What happened to the LED DRL's???
 

Wow, since the news of the FRS/BRZ broke news or speculation seems to be flying at warp speeds so excuse me if I've missed a lot of info here. Work and a crazy move have kept me busy.

But like my title states WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LED DRL's???!!! I know people have mixed opinions on them, but I personally love them and it doesn't hurt that they provide an additional layer of safety when you're on the road. So is it safe to say that both the FRS and the BRZ will not have them for the NA market?

BRZ will have it's DRLs, the Scion will have none. However, it is speculated that the DRL/HID headlight will be a factory option.

that :clap:

Thanks for the info guys. :thanks:

Hey now now .. they might be an option XD! I mean... don't some state require Daytime light?

I think DRLs have been in US Law since the 90s, but those are just the dim lamps in the headlights that almost every car has. Bright LEDs is a new fashion trend thanks to those zany germans, but they aren't any different from the the yellow daytime lamps of yesteryear.

Yes, California requires DRL's.

True that the Germans made them popular, but compared to regular halogen DRL's LED DRL's are so much better! I hope that they will make them available on the FRS.

German made LED popular, but Japanese used LED first.

I thought this was said to be standard on the BRZ (well according to MT).

They did? I don't remember seeing LED DRLs on anything before Audi did it in 2004 A8. And for trendsetters, they're doing an awful job. When you use your turn signals, that side LED turns off. It looks like the car is broken every time you're sitting at a light waiting to turn. My mother's IS350AWD has an LED strip in the headlight too, but it just dims when the headlights are on.

Looks like both the premium and limited BRZ have the HIDS and LED DRL's.

The based Scion has halogen headlights with not HIDs and LED DRL's. There better be an option from scion...hehe....yeah there will be, they just ain't saying what the options are yet.:iono: Scion is not gonna let us down :brokenheart: for those that want them....

California, nor any state in the U.S. require DRLs, and the DOT will not mandate them based on the volume of public complaints shortly after they were permitted.

I meant that the Scion's will be an option. BRZ's is standard.

I'd take the following options with the FRS:
- Toyota emblems
- Center stack from the 86/BRZ
- Push button start
- LED headlights
- Nav

I'd essentially pay an additional $6k if they would sell me the GT86 vs that Scion.

nope

They are required for every province in Canada. I wouldn't be surprised if we get the LED DRLs.

Hollis told us as the event was shutting down that the HID/LED headlight combo won't come til some time after launch. he said the question is do people want it? (they do) and how much do they sell the option for? so not initially but later is the answer to the HID/LED conundrum for the FRS.

Yes. Lexus did. As plate light, but not as DRL.

I stand corrected. I guess I had grouped it with the anti-cell phone while driving law. :thanks:

Scion bring it. I will pay for the option. This car needs the HID/LED headlight combo in my opinion. OK you got LED taillights, you need HID/LEDs to get the full look. Just saying Scion. I know what you are trying to do. Just give us the option at release not "sometime" later...

I will pay for it if it's not more than 200 or I will go aftermarket.

Hey, any GT86 guys want to trade front headlights and bumper with a BRZ?

It depends. Canada wanted to adopt standards closer to what the EU has settled on, but manufacturers, led by General Motors, told them it would cost too much in manufacturing and warranty costs, so Canada settled on allowing manufacturers to use low-voltage high beams.

Why wouldn't Canada get the LEDs?

Halogen headlights are a wear-and-tear, non-warranty items: once they burn out, you go to your local auto parts store to buy new ones. With LEDs, if enough burn out or the entire strip fails within the warranty period, the manufacturer is liable to replace them. If the LEDs burn out after the warranty period, the owner is liable for the repair which could mean they would a) most likely replace the entire headlight assembly [$$$], or b) find a way to open the headlight assembly and replace the LEDs or LED strip themselves.

If Toyota found a way to reduce manufacturing costs and somehow could guarantee the LEDs last 3-5 years, it'll probably happen. If they can't... probably not. For what it's worth, the average service life of a LED is 10,000 hours or 417 days, but that doesn't account for weather, voltage changes, vibration & harmonics, engine heat, etc.

If perchance the Canadian Scion gets one, I'll have to make a trip up there import a Scion.

Car people want it the general public may think a little different. Remember depending on the brand/model HID's can be a $1500 option and with the LED DRL's I expect the HID's, new headlight housings, and LED DRL's to run at least 1K. The question is will the average consumer considering spending 1K+ just for some upgraded headlights.

Those pretty white plate lights weren't LEDs. They were CCFL. That's how they got such even light coverage. And they were debuted with the 2006 LS, GS, and IS.

If you're talking about LEDs anywhere on the exterior of a car, Cadillac had the first LED brake lights back in 2000 on the DeVille, but LED CHMSLs have been around since the 80s.

So I know there are differences with the bumpers (headlamp shapes look the same) unless I am totally off in my guess, I would assume the wiring would be the same

I liked the leds (when done right)

Great post man, thanks for the information!

My bad. You're right. Caddy used it first on brake light. The one use in Lexus is probably wedge bulb, but it's definitely not CCFL. They were debuted since 2001 in IS300/GS300.

I'd hate to be a debbie downer, but very doubtful we'll be getting them here in Canada either. Sure we require DRLs, but the Scion that was sighted in California had DRLs, just halogen ones.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...8&d=1322689131

That is the BASE clean slate Scion FRS. There will be options. You will just have to pay to get them.

I highly doubt it will be THAT cheap :iono:

I just threw in the number. I don't think it's that cheap either. :lol:
however, if Scion is going to charge me 400-500 for HID LED DRL, they better give me the stock pair and optional pair. Both non DRL and DRL are the same with different housings only. If they are going to charge 400 to replace, I think I would go to BRZ instead.

Already getting in touch with a bad ass retrofit company for a set up

Getting the 86 headlight setup and a non TOONer car interior would sway me towards the FR-S.

I see. I think the one I saw in my friend IS300 was aftermarket then, but it wasn't so bright.

I am definately going to swap out the license plate bulbs on the frs or BRZ with LEDs!

I'm looking to become a parts supplier now before the market gets too big (already have HID kit connections and LED lights)

I hate to say it, but from these pictures it looks like the NADM BRZ will not have LED DRL's. :mad0260::mad0259::lol::bonk:

http://www.motorauthority.com/image/...013-subaru-brz

That looks like the NADM BRZ. Unless someone can shed some light on the subject???

They DRLs are inside the headlight. It's the C shaped thing.