Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB

Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/index.php)
-   Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Autoguide gushes on Scion FR-S (w/ track drift video). Says destined to become icon. (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2787)

ZetaVI 12-09-2011 01:29 PM

Autoguide gushes on Scion FR-S (w/ track drift video). Says destined to become icon.
 
18 Attachment(s)
[u2b]8IFFSytA38o[/u2b]


Review
http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...ideo-1809.html

2013 Scion FR-S Review [Video]

The best Toyota in 20 years is actually a Scion

By Colum Wood, Dec. 09, 2011, Photography by Scion, Video by Chris Blanchette

Squeeze on the throttle at corner exit and the car begins to track out, with just a hint of oversteer. Get greedy and the tail will gently start to rotate. Ease off and the car tucks back in line. It does what you tell it to, no more, no less. The Scion FR-S is a return to the roots of what makes a sports car a sports car.

It’s not the raw driving machine many may expect. Its not visceral like a Lotus Elise or as singular in purpose as a Honda S2000, and it won’t beat you up. In fact, it’s quite civilized. It is, however, very much a purist’s car and one that company CEO Akio Toyoda aptly remarked, “rewards proper driving technique.”

A better description of the FR-S, or Toyota 86 as its called in Japan, there isn’t. The antithesis of modern sports cars, Toyota set out to create it as such, purposefully avoiding AWD, turbos, excessive technology and even high grip tires.

Instead, the basic front-engine rear-drive layout, combined with a low center of gravity (due to its flat-4 boxer engine), a limited slip differential and an overall curb weight that comes in around 2,700 lbs are the tools at the disposal of the driver. This can be humbling, but it also makes the FR-S a car where you can’t show up and fake-it at a lapping day. Flaws in your technique will show through immediately and the FR-S challenges you to be a better driver.

Like the Mazda MX-5 Miata, a car the FR-S will be compared to ad nauseum, it’s a momentum car, meaning that with just 200-hp on tap, if you’re going to be fast around a race track, you’ll need to keep your speed up. That’s not as hard as it seems, especially when acceleration feels much more rapid than expected considering the engine output. Even torque feels surprisingly potent, despite just 151 lb-ft of the stuff at a lofty 6600 rpm – suggesting a solid torque curve.

Back to the handling, the FR-S has exceptional steering, although with such a short 101.3-inch wheelbase it responds quickly to inputs, meaning you have to be smooth. After just one corner there is no denying this is a rear-drive car.

A DRIVER’S CAR, FROM THE FIRST DETAIL TO THE LAST

Much in the same way that the car’s layout has been set up for optimum performance, from the driver’s seat, the tools required are also all there. The steering wheel is thick but also incredibly tiny making every input count. At just 365mm, Toyota claims it’s the smallest they’ve ever put in a production car – at least in recent history. The shifter is quite long, although the shifts are incredibly short, with the distance between first and second gear about three inches. It even feels good, weighted perhaps a bit lighter than a MX-5, but with a fluid every-day ease of use much like a Civic Si. Add to this the fact that the pedals are perfectly placed for proper heel-toe downshifts and you’ll find yourself repeating the words “this is a Toyota product?”

That is perhaps a bit generous, as even Toyota will admit that while the concept behind the car is theirs, execution was primarily handled by Subaru – an automaker that one doesn’t have to pull out a history book in order to recall their last awesome performance machine.

Other notable interior features are the seats, which are excellently bolstered, not just on the sides, but at the shoulders as well, and coated in a grippy material to keep you in place.

Located right in front of the shifter are two buttons, one for a sport mode, the other to turn traction and stability control right off. The sport setting is properly unintrusive, letting you even hang the end out a little. Off, by all accounts, is full-off, with no intervention when late in the day rain soaked the course and our test session transformed journalists into amateur drifters.

EVEN THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION IS AMAZING

Sadly, while an enthusiast’s machine and equipped with a 6-speed manual from the factory, offering an automatic transmission is a necessity to make the FR-S a viable business case. As a sign of Toyota’s commitment to the car, when developing an automatic the engineers didn’t just phone it in. Instead they developed a six-speed unit based off the 8-speed automatic in the Lexus IS-F. With a proper steering wheel mounted paddle shifter setup it’s shockingly good. When pressed, the car’s chief engineer Tetsuya Tada wouldn’t give any data on shift times but did say they targeted VW’s DSG dual-clutch system. By all accounts, it’s close, and easily matches the best auto-boxes in the business.

LOWEST CENTER OF GRAVITY OF ANY PRODUTION CAR?

Much has been said about the car’s center of gravity, with reports even attributing Toyota engineers as claiming the car will have the lowest CoG of any production car. That, Tata san admits, is not the case, though for a good reason. In data provided by Toyota, they admitted that both the Porsche GT3 and Ferrari 360, not to mention the Lexus LFA, have a lower weight balance. Those super sports cars had a serious advantage, however, says Tata san with a ground clearance of roughly 110 mm. The FR-S, on the other hand, stands 130 mm off the ground (almost an inch higher), putting it as a serious disadvantage. Could it be lower? Certainly, but Toyota and Scion need it to be a mass production vehicle with all the daily-use needs that that entails.

Those who want a lowered FR-S won’t have to wait long. In fact, they won’t even have to wait for the aftermarket to develop the products, as at launch Scion will offer a selection of parts, including lowering springs and sway bars.

BACK ON TRACK

Initial tests of two right-hand drive models proved pleasing but left us without the wow factor the car’s hype suggested. Those models did, however, give us a chance to get familiar with the track and once behind the wheel of the lone left-hand drive U.S.-spec Scion FR-S turn one hit us like an epiphany. Comfortable enough to actually push the machine, it rewarded; the steering, balance and low center of gravity transforming jaded auto journalist skepticism into the realization that the man in charge at Toyota really does get it.

“Yes,” you’ll scream aloud to yourself inside your racing helmet. “This is it! This is what I’ve been looking for!”

As any proper rear-drive sports car should, the FR-S can be rotated with the throttle. Pinch a corner and induce understeer and a correction is as easy as a dab of gas to point you in the right direction again.

Brake fade was nonexistent during out five lap sessions, though much longer would surely show some wear. The car’s light weight most certainly has something to do with the longevity of the pads.

For all the praise we’ve heaped on it, the FR-S could use more of one thing – grip. The factory tires aren’t high-performance pieces, something Toyota did on purpose, both to keep true to the spirit of the machine, and keep the price tag down. With a set of aftermarket wheels a necessity for many buyers, some UHP tires should be included. Scion will likely offer those at the dealer as well.

Adding to the car’s functionality is a rear hatchback and fold flat second row seats, which Scion claims leaves enough space to fit a spare set of tires when heading to the track.

If the FR-S is missing anything else, it’s some added aggression, with a subtle aero kit and spoiler high on our list of add-ons. Many will likely say the FR-S needs more power and while more wouldn’t hurt, those folks (the same ones who have probably never driven on a track) are missing the point.

THE VERDICT

The Scion FR-S is a special machine. It’s unique because it’s the world’s only direct-injection flat-four rear-drive sports car, but the reasons go well beyond the facts, to the level of driving enjoyment it delivers.

If there’s any way the FR-S isn’t what we expected it’s in its civility. And to be truthful, any such reputation it has as a rough-around-the-edges track warrior is one the automotive media, and not Toyota (Scion), has created. Rather, it’s comfortable, functional and refined in a way that perhaps only a Toyota can be. Add to this what is expected to be surprisingly good fuel economy and a price well below the $30,000 mark and the car’s appeal is vast.

As Akio Toyoda mentioned, the FR-S rewards a good driver, and is perhaps the best tool we can think of to develop and improve your performance driving skills; or just have a lot of fun regardless of your talent or ambition. Add to that the fact that its light weight and small size mean tires and brakes won’t wear too hard and replacement items won’t cost a fortune and the FR-S is destined to become the track weapon of choice for leagues of driving enthusiasts.

Sometimes it’s hard to know when a car will become an icon. Sometimes it’s not.


Attachment 3464

Attachment 3465

Attachment 3466

Attachment 3467

Attachment 3468

Attachment 3469

Attachment 3470

Attachment 3471

Attachment 3472

Attachment 3473

Attachment 3474

Attachment 3475

Attachment 3476

Attachment 3477

Attachment 3478

Attachment 3479

Attachment 3480

Attachment 3481

trueno86power 12-09-2011 01:32 PM

Fawk. The last drift pass is crazy. Damn I want this car.

poormans_LFA 12-09-2011 01:36 PM

beat me to punch man. glad i checked in.

Chupacabra 12-09-2011 01:37 PM

Holy crap...There really isn't a bad color for this car.

Zaku 12-09-2011 01:45 PM

Subaru colors are best ? Lol thanks for the post, glad to see the vid.

DIG1992 12-09-2011 01:48 PM

looks like we might get the stereoless option


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1323452896

Zaku 12-09-2011 02:01 PM

I sure hope they don't get the Porsche bug, and do the "we charge you more for less" like thier Boxer spider. They should of debut in silver looks nicer then red or its just we all got bad footage of the red car looks great in Silver.

Ikaros 12-09-2011 02:10 PM

You know what guys? Without the fugly stereo they put into the FR-S at the launch party, the centre dash doesn't look too bad. It's still not as cool as the one in the 86, but the set up in this silver one is quite pleasing, and I wouldn't mind it.

EDIT: Oh I also forgot to mention the flat white tachometer is way way way better than what ever was at the launch party.

tranzformer 12-09-2011 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaku (Post 94483)
Subaru colors are best ? Lol thanks for the post, glad to see the vid.

Yes for Subaru colors!

Great video too. Wish it was only longer in length.

WingsofWar 12-09-2011 02:11 PM

Very nice! i think Scion buyers will be very pleased with this purchase.

Chupacabra 12-09-2011 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 94501)
Wish it was only longer in length.


Tee-hee!

Hachiroku 12-09-2011 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikaros (Post 94500)
You know what guys? Without the fugly stereo they put intot he FR-S at the launch part the centre dash doesn't look too bad. It's still not as cool as the one in the 86, but the set up in this silver one is quite pleasing, and I wouldn't mind it.

Totally agree!

old greg 12-09-2011 02:15 PM

Hmm... White tach again, and this time with mph on the speedo.

blur 12-09-2011 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZetaVI (Post 94470)
Adding to the car’s functionality is a rear hatchback

You're joking right?

poormans_LFA 12-09-2011 02:18 PM

great review. they really designed this car in every aspect for the enthusiasts with wallets on a diet- like me. the article mentioned that Scion will have a host of aftermarket parts ready to go at lunch, so that should make customization pretty easy and affordable (i hope). as far as the head unit goes, yeh it's a little rough on the eyes, but that's easily fixed. aside from that i really hope we get the cover that slides over the head unit to keep the dash looking flush when not using the radio.

Mari0 12-09-2011 02:22 PM

Awesome :party0030:

Zaku 12-09-2011 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blur (Post 94509)
You're joking right?

Wait what about a hatch don't play and get our hopes up @@

Sorry I meant to quote zetavi

iDriveFast 12-09-2011 02:24 PM

Loving it!

Sport-Tech 12-09-2011 02:25 PM

What's the circular cutout on the right front bumper for - tow hook?

Aki 12-09-2011 02:29 PM

Such a beautiful car (I think silver's my fav now). It's everything that modern sports cars aren't, and that's awesome.

mkxr 12-09-2011 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S (Post 94525)
What's the circular cutout on the right front bumper for - tow hook?

I'm pretty sure it's for the high intesnsity fog light in Europe. Most world-wide cars have the cutouts, but in the US they just cover it with a a piece of plastic.

mkivalex 12-09-2011 02:38 PM

that car can drift VERY well in stock form.

mkxr 12-09-2011 02:39 PM

And to add my 2 cents. Love the seats, could get away without the red patch trim. Love the red stitching, looks like a very nice and grippy steering wheel. Love the lack of stereo, hoping it remains that way for the entry level at least. Still hoping for 16in alloys on the entry level.

Now I'm curious what are the two handles for by the seat. One adjusts the tilt of the back, and the other....?

Franzo 12-09-2011 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DIG1992 (Post 94484)
looks like we might get the stereoless option


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1323452896

I know that some past scion models have had large plastic covers for the radio, that could be what we are seeing in that picture

Dave-ROR 12-09-2011 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkxr (Post 94535)
I'm pretty sure it's for the high intesnsity fog light in Europe. Most world-wide cars have the cutouts, but in the US they just cover it with a a piece of plastic.

It's 100% for the factory tow hook. Pop off the cover and screw in the hook. Should only be used for flat tows for most manufacturers, not to tow the car onto a flat bed (I remember a lot of S2000 guys finding this out be experience when the hook ripped out instead of finding it out by reading the manual)

Mari0 12-09-2011 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franzo (Post 94543)
I know that some past scion models have had large plastic covers for the radio, that could be what we are seeing in that picture

Nope. this is just a cover so you don't see the empty hole behind it, not a cover/door thingy (like the older gen tC). It's in the JDM version as well. The real question is, will we get that as option for the FR-S

mkxr 12-09-2011 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 94550)
It's 100% for the factory tow hook. Pop off the cover and screw in the hook. Should only be used for flat tows for most manufacturers, not to tow the car onto a flat bed (I remember a lot of S2000 guys finding this out be experience when the hook ripped out instead of finding it out by reading the manual)

Lol, well, shows what I know. :bonk:

TRD_07 12-09-2011 02:49 PM

Omg, that presentation video of the FR-S just hit the spot. It looks real sharp in the silver and I love that interior. Thanks for the pics and footage!:eyebulge:

nixeighty6 12-09-2011 02:53 PM

i think this is the first vid i've seen that shows how good the car is.. it does a great job at showing the control the driver has and the speed and stability of the car. I can't Fing wait!!

now wheres the videos of Keiichi Tsuchiya!?!?

DuMa 12-09-2011 02:58 PM

epic music and sound bytes in the video. EPIC

bambbrose 12-09-2011 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nixeighty6 (Post 94567)
i think this is the first vid i've seen that shows how good the car is.. it does a great job at showing the control the driver has and the speed and stability of the car. I can't Fing wait!!

now wheres the videos of Keiichi Tsuchiya!?!?


They are out there somewhere

http://www.baminjection.com/photos/4.jpg

Zaku 12-09-2011 03:02 PM

Wasn't there a Video in the Media section of the forums posted by PAImp that had DK in it. Go check it.

ydooby 12-09-2011 03:05 PM

Love the review love the video LOVE the drift action!! Thanks for sharing.

NorCalRider 12-09-2011 03:10 PM

Loving it!

goldenfri 12-09-2011 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 94550)
It's 100% for the factory tow hook. Pop off the cover and screw in the hook. Should only be used for flat tows for most manufacturers, not to tow the car onto a flat bed (I remember a lot of S2000 guys finding this out be experience when the hook ripped out instead of finding it out by reading the manual)

I agree, definitely tow hook.

keiri 12-09-2011 03:18 PM

Lovely. I'm pretty set on Red but the silver color is really nice too...

bigbcraig 12-09-2011 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 94501)
Yes for Subaru colors!

Great video too. Wish it was only longer in length.

There are several coupes on the market today that are longer...

KidWonder 12-09-2011 03:34 PM

So even with a silver car.....the interior will be red? I don't care cause it lookssm awesome !!

bambbrose 12-09-2011 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KidWonder (Post 94617)
So even with a silver car.....the interior will be red? I don't care cause it lookssm awesome !!


That is one of my biggest concerns right now.

I want Orange, but certainly not with red.

I want orange on pure black, but I haven't seen a toyota or fr-s with pure black interior.

goldenfri 12-09-2011 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bambbrose (Post 94618)
That is one of my biggest concerns right now.

I want Orange, but certainly not with red.

I want orange on pure black, but I haven't seen a toyota or fr-s with pure black interior.

Yea I can't stand red accents personally. I think those seats look terrible with the red on there. I don't even like the red stitching all over the place either.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:48 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2026 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.


Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.