Just a suggestion...
 

Only a suggestion, but...

Any chance that FR-S specific stuff could be kept to the North American forum?

I don't want to cause offence, but I come to this particular part of the forum for general FT86 news. I really don't care about stuff that's exclusive/changed on the Scion model, because the US (part of North America, last I checked) is the only place in the world that gets this model.

Comparisons between models are okay (eg, FR-S vs BRZ vs 86), but topics like "Scion drops the ball" shouldn't be in this part of the forum, in my opinion...

Just really frustrating seeing all these threads about the FR-S when it's really got nothing to do with the rest of the world. I'm sure a lot of others outside the US probably think the same. We don't care that your climate control knobs are different, or what body kit Five Axis is making, okay?

For those struggling to see my point, imagine what you'd feel like (assuming you're not Aussie, haha) if every second thread in here was about Australian dealer and aftermarket options that weren't available elsewhere?

Sorry again if I've caused offence, wasn't my intention, but there's region specific forums for a reason, right?

Isn't this forum primarily well... US based? o_O

Alternatively, you could ask about Australia specific features here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=20

Then the URL should be www.frsclub.com

I asked for that but got ignored :)

Someone should start up an Australian-based forum if it does not already exist.

I used to visit the MR2 UK forums (one for MkII and one for MkIII) just to enlighten myself on exclusively European market models and parts sales I never saw on US forums. I know how you feel having to sift through BS but you got no choice here, buddy.

you could start one yourself....

This forum was made years ago when the development started and I am sure will evolve now that that car(s) are here.

that's already the case so maybe the US specific stuff should also go to the US regional forum?

so u are saying it is right that the general 86/GT86/FRS section should be evolved to US specific FRS only discussion?

That's not the point I was trying to make. If we're all posting in the regional forums, then there's no reason for this sub-forum to exist.

Once we have more information on what is getting changed from region to region, the moderators will be able to break this sub-forum down into daughter-forums that more effectively group relevant topics. The structure at www.bimmerforums.com/forums is a really good example of the direction in which we need to move.

Agree with you. There's no Scion & Five Axis in my country too. I feel these topics should be move to States Regional forum.

ive also come to the conclusions everyone needs an avatar.

I think we need daughter forums structured:

86

GT86 - European Market Vehicle Specific Discussion

FRS - North American Market Vehicle Specific Discussion

But as structured, we're all under the same umbrella in this forum. It has FRS in the name of the sub-forum, so we're going to talk about the FRS until that changes. Just need the moderators / admins to get the ball rolling on it.

I think once all the information finally gets FINAL

There should be:


Toyota GT-86 (w/ subforums for exhaust/performance/appearance)

SCION FR-S (w/ subforums for exhaust/performance/appearance)

Subaru BRZ (w/ subforums for exhaust/performance/appearance)


Then Offtopic/FS (even split this into "car" )

Agreed. :bonk:

yes but if u have a look at this section. threads like "will you pre-order it", "anyone consider an automatic", "0-60mph...." are fine here.

but stuff like "scion drops the ball", "FR-S everywhere", "buying advice - cash rebates & freebies" should belong to the regional pages.

i agree and i guess eventually it will turn out this way.

I think it's best to leave exhaust / performance / appearance forums as international. Parts will be mostly interchangeable, so there's no reason to differentiate. For sale can be under one umbrella as well, we just need to make it a forum requirement to tag each thread with the model car the part is for. It's not uncommon on international forums for parts to be sold between countries.

The situation we have is that as long as FR-S is in the title of this sub-forum (it actually comes before the Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum), this will be the logical place to discuss the Scion FR-S and everything that goes with it. Just think if somebody new visits the forum, goes to the FR-S section, and sees no discussions specific to the FR-S. They'll likely go somewhere else thinking this forum has nothing for them.

These are just growing pains. Once we go through our first restructure, things will be a lot better. There's actually just not enough information coming through here right now to justify it.

actually i think what we currently have is perfectly fine.

just a few threads on this general area should be moved to the regional area that's all.

I agree, they fit better in the regional forum. But then nobody would see them there :D

lol :D

How about

General Discussion Forum (all models)

and

Model Specific
-86
-GT-86
-FR-S
-BRZ

I'm all for it honestly.

i think it's not necessary to have model specific at the beginning as they're all the same car.

i'm not saying all FRS discussion should go to the US area, but specific regional stuff should go there. eg. Scion supply and pricing info, dealers experience, the scion brand itself etc etc.

same also applies to the BRZ forum for threads like "SOA please..."

Actually, we don't even have a general US sub-forum. We have different regions of the US, but no collective US / North American forum to discuss NA Market specific topics.

There is no US area. There are 9 separate subforums for various areas of the country, but no single area for posts that relate to the entire nation as a whole.

Perhaps a better suggestion would be to ask Hachi to make such a subforum ( one that would contain the existing US regional subforums). That way, when someone posts a US specific topic in the General forum you can ask to have it moved.

Edit: I'm so slow. T_T

i think this would work with a sub-page for meets at different region/states.

but it may still ended up with all FRZ discussion being done there.

not as easy as i first thought.

I think it will sort itself out once people start taking delivery of cars. For the past few months we've been discussing these cars separately because of the differences in styling, options and more importantly the disparate rates at which the information on the different models has been released. Once we no longer have to worry about that stuff, the General forum should become more general, to the point that it will no longer make sense to divide the General forums at all.

This. Discussion about the cars is great, but when it comes to dealers/availability etc regional is best...

Wow, I expected a shitfight, but that didn't happen. Happily surprised!

To those suggesting I post in the AU forum, you're completely missing my point. I already post in there regularly, but I'm finding myself only really being interested in the topics in there, because there's just so much Scion based crap in the general forum.

My point was that there's so much commonality between the different flavours, why is the general forum littered with topics exclusive to one market?

Having said that and given the recent developments in information, I wouldn't even have a separate forum for the BRZ. There's a couple of cosmetic changes, that's it. Almost identical suspension, same engine, same gearboxes, same chassis. The only difference between all the different options is where you live. Even here in Australia we get the Toyota 86, and I bet it'll be different to the Japanese Toyota 86, and the European GT86. Like the differences between them and the FR-S, they'll only be very subtle changes.

+1

I think that's completely silly, depending on what exactly one would be discussing. There are already region specific sub forums, there is a reason this area is called the "General" sub forum.

yep - things like, engine/drivetrain/performance parts/mods discussion should be international - and then in the regional forums, group buy threads from large international discussions about producs can be made

hearing people talk about "fr-s or brz" doesent apply to the percentage of us that are not from North America, If threads like this are to be included - it would be nice if the americans could try to include the international guys :)

if any help is needed though - i am a Web Developer/Designer (UX Developer technically) i'd be happy to help :wub:

I like the idea of three subforums for GT86, FRS, and BRZ. Oh, and I also think that everyone should have an avatar!

i think everyone needs avatars for sure!

i can see the legitimacy of the complaint i'm sure it will evolve in to that eventually i just dont think there is enough information out there right now about each individual car to justify so many sub forums. just my 2 cents.

Seems like BRZ is doing just fine to be honest, It is just the general 86/FRS forum. Let's just be patient and when the cars are actually out or there is enough information for the two cars to separate them, right now all info is based on one or the other.