looks of the FR-S & BRZ though. Much sexier lines.

But this is at least a huge leap in appearance from the old dodge neon SRT-4.

Whoa whoa whoa... AWD? Holy guacamole!

I still prefer the new upcoming impreza :D

Oh look, they re-named the Neon...."Hi"

Well it is a pretty big difference between AWD and FWD.

the neon offered an AWD model too. (edit no it didn't i was thinking of talon)

this really isn't the neon though. it's the same segment in their lineup as the neon. but it's an entirely different car based on an Alfa Romeo.

Chrysler/Dodge is owned by Fiat now.

Cobalt + Charger = new dart.


talk about one confusing love child

Looks better than the old neon SRT-4.

I like it. Looks like it may really have the performance to back it up this time too.

AWD Neon? No, I dont think so. Details?

Yeah I'm not sure how good the AWD system will be in this car. It sure is welcomed to have another competitor on the block, but I would risk the assumption that Subaru's AWD > this system's setup.

I was pretty sure the Dart was FWD... I was pretty sure I wasn't smoking crack that day either, so what gives?

Yeah the Dart is FWD. That is why I am confused/curious as well. I don't see any mention of AWD in the MT article. It was just HitTheGas who mentioned it. But I don't see any confirmation of that. Doubt Dodge would do this.

bah my bad. i was thinking of the talon. which isn't even a dodge.
waaaay off

i just got there somehow. probably it was the 22 hours w/ no sleep + them talking about it competing w/ the STi & Golf R which are AWD.

for that price i would think it would have to be. Because you can get a charger which is bigger, roomier, & has way more hp for that price.

I would wait a couple years on this one. I'm not one "keener" to test new European platforms transferring over to the North American market. I find there is above average quirks with said models, which will have to be sorted out in time. It will be better then the Caliber for obvious reasons (; it's not hard to beat). The SRT I'm not going to bench race yet because it's just speculated figures.

So no AWD? Yeah no competition lol

This thing won't be AWD. The regular dart is FWD and this is supposed to fill the gap the neon SRT-4 left behind. As far as thing thing being a force to be reckoned with... I wouldn't doubt it. Like it or not the neon SRT-4 was running with Vette's with some reasonable modification.

Time will tell guys.

Nobody expected the new Charger to have an AWD option, and it does.

Why doesn't anyone do the normal thing and make them RWD?

Oh that's what this is? Then I drove one on a business trip to Italy last year. The one I drove had a little diesel in it. It was alright. Not what I would really consider sporty but then it was a rental and different engine than this thing will come with.

It definitely was sort of bloated to be considered a competitor for the FRS/BRZ. It had a good sized back seat and trunk. We fit three people and their luggage for a week in it (it was packed very tight). I would say it is more a competitor for the Impreza, Civic, etc. Even sported up I think comparing it to the BRZ is sort of apples and oranges.