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kombatlion 01-24-2013 11:41 AM

Not Happy with Performance
 
I have my FRS for 3 months now I think is very good looking car, also handleling is awsome but horse power is weak. Here in Puerto Rico they have this Mitsubishi Mirage non-turbo from 1995 to 1998. And just with a couple of modifications they are around the horsepower of the FRS. I come from VW GTI Turbo that with a couple of mods I am around 220wp. Now I need $3500 for a turbo or supercharge to be around 240hp thats a lot of money buy I need this bad I believe the car is under power just my opinion.

whtchocla7e 01-24-2013 11:48 AM

You knew this before buying, right?

Asterisked Accolade 01-24-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by whtchocla7e (Post 686120)
You knew this before buying, right?

That's what i was thinking-- we knew the power was modest over a year in advance to it going on sale, did we not?

Also, i kind of think that people who have the need for lots of power weren't this car's demographic.

kombatlion 01-24-2013 11:50 AM

Yes I just feel like I regret it, maybe a couple of more money and I was going to be able to get an Impreza wrx, but again I have a car that is very good and not everybody have one...

Spd229 01-24-2013 11:52 AM

Many say a little more power would have been great. However, it's a new platform and costs are going to be high compared to the other cars you've mentioned. It's just how it is.

It's got a bit of grunt down low which is nice and useful for city driving, and once you're above the torque dip things are pretty well off there as well. I've yet to track the car however, so I can't comment on the car 'lacking power.'

If you were hoping to start another one of these threads though....lol. Job well done!

lantsalot 01-24-2013 11:53 AM

The car has plenty of power for what it's meant to do, which is everything but go fast in a straight line.

WorldRallyBlueBRZ 01-24-2013 11:55 AM

Didn't you test drive the car before buying it? This car is not meant to be some drag car or anything like that....Sounds like you should have bought a 370z or a mustang 5.0 instead if power is what you wanted.

CaptainSlow 01-24-2013 11:56 AM

ok.

kombatlion 01-24-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lantsalot (Post 686133)
The car has plenty of power for what it's meant to do, which is everything but go fast in a straight line.

You are right there maybe I just need to safe money and buy the supercharger

#87 01-24-2013 11:59 AM

So then look at it like this/

If you get a turbo, then it will be 2000 cheaper because you wont be getting raped on trade in for a more powerful car.

Strong impulse buy lol

russv 01-24-2013 12:00 PM

Where in Puerto Rico would you use that horsepower?

kombatlion 01-24-2013 12:02 PM

I want it a all around car able to be good in the track and good on the street. I was in love at first sight and now I think I need a little power thats all, just want to know if anybody was feeling like me but it looks like I am alone in here you love ur cars!!

kombatlion 01-24-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by russv (Post 686145)
Where in Puerto Rico would you use that horsepower?

Jajaja Everywhere, everywhere!

Bonburner 01-24-2013 12:07 PM

Get new headers, intake, exhaust, lighter pulleys &/or flywheel, tune, high performance gas pump.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see more than 20 hp gain/freed considering how much just adding one of these helps.
I wanted to slap a turbo in the car but I changed my mind and plan on keeping it completely stock - yes I agree not enough power but I can live with that.

dori. 01-24-2013 12:10 PM

hmmm maybe a Genesis coupe was a better option for you

Pbrown 01-24-2013 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kombatlion (Post 686151)
Jajaja Everywhere, everywhere!

start with the air intake and Ecutek software. 15-20 horsepower for $1000. Not a hard pill to swallow.

Chimpo 01-24-2013 12:13 PM

I'm going to echo many others here, but what did you expect out of a 200HP NA car? Didn't the chief engineer for this even say (not verbatim) "We have the Imprezza STi if you want fast..." :iono:

There really was no confusion as to what the car was about during it's development so I'm surprised that you bought it with different expectations. On the flip side, you may be able to dump it at a very minimal loss since they're still a hot item.

HotLava 01-24-2013 12:14 PM

The problem is that if Subaru/Toyota would have made a NA engine with 250 HP it would not get the mileage it does now. Then a buyer like me would have had NO incentive to sell my Mustang GT and buy it. I just don't want a car that gets less than 30 average. I'm saving 1,000 per year so far in gas with my FR-S. If they added a turbo it would probably be 3k more per car, also with less mileage. Up the price 3k and then why not just get a 5.0 Mustang with 400+ horsepower? The car has great looks, good mileage (for the type of car it is), good price, great handling, amazing 'feel', and two world class transmissions for the price. It's a well rounded package.

kombatlion 01-24-2013 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pbrown (Post 686168)
start with the air intake and Ecutek software. 15-20 horsepower for $1000. Not a hard pill to swallow.

I like this Idea!

GTB/ZR-1 01-24-2013 12:18 PM

Get your flamesuit on... Lol

Who is jaja?

#87 01-24-2013 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kombatlion (Post 686185)
I like this Idea!

bad idea because you probably will barely notice those 20 HP. You are going to need FI to meet your goals I am sure of it

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Originally Posted by GTB/ZR-1 (Post 686187)
Get your flamesuit on... Lol

Who is jaja?

like saying haha

chenshuo 01-24-2013 12:22 PM

OP, you should sell the FRS and go join the Genesis forum.

GT86drifter 01-24-2013 12:23 PM

this car is not for u

Visconti 01-24-2013 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kombatlion (Post 686101)
I have my FRS for 3 months now I think is very good looking car, also handleling is awsome but horse power is weak. Here in Puerto Rico they have this Mitsubishi Mirage non-turbo from 1995 to 1998. And just with a couple of modifications they are around the horsepower of the FRS. I come from VW GTI Turbo that with a couple of mods I am around 220wp. Now I need $3500 for a turbo or supercharge to be around 240hp thats a lot of money buy I need this bad I believe the car is under power just my opinion.

It is, but go forced induction !

encity5 01-24-2013 12:24 PM

2 cars you mentioned are fwd
The frs is rwd

what everyone said car is probably not for you, go back to fwd or awd?

Saab2Frs 01-24-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GTB/ZR-1 (Post 686187)
Get your flamesuit on... Lol

Who is jaja?

It's Spanish for "haha"

MTCRX 01-24-2013 12:29 PM

A tune alone would cost around $1000, a lot cheaper than the turbo, and easier. I know this car won't slam you in the seat, but so far the power is not that bad really. I will find out on the autocross course later this year. More is always better, but this car isn't a wimp either. Compare it to a $50,000 car and it will lag, but if you put $3500 into a turbo you are still at around $30,000, not too bad I would say.

PrDarkKnight 01-24-2013 12:31 PM

Ok kombat, I know how you feel but chin up, get in an autocross raceway and you'll see that you will see what the car was made of. The other day I was playing against a new mustang in the hills and when we got on a two lane road He complimented the car and me (Yay!!! jajaj) because He was not able to shake me. there's an event coming us and the PR guys want to go, My advice go have fun and see what you purchased.

P.S.

In going with turbo myself, check the Full Blown kit thread and tell me that's not impressive.

Turbowned 01-24-2013 12:32 PM

Some of the fastest Toyotas in the world are built in Puerto Rico. I don't know how you guys do it over there, but it's incredible! (I wish I could move there or to New Zealand and get help building my 4A-GE!) I'm confident if you talk to the right people you can get a turbo on this car and make the power you're looking for. Best of luck!

PrDarkKnight 01-24-2013 12:35 PM

and BTW, put those mirage's next to your car and ask a hot girl to pick one to ride on and then tell me.

kombatlion 01-24-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrDarkKnight (Post 686224)
Ok kombat, I know how you feel but chin up, get in an autocross raceway and you'll see that you will see what the car was made of. The other day I was playing against a new mustang in the hills and when we got on a two lane road He complimented the car and me (Yay!!! jajaj) because He was not able to shake me. there's an event coming us and the PR guys want to go, My advice go have fun and see what you purchased.

P.S.

In going with turbo myself, check the Full Blown kit thread and tell me that's not impressive.

Thanks I will like to go so just keep me posted! I am still undecided between turbo or supercharger... So we talk later on this decicion.

jesperswe 01-24-2013 12:40 PM

Just keep the rpms above 5000 and it pulls nicely. Below that is one slow ass car :D

kombatlion 01-24-2013 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Visconti (Post 686198)
It is, but go forced induction !

I will get it, next month thanks for the good advice.

PrDarkKnight 01-24-2013 12:40 PM

same concept as the FR-S, lightweight chasis but with a lot of inventive and crazy people lol I see Starlets doing 6's in 1/4 mile all the time and the fastest street Hyundai was from here (officially), a 96 Accent fully street doing 9's.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 686233)
Some of the fastest Toyotas in the world are built in Puerto Rico. I don't know how you guys do it over there, but it's incredible! (I wish I could move there or to New Zealand and get help building my 4A-GE!) I'm confident if you talk to the right people you can get a turbo on this car and make the power you're looking for. Best of luck!


bdohazelnuts 01-24-2013 12:45 PM

With a couple of mods, this car CAN put out over 200 whp. A good flowing intake solution, one of the quality header-back exhausts, and a good tune (e85 preferred), and you will be putting out over 210 at the wheels.

Turbo potential? INSANE. With as high as this engine can rev, and as well as the heads actually flow, it is begging to be turbocharged.

86'd 01-24-2013 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTCRX (Post 686219)
A tune alone would cost around $1000, a lot cheaper than the turbo, and easier. I know this car won't slam you in the seat, but so far the power is not that bad really. I will find out on the autocross course later this year. More is always better, but this car isn't a wimp either. Compare it to a $50,000 car and it will lag, but if you put $3500 into a turbo you are still at around $30,000, not too bad I would say.


Why do people think turbo setups are so cheap?

The cost for a solid/reliable turbo set-up, plus tuning, plus supporting mods, is more like 6k-10k+.

That makes the ECU flash ($1k) for 20hp downright reasonable.

kombatlion 01-24-2013 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrDarkKnight (Post 686240)
and BTW, put those mirage's next to your car and ask a hot girl to pick one to ride on and then tell me.


Ja of course Mine FRS, did you see it. I bought the Showroom model it came with Hijoin Wheels from taiwan so I am sure I am the only one in Puerto Rico with this wheels. Aslo the factory gt86 spoiler... I think my FRS is the sexiest car ever but I just need more power just a little more arouund 240whp and I will be the happiest guy in Luquillo PR... Bumm,m

dun3 01-24-2013 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetsuya Tada (Post 686197)
"anyone who says the 86 is too slow "does not understand the concept." "

Just sayin'

kombatlion 01-24-2013 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dun3 (Post 686337)
Just sayin'

Whatever, you will get it when a sentra beat ur ass... unless you go to the track every week...

jaynutter2 01-24-2013 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kombatlion (Post 686101)
I have my FRS for 3 months now I think is very good looking car, also handleling is awsome but horse power is weak. Here in Puerto Rico they have this Mitsubishi Mirage non-turbo from 1995 to 1998. And just with a couple of modifications they are around the horsepower of the FRS. I come from VW GTI Turbo that with a couple of mods I am around 220wp. Now I need $3500 for a turbo or supercharge to be around 240hp thats a lot of money buy I need this bad I believe the car is under power just my opinion.

If you were looking for a car with pure power and a solid price, the Mustang GT and Camaro SS are the best bang for the buck. I was considering the Mustang GT, but I bought the FR-S while I wait for the 2015 Mustang GT.

I was very skeptical if I would like the car when I bought it, but I grew to really enjoy it. For a daily driver it has plenty of power, and how often does anyone really use the full power of the engine.


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