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FRS fogs using BRZ stalk
Alright guys! So I'm going to do the best I can but I am using my phone so bare with me! Also if you have questions or need clarification please feel free to ask.
Ok so start off, I'm not going to show how to install the fogs since there are multiple threads about it. This is a good one to use, just watch his second video. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27581 The other parts I ordered besides bezels were and fogs themselves were: X2 h11 pigtails for the bulbs [ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002MVNM8W/ref=redir_mdp_mobile"]H11 Headlight Plug (Connector or Socket) Harness with USA made 16 GAUGE Wires and Moisture Seals:Amazon:Automotive[/ame] Nokya 2500k yellow bulbs [ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001587GVM/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1361211511&sr=8-2&pi=SL75"]9006 Hb4 Nokya 2500k Hyper Yellow Head/fog Light Bulbs:Amazon:Automotive[/ame] As for the little connectors and what not I will take pictures of that later. Also I used a size 20 fuse. Install: So the steering wheel must come off in order to put the stalk on. It has to go over the column and it sits flush with your other stalk. Once you have the wheel removed just unplug the harness from the stalk and remove it. Replace it with the new stalk and plug the harness back in. http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/...B74362EF2F.jpg I don't have pictures at the moment but will take some when I get out of work. We made our own wiring from the pigtails I previously provided. We designated a side and made that "power" and the other "ground". The power is red and the black is ground. Later on you may notice it isn't the case but it was because we ran out of red wire while trouble shooting. Once the harness was made we ran the passenger side above the radiator to the drivers side and then both up the fender to the area where the main harness goes into the vehicle just bellow the hydraulic steering. [IMG]http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh618/tokioflash/1***405F-FD91-4422-AC22-870799D3FDFE-25440-00000E20BE6059A3.jpg[/IMG] http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/...20B958FC04.jpg We also ran a power wire from the battery with an inline fuse following the firewall to the same location as the fog wires. We did this mostly to be safe and while trouble shooting we blew most of my fuses in the beginning. http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/...20B140997F.jpg Once you have the wires inside the vehicle, should be above and to the left of your clutch pedal or dead pedal, you are ready to wire up. http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/...20AB9B5717.jpg Now I suggest taking off that "kick panel" that your trunk release and dimmer switch are to make life easier. So what you are going to be looking for is pin 24 on plug D5. The easiest way to explain this is there are only 2 wires on that row and its the white one. So what we didn't realize was this wire is not a "power" wire. It is only hot when the "ground" is completed. So the best way to do this is connect the two black wires we made earlier (grounds) to each other leaving enough wiring extended to connect to pin 24, the white wire. Once that is done connect the two red together and connect them to the power wire we ran from the battery. It should end up something like this. http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/...B73AD0D0DC.jpg Once it is all wired in you can test it out. At this point I had my steering wheel back on so I didn't get an airbag error. The fog light switch will turn on your fogs no matter what lights you have on if any at all. A cool thing is if you turn the headlights on there is a fog indicator in the gauge cluster that is now enabled because of the module on the stalk itself. http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/...C085CC8C2B.jpg http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/...C088380EA2.jpg Once it all works put it back together and you should be good. Also, if someone with a BRZ or JDM/Euro GT86 can confirm, do y'all's fogs only come on with the headlights or can you turn them on whenever and that indicator still comes on? If I forgot anything, please tell me so I can add it or clear it up! |
Can't say that I understand all this but subscribed in hopes it all becomes clear. I want fog lights and want them powered with the factory stalk. The fog indicator is a great addition.
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Where are you lost? When I add the other pictures it may help.
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I guess I need to understand the wiring harness for fog lights. I don't understand why you would be pulling such heavy gauge wire and power from the battery into the cabin to make this work.
Ideally the fogs and major power for them would stay under the hood. Powered through an appropriate amp rated relay. All you would need from the stalk switch, fog light contacts, is either a ground or small amp 12v to the relay to energize the relay and turn on the fog lamps. |
So I'm guessing if I use a pre-made harness with a relay built in, I can just run the ground from the trigger side of the relay to this pin, and supply a constant 12v to the power side of the trigger?
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Well the factory fogs actually draw a bit of power based off the BRZ wiring diagram we used. It uses a 40A if I'm not mistaken, not sure what it is in volts. Also we ran to the battery with an inline fuse because we had the "power" wires hooked up to pin 24 and not "ground" so we kept blowing fuses. Before we realized it and swapped the "power" and "grounds" around we hooked that up to stop blowing fuses in the fuse box. Once we got it working we left it that way for now. We plan on finding a better solution when we get a chance.
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Also keep in mind I didn't have relay's readily available at the time. We are going to add it when we redo it.
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waiting for more pics
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So now we wait for either someone to use a Prius stalk or someone to figure out how to connect the auto headlight feature on the BRZ stalk... Great work man and I'm sure a lot of people will learn from this!
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I plan on doing the auto lights later when I source the rest of the parts but I may swap the Prius stalk in there to test it out.
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Quick question, at the end you said you ended up connecting the red wires to the wire from the baterry, so there's no need to run it through the firewall correct? Second question, you said the white wire is only hot when the ground is complete, what exactly do you mean by this? Is it more like a remote wire?
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Yeah, you don't need the power coming from the battery. You can pull it from another power source. It was just easier in the situation. It'll be rewired later.
And if I'm not mistaken, yes to your second question. My pop was explaining it but what I understood was the wiring completes the circuit off the ground, not power like a lot of Toyota's. When you turn the fog light switch "on" it grounds the wire and makes it "hot". Sorry if this doesn't make sense. I'm trying to explain it the best way I can. |
Updated the original with a few more pics. Here are also some with the lights.
http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/...20C7F8B539.jpg http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/...20CB98006B.jpg http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/...20D0E2AB42.jpg |
I might be hoping on the fog light train if the Prius stalk fits.
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I had planned on dong front fogs but had planned just an illuminated switch somewhere inside to turn them on. Having the indicator in the instrument panel is now what I want.
After a bit of looking through wiring manual it appears the the switch in the stalk grounds the white wire coming out of the stalk and signals the BCU which probably illuminates the instrument panel indicator. At some point I'll test this and if so I'll just do an internal switch somewhere and tie it to the instrument panel light. http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps828d2b0b.jpg [IMG]http://www.ft86club.com/forums/data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAqgAAAI4CAIAAAA pvIxIAAAgAElEQVR4nO3d/1cUZ57o8fkn7rk/7M5276m9c4Jn9JB1krjJCleHzEUnMqaTEDYSjbZMIEoS0BkNMC RK1hFcICMGc3UUgbiTCNodgxkV244rQpDpLBox2EkQA6YvdtAh OO0XxLo/FDRYfmuh+3m6ut6v8/khCZJ6hKp6U93VzY+mAQAA0/jRU0891R3Fit7+d8vf/X3tp587Pv+GYRiGYYw+63fUWf7u77du2RK5dJ49e/abb77xer3t7e3zb/OjlJSU76LVsWPHrH//4+W/W/fxqR6GYRiGMfrs9nz1z4/8y7x5kS3v+fPne3p6zp49e+rUKXe79+CZ7w97/cH50fz587+PSr29vb/61fzpjz2+9+S5/Wf6GIZhGMbok/Gb31l//A/Hjx+PaED9fn9fX9/58+fPnDlz5OTXjWe+d381Nj+y2Ww/RKU1a9b+44//YesnR11nLzEMwzCM0adi94F//PE//HHr1kgHdGBg4NKlSxcuXDh79mxTx9lG7/efft0fnB+lpqaq0ae9vV2xWNdsrmnx32AYhmEYo8+Bry7MeCIx MzMrEAhEuqE3b968cePGlStX/H5/q7f30Ff9/9V1KTjRGP5AIJCYkJg8P/XTnkHp3yqGYRiGmfxkF/5esVh7e3sFZNR44Xc6HIrFWtfaKf37xDAMwzCTn7rWTsVifb+2 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That's what I was trying to say about the white wire lol!
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Some one draw a quick diagram, I want that light on my cluster lol
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Hey guys... here's the stalk for a Tundra, part number 84140-0C060
http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/s...g/DSCN0323.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/s...g/DSCN0324.jpg http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/s...g/DSCN0326.jpg which I think is a closer match than the Prius stalk, no? I'd be all over this if only the rest of my stuff will arrive already! |
That other part number you posted in the other thread pulls up as a tundra/sequoia stalk too.
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The cheapest I could find the Tundra stalk online was $87.
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It seems the Tundra stalk part number #84140-0C060 has been superseded by this #84140-02670. Which looks like it fits all kinds of Toyotas, from Corollas to the Matrix...
http://www.toyotapartszone.com/oem/t...140-02670.html |
ok first off i didnt know re was an indicator for foglights in the cluster gauge. That is awesome.
so the brz stalk is not recomended to use anymore? i cant wait for the outcome of this. |
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I may have misunderstood, but it seems like you're powering your fogs through the stalk, and not using a relay. This is a bad idea, as the fogs when turned on pull about 10 amps. The switch in the stalk likely isn't made for this much current, so you should install a relay ASAP. For reference: 2 x 60watt bulbs = 120 Watts P = I x V 120 = I x 12 (Car is a 12v system) I = 10 Amps |
i wired my fogs to a seperate switch. i'll wait somebody do the prius or tundra stalk before doing in mine. lol
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Subarupartsforyou.com now has the stalk listed:
http://subarupartsforyou.com/cp_part...p?partid=23294 |
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Well, if that's the only place you have the lights grounded, the power will flow from the battery, through the lights, and through the ground. That completes the circuit. You really shouldn't put that many amps through that small of wire. It should be the same size as the power wire.
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OP, he's correct. You could easily smoke your new stalk.... at minimum. |
Another tidbit from the wiring diagrams. If the wire from pin 30 of Body ECU happens to be found under the hood somewhere.... you won't need to run any wires through the firewall to turn on the fogs.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps6f7eae83.jpg |
And appears the fogs should only come on if the parking/tail lights are on.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps957da26c.jpg |
Op, why didn't you buy a pre-made hardness? It would have made things way easier on you/safer.
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I have been using the comments y'all have been giving me and doing more research into the wiring myself. The wiring is going to change soon to be safer/more reliable. Sorry my first attempt was somewhat of a ghetto one. |
You don't "need" a switch, you can still have the oem look. Instead of using the switch from the harness you would just use the stalk, because that's basically what it is a "switch"
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