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TeckniX 12-10-2011 11:15 AM

Video: Ken Gushi Drifts and Reviews the Scion FR-S !
 
Not sure if this has been posted, but figured I'd post the raw footage! Enjoy

In Ken Gushi's words:
Quote:

This footage is from my personal Contour Camera. I had my camera loaded up in the Scion FR-S as I took a few laps around a forest track in Chiba, Japan. I was told not to trash the car so I didn't do anything crazy but here is some raw footage. It is fun to drift!

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MiguelAE86 12-10-2011 11:22 AM

god bless this car.

ft86Fan 12-10-2011 11:28 AM

Didn't see it. Thanks for posting.

TeckniX 12-10-2011 11:31 AM

He pretty much uploaded it today. The high revving sound is actually really nice, and from his comments it seems that the car is a blast to drive!

bambbrose 12-10-2011 11:32 AM

I love this car. I love the shift light in the tach, reminds me of the NSX-R

Sport-Tech 12-10-2011 11:33 AM

Impressvie skills, although the track was mostly wet, making drifting a lot easier - wonder what the car can do in dry conditions... the car's understeer (if there is any) will have more impact then.

ZetaVI 12-10-2011 11:41 AM

I'm glad this was posted up. Thanks.

ft86Fan 12-10-2011 11:47 AM

Did someone in another thread said Ken Gushi can't drive and he misses an apex by 3 feet and not worthy to be the spokesman of this car? Unbelievable. That same person would probably pee in his little under pants if he went along for this ride.

Guff 12-10-2011 11:49 AM

OMG. This is awesome!!

AE 12-10-2011 12:02 PM

Pretty cool.
I want hardcore grip driving on dry now!

NESW20 12-10-2011 12:03 PM

hmm, neat

NB86 12-10-2011 12:06 PM

Wow great find thanks

jonnyozero3 12-10-2011 12:11 PM

Incredible to see how easy it is to control and change the oversteer. At about 4:40 the ass end comes around fast enough I thought he was going to spin, and with just a quick steering input he's driving sideways and the car is cool and composed. Very impressive.

Zaku 12-10-2011 12:12 PM

Thank you So much for posting, this is very awesome, AS much complaints we get about the interior of this car I've quite happy with what I see. Wonder what the other people in the 86 was thinking when they saw Ken took it all out like this :D probably had smiles on their faces XD

TeckniX 12-10-2011 12:21 PM

Gushi is pretty good at what he does - I do like right before the 4:30 mark he flashes his brights to the guy in front of him so he can pass him.
You can tell others are rather enjoying watching him taking it around the track

blur 12-10-2011 12:54 PM

Best video I've seen yet.

I'm pretty much sold.

jdmEGO 12-10-2011 02:20 PM

he make it look so easy to drift..with slight flip of the wrist the rear kick out.... o.o

Longhorn248 12-10-2011 02:39 PM

I think the best reviews that this car could get were the smile and the laughs that he was letting out as he was driving it.

random 12-10-2011 02:47 PM

I particularly like this quote shortly after the 1-minute mark in the video:

"It's not about the horsepower. It's not about the electronics. It's just you and the car."

Everyone's who's so interested in keyless entry, HIDs, LEDs, and other nonsense is totally missing the point and whining about things that are largely meaningless. :)

blur 12-10-2011 02:56 PM

Isn't it a testament of how clear the goal of the project was? After a single drive you "get" it.

Yenadar 12-10-2011 03:05 PM

The cheapest of the "FT-86" concept models, on the lowest grip tires, with a suspension deliberately set up to make it easier to drift, sold with a dealer badge that markets to new drivers...

Does anyone else see this turning out well for FR-S insurance rates?

Don't get me wrong, I love what they've done with the car as a whole, but the FR-s just has a lot of stuff being tweaked in favor of quite a few young driver accidents. And you can't rely on the stability control, since those young drivers are the ones most likely to disable it.


Edit:
I should note for those that might not see my sig, I've got an RX-8 and a Miata, and either the BRZ will replace my Miata or I will just add it as a 3rd car while my Miata goes under the knife for an engine swap. I TOTALLY "get it". It's one of the tag lines for the RX-8 community, generated from this review http://www.speedsportlife.com/2008/0...ght-is-enough/

Take a peek at the last few words of that review :)

RRnold 12-10-2011 03:08 PM

Sums it up!


"I think anybody can have fun with this car...it's not about horsepower and electronics... its just you and the car"

jonnois 12-10-2011 03:10 PM

looks like its lots of fun to drive

PAImportTuner 12-10-2011 03:21 PM

LOL, Try doing that on a hot dry summer day and not a cold wet day. The car will not drift like that. Though I like the vid because it shows the balance of it in general. Also if the car had about 30hp more in stock form it could do that in any weather or conditions.

Zaku 12-10-2011 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yenadar (Post 95216)
The cheapest of the "FT-86" concept models, on the lowest grip tires, with a suspension deliberately set up to make it easier to drift, sold with a dealer badge that markets to new drivers...

Does anyone else see this turning out well for FR-S insurance rates?

Don't get me wrong, I love what they've done with the car as a whole, but the FR-s just has a lot of stuff being tweaked in favor of quite a few young driver accidents. And you can't rely on the stability control, since those young drivers are the ones most likely to disable it.


Edit:
I should note for those that might not see my sig, I've got an RX-8 and a Miata, and either the BRZ will replace my Miata or I will just add it as a 3rd car while my Miata goes under the knife for an engine swap. I TOTALLY "get it". It's one of the tag lines for the RX-8 community, generated from this review http://www.speedsportlife.com/2008/0...ght-is-enough/

Take a peek at the last few words of that review :)


I agree with you whole heatedly on what you posted,

I was looking forward on being 25 and seeing my insurance rate go down, It's such a dramatic change to when I was 18 ! When I was 18 it cost me close to 170$ to Insure my RX7, and $440 to Insure a Porsche Boxster.

Now it's 177$ to Insure a Boxster and about 70$ to Insure an RX7. Someone earlier said it cost them 25$ more to Insure a TC then a Corvette. I sure hope myself and a bunch of others don't have to pay so much for the FRS.


and I'm sorry but I don't understand what the link and the last few words mean.....

Z_Rocks 12-10-2011 03:27 PM

Excellent skills, but for dry track you need a lot more power to spin the tiers to get that effect. I saw a TT 350Z once that was drifting as if he was on ice. The whole time the rear tire was spinning like 6000 RPM.

WingsofWar 12-10-2011 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner (Post 95222)
LOL, Try doing that on a hot dry summer day and not a cold wet day. The car will not drift like that. Though I like the vid because it shows the balance of it in general. Also if the car had about 30hp more in stock form it could do that in any weather or conditions.

yeah, i remember when i started to toss around my s14 for the first time in the summer of '03. I could not for the life of me break traction, granted the car only had like 140whp. It was dry and the tires were just gripping the road to much at low speeds even when i was at powerband lock to lock. In the rain though, that car wanted to slide everywhere, and it didnt take much to toss it.

So this video is kinda cheating being driven by a seasoned drifter in the rain.

But even so...that car control is reallly nice...Subaru and Toyota did a great job on that chassy.

Yenadar 12-10-2011 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaku (Post 95223)
and I'm sorry but I don't understand what the link and the last few words mean.....

I was adding that on in response to this from Blur:

Quote:

Originally Posted by blur (Post 95213)
Isn't it a testament of how clear the goal of the project was? After a single drive you "get" it.


The last paragraph of that RX-8 review is:
Quote:

If the purity of its driving experience, its flashy suit and its sensible, livable day-to-day demeanor all seem at odds with each other, that’s fine too – because it works. The RX-8 is a consistently polarizing figure in the world of enthusiast cars, and as a driver, you either get it or you don’t.

I get it.


:)

I'm just constantly smiling at how similar the BRZ/FR-S/GT86 reviews are to the RX-8's. Same comments in pretty much the same tone. I'm glad another manufacturer rejected the power game to produce a car that is so fun to drive. ACTUALLY fun, not just "hey! you get mp3 and bluetooth! That's FUN!" :thumbdown:

Zaku 12-10-2011 03:34 PM

Hmm too bad it wasn't Sunny in Japan Tokyo area where they tested, it was because it was rainy the entire week near TMS. Otherwise we'll have all the reviews in Sunny Dry conditions. Now to wait for the on the city roads review.


oh and Sorry about that XD

Re_Invention 12-10-2011 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longhorn248 (Post 95206)
I think the best reviews that this car could get were the smile and the laughs that he was letting out as he was driving it.

:thumbsup: Me too. If it can make me laugh, it's the right car for me.

virobloc 12-10-2011 03:56 PM

Does anyone know what the yellow light flashing in the dash is? It can be seen at 1:45 and many other ocassions.

I would say it is the ESP, but the car is drifting so it is supposed to be disconnected, isn't it?

Could it be the ESP in its intermediate stage? The ABS? :iono:

Lordharding 12-10-2011 03:57 PM

Fantastic car
I dont need a test drive for what I've read and seen on this great forum
Bring it in

TylerLieberman 12-10-2011 04:00 PM

This car will drift stock under normal, dry conditions. 200hp on a 2700lb vehicle is ample to break loose. You just have to know what youre doing. Drifting itself is easy. its when you start adding in other factors....ie tandem runs along side another vehicle, changing and extending your line etc. where you have to be on top of things and know what the hell youre doing.

Kids Heart 12-10-2011 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ft86Fan (Post 95136)
Did someone in another thread said Ken Gushi can't drive and he misses an apex by 3 feet and not worthy to be the spokesman of this car? Unbelievable. That same person would probably pee in his little under pants if he went along for this ride.

Lets get this straight. Gushi is a damn good driver and drifter but is not the best America has to offer. My point is there are other drivers that don't have a ride for the 2012 season that have more accomplishments than Gushi.

goopi 12-10-2011 04:11 PM

So quiet in the cabin.

TylerLieberman 12-10-2011 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kids Heart (Post 95248)
Lets get this straight. Gushi is a damn good driver and drifter but is not the best America has to offer. My point is there are other drivers that don't have a ride for the 2012 season that have more accomplishments than Gushi.

^this. Cant tell you how many times ive seen him put a mustang or scion tc into a wall or something during formula d.

Hes not bad but when it comes to professional driving, not much accomplished. They need to put immamura or kazama behind the wheel and let them go at it. They put every fd driver to shame!!!

NikostC 12-10-2011 04:35 PM

Very cool video. Now im sold on this car XD

WingsofWar 12-10-2011 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 95258)
^this. Cant tell you how many times ive seen him put a mustang or scion tc into a wall or something during formula d.

Hes not bad but when it comes to professional driving, not much accomplished. They need to put immamura or kazama behind the wheel and let them go at it. They put every fd driver to shame!!!


your post reminded me of this video

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switchlanez 12-10-2011 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yenadar (Post 95216)
The cheapest of the "FT-86" concept models, on the lowest grip tires, with a suspension deliberately set up to make it easier to drift, sold with a dealer badge that markets to new drivers...

Does anyone else see this turning out well for FR-S insurance rates?

Don't get me wrong, I love what they've done with the car as a whole, but the FR-s just has a lot of stuff being tweaked in favor of quite a few young driver accidents. And you can't rely on the stability control, since those young drivers are the ones most likely to disable it.

Most original owners of this car won't be first time drivers. They can't afford it. But your point brings up what I see as the big picture...

In the 70's/80's, Japanese drivers messed with their little cars, crashed, improved, and developed a culture. In Europe, it was the roadster. These cultures were subtly implanted into US soil in the form of the AE86 and Miata but never gained momentum over automatic, obese, straight line speed cars.

European and Japanese markets have more entry level enthusiast cars to choose from. I know from always having to d/l or stream their better TV programs about cars. We lack that purist appreciation.

Toyota/Subaru aren't subtly planting a seed this time around; they're blatantly shoving it in our faces putting in a lot of upfront cost to get a revolution going. Insurance premiums are a cost/growing pain we might have to bear as we adapt to be better drivers and, hopefully, a country of enthusiasts with more sports cars to choose from.

Kids Heart 12-10-2011 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 95258)
^this. Cant tell you how many times ive seen him put a mustang or scion tc into a wall or something during formula d.

Hes not bad but when it comes to professional driving, not much accomplished. They need to put immamura or kazama behind the wheel and let them go at it. They put every fd driver to shame!!!

Not to mention Ken Gushi is a known brake checker.

If we want a top ae86 driver I'll Take Yoshioka or Ueo any day. Yoshioka is actually the only AE86 to take a Formula D win and he speaks good english. I'd rather him with Scion than in a Enjuku v8 240sx.


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