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Pure Automotive 02-01-2013 08:43 PM

The Results Are In!! Full Blown Stage 1 Kit @ Pure Automotive Performance!
 
Just got done on the dyno! These results are on a DynoJet In Ground Dyno with STD Correction Factor.


8 PSI With 93 Octane Pump Gas
310.20 HP
239.28 TQ

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/zW7et8z98xE?rel=0

Pics:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1359784363

http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/...ps998616e5.png

http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/...ps79f2b2b7.jpg

http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7d750ea.jpg

Big Thanks to LJ and Everyone @ Full Blown Motorsports- Great Product, Great Support!
Big Thanks to the owner of this beauty: Russel Contreras (TypeRSpec789)!


Who's Next???

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Tansey86 02-01-2013 08:46 PM

Sounds soooo badass

FullBlown 02-01-2013 08:49 PM

Awesome job guys!!

evo4g63 02-01-2013 08:51 PM

I need!

kanundrum 02-01-2013 08:56 PM

Ftw

sw20kosh 02-01-2013 08:56 PM

Wow. Fantastic! What psi is this? 8.5 psi? :thumbup:

whitefrs 02-01-2013 08:58 PM

Love the HP but hate the TQ numbers
Any drivetrain upgrades?

Sportsguy83 02-01-2013 08:59 PM

AWESOME!!!

Draco_PR23 02-01-2013 09:00 PM

I'm really considering this kit

Jedi1 02-01-2013 09:05 PM

An almost 80 ft lb jump over stock and you hate that number? This is just 8 lbs. of boost. I think that number is complete insanity and I mean that in the best way possible!

Tansey86 02-01-2013 09:16 PM

This displacement engine isnt going to give you tq close to hp when you are dealing with numbers this high. At 230hp you might be able to squeeze out 200tq but the higher hp you go the less tq youll make in relation. At 521rwhp they only made 400tq. If you need 450hp and 450tq you might wanna buy the new vette.

whitefrs 02-01-2013 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tansey86 (Post 705916)
This displacement engine isnt going to give you tq close to hp when you are dealing with numbers this high. At 230hp you might be able to squeeze out 200tq but the higher hp you go the less tq youll make in relation. At 521rwhp they only made 400tq. If you need 450hp and 450tq you might wanna buy the new vette.

True

Cant wait to turbo my car but i dont wanna blow my engine lol

Tansey86 02-01-2013 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitefrs (Post 705918)
True

Cant wait to turbo my car but i dont wanna blow my engine lol

Haha well you gotta risk it sometimes, but these engines seem pretty stout. I doubt at 300hp youll have any problems engine wise as long as the tune is good. We have a lot of good tuners on LI.

evo4g63 02-01-2013 09:21 PM

I am stuck on this kit or the vortech.

mact 02-01-2013 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tansey86 (Post 705916)
This displacement engine isnt going to give you tq close to hp when you are dealing with numbers this high. At 230hp you might be able to squeeze out 200tq but the higher hp you go the less tq youll make in relation. At 521rwhp they only made 400tq. If you need 450hp and 450tq you might wanna buy the new vette.


It doesn't have much to do with the displacement. The VW GTI 2.0 liter turbo 4 makes 200hp and 207 lb-ft of torque from the factory. That motor can produce monster torque levels because of its lower compression and ability to run a lot more boost than we can.

sw20kosh 02-01-2013 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mact (Post 705950)
It doesn't have much to do with the displacement. The VW GTI 2.0 liter turbo 4 makes 200hp and 207 lb-ft of torque from the factory. That motor can produce monster torque levels because of its lower compression and ability to run a lot more boost than we can.

Wrong. It has nothing to do with boost levels. You can run 30 psi in this motor and you would still see higher HP relative to TQ.

Because HP is derived from TQ x rpm, it has to do with where the torque is made.

Torque generated and maintained to a high red line will produce very high hp numbers.

Torque generated in the lower rpms whilst plummeting in the higher rpms (or if the engine doesn't rev high) will produce high torque numbers relative to hp numbers.

Look at this: 400 HP vs TQ in the two hundreds. Pay attention to where TQ and HP always intersect, the flat TQ curve, and the high red line.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u.../vt1-445-1.jpg

On the flip side look at this. Look at the TQ curve and the low redline.

http://www.dragtimes.com/images_dyno...SRT-4-Dyno.jpg

whitefrs 02-01-2013 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tansey86 (Post 705921)
Haha well you gotta risk it sometimes, but these engines seem pretty stout. I doubt at 300hp youll have any problems engine wise as long as the tune is good. We have a lot of good tuners on LI.

R u goin with this kit?

Tansey86 02-01-2013 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitefrs (Post 706010)
R u goin with this kit?

When it comes down to it, most likely. Unless JDL can change my mind.

Coheed 02-01-2013 10:17 PM

Great power from that kit!

I like the lower torque numbers myself. It means the car will feel more progressive, won't require a crazy clutch, and is generally easier on the drivetrain. Big torque just breaks things.

SilverSkyline210 02-01-2013 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 705980)
Wrong. It has nothing to do with boost levels. You can run 30 psi in this motor and you would still see higher HP relative to TQ.

Because HP is derived from TQ x rpm, it has to do with where the torque is made.

Torque generated and maintained to a high red line will produce very high hp numbers.

Torque generated in the lower rpms whilst plummeting in the higher rpms (or if the engine doesn't rev high) will produce high torque numbers relative to hp numbers.

Exactly, another example is Crawford which currently has 400hp/475tq on their BRZ with tq peaking around 4700rpm and tapering off from there, heres one of their old dyno graphs

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...84738292_o.jpg

mact 02-01-2013 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverSkyline210 (Post 706039)
400hp/475tq on their BRZ


This was the point I was getting at. Crawford's car has a lower CR and running probably over 20psi.

Pure Automotive 02-01-2013 10:57 PM

Anyone who's interested let me know! These are selling as fast as they can make them! I'm very impressed with how it turned out!

whitefrs 02-01-2013 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pure Automotive (Post 706120)
Anyone who's interested let me know! These are selling as fast as they can make them! I'm very impressed with how it turned out!

Do you sell them?

dabocx 02-01-2013 11:18 PM

Awesome! Going boost after I get some wider rubber.

Any chance you have a stock dyno to overlay?

Sportsguy83 02-01-2013 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitefrs (Post 706133)
Do you sell them?

From the original post on this install:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pure Automotive (Post 685102)
First Turbo FRS in Maryland is complete @ Pure Automotive Performance!

This car belongs to @TyperRspec789!


We are a Full Blown Dealer, PM for pricing!


AZFA20 02-02-2013 12:06 AM

So many good options to choose from. This makes it that much harder but truthfully I'm a boost junkie so if I could own em all I would haha

mashal 02-02-2013 12:30 AM

People turn down your volume before playing the video.

Bmore_Raven86 02-02-2013 12:57 AM

impressive! nice job bro!

TyperRspec789 02-02-2013 02:06 AM

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Drift-Office 02-02-2013 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pure Automotive (Post 705816)
[SIZE=5]Just got done on the dyno! These results are on a DynoJet In Ground Dyno with SAE Correction Factor.

8 PSI With 93 Octane Pump Gas
310.20 HP
239.28 TQ

Pics:

http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/...ps30eeaf4f.jpg




Awesome! Could we please get an actual JPG of the dyno sheet with the boost curve to see how well that turbo and setup holds boost? Also, I noted that your dyno sheet in the pic shows "STD" correction instead of SAE.

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

Pure Automotive 02-02-2013 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drift-Office (Post 706451)
Awesome! Could we please get an actual JPG of the dyno sheet with the boost curve to see how well that turbo and setup holds boost? Also, I noted that your dyno sheet in the pic shows "STD" correction instead of SAE.

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

Fixed my typo, I saw it last night but forgot to change it.
The customer has the jpeg on his memory stick, I'll get him to post that.
Thanks!

OrbitalEllipses 02-02-2013 12:19 PM

The picture says STD anyway.

Pure Automotive 02-02-2013 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drift-Office (Post 706451)
Awesome! Could we please get an actual JPG of the dyno sheet with the boost curve to see how well that turbo and setup holds boost? Also, I noted that your dyno sheet in the pic shows "STD" correction instead of SAE.

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1359784363

campy 02-02-2013 05:00 PM

What's the difference between STD and SAE correction factors? Dyno noob here lol

Supermassive 02-02-2013 05:08 PM

Not much actually I was messing with my dyno run data and the difference is on mine which posted 254.9HP and 207.6tq on SAE read 260.9HP and 211.tq on STD.

Pure Automotive 02-02-2013 05:33 PM

SAE and STD are 2 different ways of correcting a dyno reading based on ambient conditions. When you dyno a car you can choose Uncorrected, SAE, and STD. You also can choose a smoothing factor to make the graph a smoother curve. Uncorrected is going to read highest. I've read a lot of arguments about SAE vs STD numbers over the years, there is a thread about this in practically every enthusiast forum in existence. The 2 Correction settings have different assumed ambient conditions along with some high end math equations that give your car a hp/tq reading. The differences are a few percent at most in most situations. The dyno we used does not belong to Pure Automotive Performance, we rent from a friend at a neighboring shop. It is a dyno jet, which if you read on dyno jet's website, can not be manipulated to change numbers like a Mustang or Dyno Dynamics can be. Dyno jet guarunteesthat your numbers with the same correction factor and smoothing should be within .5 hp from dyno jet to dyno jet in identical conditions. I did not even pay attention to whether or not we were using SAE or STD. Why? Because a dyno is a tuning tool to see how a car is performing in order to make sure it is set up safely and runs properly. Dyno numbers were not our focus. Did we have hopes and expectations? Of course. Did we break any records? Not that I know of. Did we make our goal of 300hp. Yessir!

sw20kosh 02-02-2013 07:51 PM

Is this the tune that ships with the car or did a tuner play around with it? In your opinion is this tuned on the bleeding edge? Or will this tune run on 91 octane safely.

FullBlown 02-02-2013 07:57 PM

We will provide any basemap we have free of charge. This is a basemap that we provided. We always recommend to get on a Dyno and verify everything.

Pure Automotive 02-02-2013 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 707509)
Is this the tune that ships with the car or did a tuner play around with it? In your opinion is this tuned on the bleeding edge? Or will this tune run on 91 octane safely.

Far from the edge, it is still modest AFR

TyperRspec789 02-02-2013 10:06 PM

I took a few people for a ride at a local meet this morning- this includes @OrbitalEllipses and @RedAlert. I wish I could have Orbital post his reactions, and I believe RedAlert will be the next guy in MD to have the Full Blown kit (now that he's experienced it firsthand).

Did some 75-125mph bursts and it takes no time and effort to accelerate at those speeds.. It's an animal. I am a 100% satisfied customer and highly recommend both Full Blown and @Pure Automotive as vendors. In addition, I highly recommend Pure Automotive (Brady) to do your install. He now is acquainted with the install process of this kit (which wasn't exactly a honeymoon experience) and he's especially thorough (he has done ~50 turbo kit installs).


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