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Matador 03-01-2011 07:24 AM

Alfa Romeo 4C
 
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....-4c-live08.jpg

Gorgeous car. Sex personified imo

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The beauty of Alfa Romeo is that it embodies the same sort of Italian flair as Ferrari and Maserati, but in a smaller, more accessible package. Unfortunately, their current range doesn't offer the same level of excitement. (Well, the 8C Competizione did, but then it was hardly any more affordable than its Modenese counterparts.) Enter the Alfa 4C.

Smaller than the 8C it essentially succeeds, the 4C doesn't shed the excitement factor, just concentrates it into a more compact shape. In fact, at less than eight feet long, it doesn't get much more concentrated than this. Or much lighter: carbon fiber and aluminum construction helps keep the weight down to below 850 kilograms (1873 lbs). The 1750cc, direct-injection turbo four from the Giulietta QV mounted amidship drives just over 200 horsepower via Alfa's TCT dual-clutch transmission to the rear wheels for a 0-60 time in the fours; and speed being relative to size, we bet it would be one heck of a ride along the way.

The best part? Alfa is currently evaluating production possibilities for the 4C, which could finally lead the company's long-awaited return to the North American market. That, and the simply awesome matte red paint scheme in which the show car was unveiled here in Geneva.
More pics at the Source [Autoblog]

Wonder what price this could come in at? I'd buy one if it cost around $30-$40k

BoostJunkie 03-01-2011 07:32 AM

The wheels look like giant flowers, the chick looks like my ex wife..... Or could be.... Oh yeah ;)

70NYD 03-01-2011 07:36 AM

DROOOL
i love alfas
i miss good looking alfas :(
8c being the exception ofcourse, whereas the brera while it was awesome little car it was after all a 3 door wagon (civic :p)
lets hope it gives the 86 some competition and drive to make both cars better (hell i might even buy it over the 86 if the price isnt too outrageous)
and DAMN its SEXY (the gurls are 2 :D)

4agze 03-01-2011 10:13 AM

Is it a mid engine? Looks like a lotus exige s but insted of a supercharger its a turbo

Franisco 08-09-2011 06:31 PM

Alfa Romeo 4C
 
Was confirmed this week that Alfa is coming back to the US next year. Ignoring that their relaunch over here is as mobile as the GT5 launch was, the good news is they're bringing the 4C. 1900 lbs, 200+ hp, 6-speed, MR..only problem is the price tag

Laika 08-09-2011 06:50 PM

$60k for a car with a 1.75L engine....

Not to say that Lotus didn't do something similar and I'm definitely not saying that this is slow in any way. I hope it sells well. I have a soft spot for Alfa's....as any automotive enthusiast probably does so I'm still excited.

bofa 08-09-2011 07:01 PM

I don't think it will do well - but we'll see.

Matador 08-09-2011 07:24 PM

Similar price as the Elise/Exige. It will do just fine... if it's not notorious for breaking down.

fatoni 08-09-2011 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1 (Post 53898)
Similar price as the Elise/Exige. It will do just fine... if it's not notorious for breaking down.

the exige and elise arent doing just fine so why would the alfa? in fact, they arent even importing the elise or exige to the states anymore. basically everyone who wants a sub 2k lb car already has one. this is why lotus is changing the whole entire build philosophy. it is going to be a gorgeous car and if the funds permit, i would at least cross chop that to some of my other choices

Marrk 08-14-2011 03:21 PM

Alfa Romeo 4C
 
The Alfa Romeo 4C is featured on the cover of _Car_ magazine (August 2011).

Engine: Turbocharged, direct-injection 1750cc. 232 hp/251 torq.
Vehicle Weight: 850 kg.

It can be done, sports fans. It could even have been done with an N/A engine, if they had set their minds to it.

Ryephile 08-14-2011 03:26 PM

Uh huh, sure. *rolls eyes* I'll believe it when I see it.

It's great that manufacturers can claim anything they want for power and weight of a concept car that almost never back it up. I think the non-stop train of concepts for the FT-86 has now jaded me to the point that I trust no concept car to represent future reality.

Dimman 08-14-2011 03:32 PM

Ahem...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1602

10 threads down, same exact title, not even buried pages deep...

Neutral_Eyes 08-14-2011 03:43 PM

If only it weren't $70k.

Marrk 08-14-2011 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 54551)
Ahem...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1602

10 threads down, same exact title, not even buried pages deep...



Yeah, yeah. :D

torquemada 11-19-2011 04:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LcFhoOtEBo

[u2b]2LcFhoOtEBo[/u2b]

old greg 11-19-2011 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 53903)
they arent even importing the elise or exige to the states anymore.

To be fair, Toyota no longer manufactures the 2ZZ-GE and nothing from the Toyota parts bin can really fill its shoes. You can still buy an Elise in Europe, but they come with a 132 hp 1ZR-FAE (which would be a sales disaster in America). That's the reason why the 2012 Exige has a V6 and weighs ~2400lbs.

fatoni 11-19-2011 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg (Post 77564)
To be fair, Toyota no longer manufactures the 2ZZ-GE and nothing from the Toyota parts bin can really fill its shoes. You can still buy an Elise in Europe, but they come with a 132 hp 1ZR-FAE (which would be a sales disaster in America). That's the reason why the 2012 Exige has a V6 and weighs ~2400lbs.

good points but i think anybody who would ever buy a new elise has already bought one. lotus could source anothoer cool (if not cooler) motor if they wanted but danny bahar is trying to go upscale which means over 300lbs to the elise. that seems stupid to me but even at their prime in the usa they werent selling more than 3k a year and i imagine now the number has dropped dramatically to the 100-300 range.

Neutral_Eyes 11-19-2011 06:08 PM

Unfortunately that's a doctor's car, and not a broke-ass 20-something's car.

old greg 11-19-2011 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 77567)
good points but i think anybody who would ever buy a new elise has already bought one.

People trade in cars for newer models all the time, and cars that get taken to the track are prone to accidents. Beyond that, people get older every year, and young broke college kids eventually turn into successful yuppies/suburbanites with disposable incomes and burgeoning mid-life crises. 'Ever' is a very big word.

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Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 77567)
lotus could source anothoer cool (if not cooler) motor if they wanted

Danny Bahar may be a d-bag, but with Lotus and Toyota being such close partners there really isn't any other engine option for the Elise. Lotus can't exactly go off and beg Honda for a few thousand K20's without screwing up their relationship with Toyota.

fatoni 11-19-2011 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg (Post 77573)
People trade in cars for newer models all the time, and cars that get taken to the track are prone to accidents. Beyond that, people get older every year, and young broke college kids eventually turn into successful yuppies/suburbanites with disposable incomes and burgeoning mid-life crises. 'Ever' is a very big word.



Danny Bahar may be a d-bag, but with Lotus and Toyota being such close partners there really isn't any other engine option for the Elise. Lotus can't exactly go off and beg Honda for a few thousand K20's without screwing up their relationship with Toyota.

again youre right with all that jazz but i just see too many sub 20k mile cars that have been stuck in a garage for under $30k to even think about buying a new one. i just dont think its a sustainable niche for a car in america. once the market shifts to favor a new car again i will reassess my opinions

serialk11r 11-19-2011 06:32 PM

Speaking of Lotus, HOLY CRAP supercharged 2GR in the Exige, that will be one ridiculously fast car.

As far as the 1ZR-FAE goes, I don't see why Lotus didn't try to bump the power up. Their "tuning" gave it like, 4hp? It has 78.5mm stroke, yet is 1 inch taller than the 2ZZ, suggesting the rods are pretty long. They could've at least tried to raise the rev limit. Or just throw in a 2ZR-FAE.

ZetaVI 11-19-2011 06:33 PM

Pretty Car. Hefty Price. I'm not sure it will sell for that price because I'm not even sure of the demand of Alfa's here. I do like Alfa Romeo.

Matador 12-17-2011 08:15 AM

Alfa 4C will go into production
 
and will be priced at 45k GBP

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Imagine your dream car. What might it include? Lightweight carbon-fiber construction, high-tech engine behind the seats, legendary Italian badge on the nose.... The thing is, that usually means a big fat price tag that runs well into the six figures, if not seven. But while this latest Italian sports car is set to include all those ingredients, its price point is set decidedly lower.

We're talking about the Alfa Romeo 4C, the nimble-looking little number that debuted in delicious matte red at the Geneva show last year, and in liquid-metal finish in Frankfurt just a few months ago. Rumors have been circulating of its imminent production ever since its debut, but now the blokes over at Top Gear say that have the final details on good authority.

According to the report, Fiat has crunched the numbers and figured out how it can produce the 4C while neither breaking the bank nor spoiling the formula. And so the supercar is set to begin testing in the new year and hit the market in the next. And the price? £45,000, according to TG, which equates to about $70K at today's exchange rates. To put that into perspective, consider that is the same starting price in the British market as the Porsche Cayman S – a model which starts here at $62K.

The Cayman is an ambitious target, but the 4C promises to be both smaller and lighter. A new direct-injection turbo four will drive 230 horsepower to the rear wheels via a dual-clutch gearbox for a 4.5-second sprint to sixty, but is tipped to yield more powerful versions with as much as 300hp on tap and even a roadster version later on.

That last bit promises to be easier to pull off thanks to the carbon-fiber tub – engineered by Dallara – to which aluminum sub-frames will be attached front and rear. The Italian chassis constructor is best known for its racing cars, but also developed the KTM X-Bow, which could in and of itself give us the best idea of what to expect if and when the 4C assumes the place originally reserved for the 8C Competizione in finally heralding Alfa's return to the North American market.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog..../4c-live09.jpg

griso 12-17-2011 08:55 AM

I think 4C will be only a "dream" for all Alfa's Lovers.....;)
AR is dead years ago.....it doesn't have any sport models in collection...Well I think MiTo and Giulietta are not really sport cars for AR brand..;) Brera and Spider are out of production(even if them were not more sports).

Levi 12-17-2011 09:11 AM

This Alfa does not really interest me. Mid-rear transversal engine is the worst RWD layout (no, I like the NSX, but I like it even more if the engine was straight). And Alfa is known for high revving NA V6's, not small turbocharged I4. If the 4C costs as much as a Cayman, hands down the Cayman gets my vote.

griso 12-17-2011 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Levi (Post 99711)
And Alfa is known for high revving NA V6's

The "Busso",not GM....now AR's engine are 1750 tb..:thumbdown:

70NYD 12-17-2011 09:49 AM

Can't Translate money like that..
Think 86 price in us, uk, jap etc.. Not a straight conversion ;)

ZDan 12-17-2011 12:09 PM

Really looking forward to this. Much needed since Lotus went to the dark (heavy) side...

Hopefully they'll do this one too:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wxtdziSoI_...ta+Concept.jpg
Italian S2000, anyone?!

JDLM 12-17-2011 12:23 PM

Alfa will come back to the states w/ the help of Chrysler since that brand seems to be the test bed ...look at the Dart (using Fiat/Alfa tech) ..I like Alfas a lot

Levi 12-17-2011 06:02 PM

Yes the Alfa Duetto is really good looking and would be an MX-5 rival. It is mid front engine and RWD. Unfortunately it is only a concept and won't see daylight.

fatoni 12-17-2011 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Levi (Post 99711)
This Alfa does not really interest me. Mid-rear transversal engine is the worst RWD layout (no, I like the NSX, but I like it even more if the engine was straight). And Alfa is known for high revving NA V6's, not small turbocharged I4. If the 4C costs as much as a Cayman, hands down the Cayman gets my vote.

what do you have against transverse mr?

Levi 12-18-2011 06:35 AM

transversal mounted engines just feel so wrong and are so much more complecated. When talking about bikes it is another story.

fatoni 12-18-2011 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Levi (Post 100206)
transversal mounted engines just feel so wrong and are so much more complecated. When talking about bikes it is another story.

none of that is any reasonable explanation. if you are going to call something the worst there should be a reason other than "just feel so wrong." what about it makes it so much more complicated?

Levi 02-12-2013 07:16 AM

Official: Alfa Romeo 4C
 
The final version of the Alfa Romeo 4C makes its début at the 83rd International Motor Show in Geneva. This mid-engined rear-wheel drive coupé with two bucket seats represents the true essence of a sports car at the heart of Alfa Romeo's DNA: performance, Italian style and technical excellence, offering maximum driving satisfaction in total safety.

Designed by Alfa Romeo engineers and produced in the Maserati plant in Modena, the new compact supercar will be available for purchase in 2013, marking the return of the Italian brand to the United States and inaugurating Alfa Romeo's global growth plan.

The Alfa Romeo 4C derives directly from the concept which raised many eyebrows in wonder at the Geneva Show in 2011, so much so that it won three prestigious awards: the 'AutoBild Design Award' (2011, Germany), the 'Design Award for Concept Cars & Prototypes' (2012, Italy) and the 'Most Exciting Car of 2013' - 'What Car?' (2013, Great Britain).

Acronym 4C
The acronym '4C' draws its inspiration from the brand's glorious past, projecting the values of technology and emotions into the future. Indeed, it refers to Alfa Romeo's great sporting tradition: the acronyms 8C and 6C in the 1930s and 1940s distinguished cars - both racing and road - fitted with the powerful 'eight cylinders' and the innovative 'six cylinders', confirming in its design layout and construction the goal of achieving the power /weight ratio of an authentic supercar, less than 4 kg/HP, yet focusing not merely on the maximum power delivered, but on limiting the weight to guarantee maximum agility and top performance. To this end, the Alfa Romeo 4C uses technologies and materials derived from super sports cars (including the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione) - carbon fibre, aluminium, rear-wheel drive - and technologies from the latest standard models from Alfa Romeo, but updated to enhance the sports appeal of the new car even further. This is demonstrated by the new 1750 Turbo Petrol all-aluminium engine with direct injection, the sophisticated Alfa TCT twin dry clutch transmission and the Alfa DNA selector with the unprecedented Race mode.

Exterior style
Designed by the Alfa Romeo Style Centre, the 4C immediately brings to mind some of the traditional iconic models which have left a significant mark in the history of the Brand. Above all others, in terms of dimensional and layout similarities, one stands out in particular: the 33 Stradale, a car that combined extreme mechanical and functional requirements with an essential style which 'clothed' the engine and chassis appropriately with unmistakable Alfa Romeo treatments. The 4C has followed suit, and thus completes a journey which was embarked upon with the 8C Competizione, emphasising some particular concepts of the brand, such as compact size, dynamism and agility.

Interior design
The elemental design and essential materials also distinguish the interior, which is all designed and built for maximum driving satisfaction. Specifically, the carbon fibre in the interior immediately stands out, used to make the central cell, which has been left in full view to enhance the sense of uniqueness, of technology and light weight.

Dimensions and aerodynamics
The compact dimensions make this car with 2 bucket seats truly unique amid its competitors: it is just under 4 metres long, 200 cm wide, 118 cm high and with a wheelbase of less than 2.4 metres. These dimensions serve both to emphasise the compact size of the car and to accentuate its agility. What's more, owing to the designers' excellent work, the car achieves maximum aerodynamic efficiency levels, recording a negative Cz (downforce coefficient) which, as in racing cars, contributes towards achieving increased stability at higher speeds.

New 4 cylinder 1750 Turbo Petrol
An evolution of the engine already in use in the Quadrifoglio Verde version of the Giulietta, the new 4 cylinder 1750 Turbo Petrol engine implements an innovative aluminium block and specific intake and exhaust systems which have been optimised to enhance the sports appeal of the car even further. In addition, it boasts cutting-edge technical solutions including direct fuel injection, dual continuous variable valve timing, a turbocharger and a revolutionary scavenging control system that gets rid of any turbo lag.

Alfa TCT automatic transmission
The 1750 Turbo Petrol engine is teamed with the innovative Alfa TCT automatic twin dry clutch transmission, which is a genuine benchmark in its segment due to its low weight and extreme speed of activation. The gears can also be changed in sequential mode using the shift paddles located behind the steering wheel.

The new Alfa DNA selector with Race mode
The Alfa Romeo 4C also sees the début of the new Alfa DNA selector which not only features the three standard settings available until now - Dynamic, Natural and All Weather - but also a fourth mode: Race, designed to enhance the driving experience on a race track even further.

Excellence made in Italy
The very best technical and industrial expertise of the Alfa Romeo and Maserati brands were used to develop the final version of the 4C. Specifically, the teamwork between the two brands was aimed at the integration of the Alfa Romeo design department with the Maserati production plant. In short, this too is a distinguishing trait of Alfa Romeo, a brand with a century of history that continues to be one of the most famous and popular ambassadors of Italian products across the world.

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Alfa Romeo 4C Special Website

srtblake 02-12-2013 08:32 AM

possible dart srt4 motor.

looks decent

dem00n 02-12-2013 09:09 AM

Do want!!

OrbitalEllipses 02-12-2013 09:30 AM

Will buy used after it depreciates horribly and eats itself with typical Italian reliability.

HunterGreene 02-12-2013 09:30 AM

Meh. I like the car but its kinda pointless for us US customers. Get back to me when A-R brings its cars back to the U.S. Otherwise its just a giant c*cktease.

Moshpit37 02-12-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterGreene (Post 729434)
Meh. I like the car but its kinda pointless for us US customers. Get back to me when A-R brings its cars back to the U.S. Otherwise its just a giant c*cktease.

Actually this car is supposed to be coming to the US, which is why this is so noteworthy. Some people believe that the success of the Twins is partially responsible for the new A-R coming here. Should be decent competition if the price is right.
http://jalopnik.com/2014-alfa-romeo-...s-it-140220180

Ricepuddin 02-12-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Moshpit37 (Post 729589)
Actually this car is supposed to be coming to the US, which is why this is so noteworthy. Some people believe that the success of the Twins is partially responsible for the new A-R coming here. Should be decent competition if the price is right.
http://jalopnik.com/2014-alfa-romeo-...s-it-140220180

Depends what you consider "right". I expect this to be on par price wise with the Elise or Exige

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