I knew the stupid auto windows would bite me.
 

The day I first saw the retarded dipsy-doodle window thing when you open and close the door, I knew it was going to f-up and bite me.

Sure enough it ends up being one of the many documented bugs this car has; the window defaults to a lowered position when it gets cold. Not enough so that it is obvious, but enough so that water and snow can get in. Brillant piece of design engineering. Simple to re-program, but all it is going to take is missing it once.

Well, I have since done the re-program the windows gig several times since the fix was suggested, but I missed it this one time.

This is what happens..http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/...t/DSC05380.jpghttp://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/...t/DSC05382.jpg


Is this car ever going to stop going from one minor annoyance to the next? Other than the handling, it is turning out to be one spectacular piece of crap.

why didn't you brush off the snow before you try to open the door?

Good thing you have weather mats.

Argento ate6

Yeah, that could've saved a little headache.

I hope you had some flavoured syrup in the car for snow cones on the way to work!

I don't think that is from not brushing it off before he opened it. I think it stayed lowered and snow accumulated inside.

You guys don't get it, the little routine that the window does when you open and close the door? In cold weather it is designed to stay down. That's what you see in the first picture. Not all the time, but often enough.

If you don't catch it, the window is left open the small amount that you see in the first picture. If it rains or snows, you get a wet car.

You also need to train yourself to check the PS window every time.

yeah that's pretty bs.
what'd the dealer have to say regarding the water damage that is to ensue?

Wierd it was in the low 30s here and my window never stayed down...

Dealer says it was designed to do that for my own good. I should monitor it and reprogram windows as needed. Nothing wrong with car.

Interesting...I've driven my car in about 5F degree weather and I've never had this issue. That sucks it happened though

A solution I've found for that issue is keep a bottle of that spray deicer. When it's freezing outside and you know the window is going to be too cold or frozen so that when you open it it gets stuck just spray a good line of that along the window sill and give it a couple of seconds so it can seep down into it. It melts everything away and the window won't get stuck.

Wow, that really sucks! I kinda like the little squeeks and crickets on the car because it reminds me that this is an imperfect car designed for sport and the focus was on making it fun, not making it a hassle free A to B car. That said, this is unacceptable design!

Can you imagine what they'll say when the convertible version comes out? "When the car reaches a certain cold temperature, it is designed to automatically fold the roof down for your benefit." ...:bonk:

wth did you show them the damage?
hardly for your own good.

Have you verified this with Corporate? I've had mine in well below zero temps and not seen it do this.

Take the blue protective film off the door sill metal, FYI or it will start to rust/corrode from the water. I learned the hard way, having the same issue as you.

Mine just did this yesterday stayed down after I closed the door. And I did not have flashing lights on the switches.

Honestly that doesn't look right at all. My windows do the same thing but they don't stay down nearly that far.

what blue protective film?

What? The window should never stay down.

I have difficulty with the temperature dependent feature explanation. It seems to elaborate to be true and with thousands of owners on this forum it has never previously been discussed and I don't recall anything to this effect in the manual. And that's a run on sentence.

I think more likely when you close the door if there is ice in the rubber seal and resistance is detected against the window it might not close fully. Then again I am not looking at the manual or asking the dealer. I'd guess my dealer wouldn't even know about it like they didn't know about the fuel pump noise.

Its on the pedals and metal door sills from factory, it peels off. It "appears" it is still on his car. But could be his camera phone making it appear blue.

You can disable it by pulling out the relay I tgink

You wont be seeing any flashing lights because you just stepped out of the car and closed the door. IF you happen to notice that the window stayed in the down position, you get back in the car and do the down-up reprogram shuffle. I do it about one a week.

If you DON'T happen to notice and it rains, then you get wet. While you are at it, don't forget to walk to the passenger side and make sure that that side is up.

The car was designed this way so that if any resistance was felt on the window motor, it would stay in the down position. Seems like it does not take much for the logic to kick in.

The dealers reaction is much the same as some of the asshats on this board who assume I have not read the manual or how to clear snow off my car. "Learn to check the windows when you get out and reprogram as needed". Just the kind of help I need.

The good news is that if I am willing to modify the electrics, there is a workaround.

I've left my window in the "down" position most of the winter so far, as it gets stuck almost everyday parking outside. When the door is closed a seal is still made, at least on my car. It's been rained on and snowed on multiple times and I have not noticed any water/snow getting in the car.

From looking at the photos, that amount of snow in your car and the gap between your window and door, it looks like your window had to have been lower than the "down" position of the feature.

Not trying to call BS, just sharing my experience with the same issue and bafflement with the photos.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^

Not trying to disagree with the OP, but am I to understand that this window down position occurs automatically in cold weather. WHY?????

What is the point? The windows automatically go down a little during door closure to prevent damage to the window and/or molding due to the compressed air in the cabin.

Theres a 5 min fix I posted in the DIY. Basicly bypass the door switch. I did that about 2 months ago and never had a problem since.

www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25229

Listen. It's not a feature that activates in the cold, it's a feature that activates when the window's freeze to the seals or the motors encounter resistance...which happens in the cold! My car's been in single digits and frozen over from ice rain and my windows still haven't jammed like this. So it's not a cold weather feature as much as it is to save your windows (frameless windows roll down to seal, or you could break them when they hit the outside of the seal) and motors.

This, exactly. But it's still not meant to stay down in cold weather like OP asserted. It happens when the assembly gets too cold, and is fixed with a simple two-button reset. You're not supposed to leave the damn window down.

This has happened to me several times. It seems to occur when ice accumulates around the window edges and increases the resistance the window mechanism sees when closing the window after closing the door. Perhaps it is part of the safety feature of the windows to prevent hands, arms, children from being injured by closing windows. It did not occur when the temperature was merely cold but only when ice was on the windows. The spray de-icer around the perimeter of the window did the trick in my case. There may be a way for Toyobaru to fix it but if the resistance the window sees when enountering ice is the same as it sees when encountering an arm that may not be possible.

Edit: You guys beat me to it.

Only had this problem once this last Alaskan winter. The windows froze up one day, just did the window reset procedure and never again. Of course there have been times when my windows wouldst even go down because of the frost/ice/cold...plus freezing rain. But no problems even down to -50F.

So why not check your shit when you lock her up. And I live in Calgary and never had a problem like this. If our weather doesn't give it problems then I don't believe it's weather related. Beyond that this is what warrentys are for. Plus it is a new car model with new tech and shit so u have to expect a few problems. If your going to be a whinny little bitch about minor things like this then sell it and buy a new one in two years when they have it figured out. Or find something about it to bitch about and ill tell you the same thing again.


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This makes me really glad I park my car in the garage.

Sorry OP that you had to deal with this, but I'd certainly do that DIY that was posted above

In OP's defense it's not always obvious the window isn't all the way up when the motor fucks up from freezing, you go to work and or come back with the heater blasting away and can't notice the small draft. And who checks the windows before leaving your car, really?

And also note that in the case it's impossible to roll the damn window up again because you can't reset it because it's FROZEN IN PLACE.

Sorry to see you're having this stupid problem. And I'm not sure why some folks can't see the problem here, heck I figured it out lol.
Just do whatever fix you can to stop the cabin pressure release feature and get back to enjoying the car.

Thanks. That does make sense, and I wouldn't have run into this situation. I park in a garage and haven't driven it in wet/freezing weather.

:mad0260: I park outside. On a supremely steep driveway that took me weeks to learn how to park on without stalling. All that aside, there was one day I thought the window might freeze to the seal, but even in single digit weather it hasn't happened.

My thoughts on this:

(IMO) I think that part of the problem is the unusual amount of water that is retained in the door, i.e. the felt guides inside the door seem pretty thick and seem to hold water forever. I washed the car on a Saturday afternoon and drove it around for a couple hours. Normally, I would expect to see a little water on the windows on any car after rolling them down an hour or two later, but this seems excessive in comparison to all the cars I've owned or driven in the past 25 or more years. They were still trailing a lot of water the next morning!
Fortunately, I've not had this sticking problem since I'm a little OCD and will roll the windows down and back up repeatedly (while wiping the excess of with a MF towel) after a car wash now, and I have a daily driver for shitty weather. I have driven in subzero temps (but dry) without issue.

That said, I thought perhaps soaking the window with some RainX in the areas where the felt guides are would provide enough protection to mitigate some of the resistance encountered, but I don't think that is the solution in and of itself. I think since the window is up, ice is forming elsewhere in addition to those felt pads. It might even be the felt lined blades on the door (visible) combined with the side runners or guides in the door. Only way to tell is when this happens, pull the door panel and inspect all the possible places. Someone's already pulled the panel off and posted pic in the technical section a while ago, but I don't recall it being in much detail that would be helpful here.
This is one of those situations where it's going to be a major pain to reproduce so engineers can troubleshoot. Changing the threshold of resistance that triggers the condition is going to be part of the solution, but who knows what else needs to be done.

I hate the idea of putting chemicals in the door, but RainX is the first thing that comes to mind. Perhaps the first test would be to treat the window itself first and treat the sides with a little silicone spray or lightly saturate the edges with some RainX. I'd make sure it's absolutely dry...

Seeing that the vehicle for the active ingredients is ethanol, and isopropyl (to keep the idiots from having a RainX party) I don't think it will cause any problems but I would caution you to use at your own risk. If faced with this problem, I would be doing this without hesitation.
Here's a little info about what's in RainX
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/0...sinside_rainx/

Put your mouth in your money/actions. If its turning to be that for you, cut your losses, sell it and move on. You will be happier afterwards. :thumbsup:

I've never had the windows stay down. It makes no sense that it would know the temperature and stay down. Sounds like something was binding it up and it wasn't able to go back to its default position.