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ahausheer 12-07-2011 04:22 PM

0-60 mph - forget handling ability for 5.9 seconds
 
Okay, so I know this car is for handling and talk of 0-60 is sacrilegious to some, but the car must at least be quick. For FUN, lets guess the 0-60 times. To review, it seems that 60 will be achieved at the top of second so that helps and the car is lighter than all of the other ''sport compacts'' with circa 200 hp. The Civic Si and GTI can both get there in the low to mid 6's so I propose that this car will be a bit faster.

I estimate 0-60 to be 6 even on stock tires, 5.8 on high performance tread. These times are what I think hooligan journalists who don't really care about the engine can achieve, not what the average driver is capable of.

Discuss. :respekt:

KaliKev 12-07-2011 04:32 PM

Fast enough for me!

Levi 12-07-2011 04:33 PM

I also think it will be 0-100 km/h in less than 6 sec. My car will do it in 5 sec. Haha, stripped down, more power, lighterweight rims, semi-slick tires.

swift996 12-07-2011 04:39 PM

I think it will be around the speed of a RX8. I'd imagine 0-60 times in the 5.9-6.2 range and a mid-high 14 sec 1/4 mile. "quick-enough" for most, but not fast.

Rampage 12-07-2011 04:45 PM

I am going to guess mid to high 6s. Toyota and Subaru are stating around 6 second 0-60 but in car marketing jargon (and drag racing) that could mean 6.99 sec. ie. "I ran in the sixes!"

The 2012 Honda Civic Si has comparble weight, hp and a little more torque. It runs 0-60 in 6.9 seconds. I would be shocked if a stock FRS/BRZ could best it by a full second to 60mph.

Edit: I better lock down a specific time because everyone else is. I will say MT = 6.5 AT = 6.7 (hey they said it was good!)

tripjammer 12-07-2011 04:59 PM

I bet 5.8 to 6.2 0 to 60 MPH..This car will be just a little bit slower than a S2000...and we still don't have a real world dyno...the car could be putting down 200HP to the rear wheels!

We just have to wait and see. We already know the gearing is good...

ahausheer 12-07-2011 05:09 PM

I've seen the 2012 Si quoted at 6.3 for the sedan.

Mari0 12-07-2011 05:20 PM

just for funzies - 6.4

SUB-FT86 12-07-2011 05:28 PM

MT 6.2 seconds
AT 6.7 seconds

I care more about the torque curve though.

Torquesteered 12-07-2011 05:36 PM

Does anybody know if the auto has launch control? If so it will probably be faster to 60mph. It will be around 6sec. or so depending on the driver, maybe right at 6sec. for a really good driver.

madfast 12-07-2011 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torquesteered (Post 93044)
Does anybody know if the auto has launch control?

yes! to activate it you press down on the brake pedal with your left foot. then you press down on the throttle with your right foot. when the light turns green, you lift your left foot and mash your right foot... :bellyroll:

cossey 12-07-2011 06:07 PM

The closest car I know of is the Renault Clio RS200 which is 1205kg 200 BHP 158 Lbft. It does 0-62 in 6.9s using Michelin PS2s with very little grip problems.

I would expect the Toyota/Scion/Subaru to be faster due to RWD but not by much as it supposedly is running LRR prius tyres so 0-62 in ~6.7 so 0-60 in 6.5. (this is what EVO are estimating as well)

It will not be sub 6 without much better tyres and some tuning

Liftcontrol 12-07-2011 06:08 PM

0-60 : 2.9 secs [Manual or Automatic]....guaranteed!!!!:thumbsup:
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Syldrin 12-07-2011 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossey (Post 93061)
The closest car I know of is the Renault Clio RS200 which is 1205kg 200 BHP 158 Lbft. It does 0-62 in 6.9s using Michelin PS2s with very little grip problems.

I would expect the Toyota/Scion/Subaru to be faster due to RWD but not by much as it supposedly is running LRR prius tyres so 0-62 in ~6.7 so 0-60 in 6.5. (this is what EVO are estimating as well)

It will not be sub 6 without much better tyres and some tuning

does the reno run an LSD because the frs86brz-gt does.

suprachica79 12-07-2011 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liftcontrol (Post 93062)
0-60 : 2.9 secs [Manual or Automatic]....guaranteed!!!!:thumbsup:
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:clap: I see what you did there.

Put me down for an optimistic 6.2 0-60!

whitejdm 12-07-2011 06:59 PM

I'm going with 6.5 seconds.

Some other cars for comparison;
RSX type S is 6.7sec weighs 2700lbs with 200hp
RX8- R3 is 6.5sec weighs 3064lbs with 232hp
Genesis coupe 2.0t 6.8-7 sec and weighs 3294 with 210hp.

Now the 86 won't have the torque the genesis has, but it has more than the Acura and its power deliver will be way more explosive than the RX8.

Aki 12-07-2011 07:20 PM

A 2006 Si that's 2850 lbs, FWD and 200hp did it in 6.3 as per Motor Trend, I'm sure a good launch you can get 6.0 secs. Plenty fast for me.

virobloc 12-07-2011 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syldrin (Post 93064)
does the reno run an LSD because the frs86brz-gt does.

Does the LSD make any difference in straight line acceleration?

My guess is that the official figure for 0-100 will be 5,9 seconds with MT

AT? I don't care :iono:

Matador 12-07-2011 08:11 PM

I think the mags that usually get the better times will have it down to 6.3, the worse ones maybe about 6.7.... so 6.5 on Average. 0-100km/h, say 6.7-6.9 or so... you'd probably have to suck really bad to get this past 7 secs 0-60.

With proper sticky tyres, I'm betting on about 6 even, I really doubt one would consistently get it into 5.9 or less in stock form. perhaps with a foot of roll out insideline/Motortrend style?

tranzformer 12-07-2011 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1 (Post 93123)
I think the mags that usually get the better times will have it down to 6.3, the worse ones maybe about 6.7.... so 6.5 on Average. 0-100km/h, say 6.7-6.9 or so... you'd probably have to suck really bad to get this past 7 secs 0-60.

With proper sticky tyres, I'm betting on about 6 even, I really doubt one would consistently get it into 5.9 or less in stock form. perhaps with a foot of roll out insideline/Motortrend style?

+1. I was personally thinking around 6.4-6.6. Not going to be super quick, but will be good enough.

ahausheer 12-07-2011 08:36 PM

A lot of you guys are looking at power to weight of other similar cars. But gearing is just as important for 0-60.

Matador 12-07-2011 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahausheer (Post 93140)
A lot of you guys are looking at power to weight of other similar cars. But gearing is just as important for 0-60.

Obviously, but this thing is tasked with being a competent day to day car with decent mileage and emissions. I doubt it's going to have "evo short" gearing, not does it really need to.

You can figure out what the over all final drive is going to be from the estimated top speed, wheel size and hp numbers too.

carbonBLUE 12-07-2011 08:58 PM

ive been using a stopwatch on vids and ive seen 5.9 for the auto and about 5.8 for the manual, remeber the auto has full lock up 2nd-6th gear shifts are supposedly .01 seconds which gives it an advantage 2nd gear and up for the auto if geared the same

if the auto didnt shift so quickly i would say 6.3 for the auto

ydooby 12-07-2011 09:22 PM

Maybe I'm missing something but... Why are we still guessing when the press release already said 0-100km/h in 6 seconds?

Longhorn248 12-07-2011 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ydooby (Post 93164)
Maybe I'm missing something but... Why are we still guessing when the press release already said 0-100km/h in 6 seconds?

Because press releases are always right, and we have too much other stuff to talk about on this forum.

Neutral_Eyes 12-07-2011 10:13 PM

Does a more useless representation of a car's performance exist?

mines13 12-07-2011 10:24 PM

6.8 mt

mines13 12-07-2011 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes (Post 93224)
Does a more useless representation of a car's performance exist?


no.:thumbsup:

torquemada 12-07-2011 10:35 PM

will make the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs

chulooz 12-07-2011 10:42 PM

I wanna make a guess! 6.6MT

mines13 12-07-2011 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torquemada (Post 93239)
will make the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs

:laughabove: u win.

Caliban 12-07-2011 10:44 PM

6.2sec MT
6.6sec AT

Lets see who can guess it correctly ;)

NorCalRider 12-07-2011 10:52 PM

I'll play along. 6.2 seconds for the manual transmission car.

Sony 12-07-2011 11:05 PM

As long as it accelerates faster than my Tacoma, I'll be happy :)

KaliKev 12-07-2011 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sony (Post 93269)
As long as it accelerates faster than my Tacoma, I'll be happy :)

Same here, today I timed my fj 0-60 at 9 seconds and that felt fast lol

In4FRS 12-08-2011 01:14 AM

my tC when it was stock did 7.3 so i'll take anything below that. meh. even if its not. Ill live lol

CSSM 12-08-2011 01:27 AM

I estimate 5.9 for Manual and 6.1 for the Auto. I have a 9.0s Tahe right now, so any number will make me happy :) The BRZ is half the weight of my tahoe :lol:

Praetendere 12-08-2011 02:10 AM

As long as it's about as fast as the 07 Mini Cooper S my family had when I was in high school I'll be happy. So, ~6.5 seconds.

cossey 12-08-2011 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syldrin (Post 93064)
does the reno run an LSD because the frs86brz-gt does.

no but it was fitted to the larger Megane part way through the production run and it made almost no difference (6.3->6.1 but it also included a tyre change from Dunlop sports Maxx to Michelin Pilot Sport 2s)

Xdragonxb0i 12-08-2011 03:38 AM

shouldnt the AT be faster. consider its paddle shifting would be faster then anyone shifting gears.


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