Rumor via MT's Ed Loh: Subaru to turbocharged FA20 Engine
 

According to Motor Trend editor in chief Edward Loh, Subaru has confirmed that it'll be building a turbo version of the BRZ's FA20 engine.

But funny thing is Subaru hasn't confirmed yet that it'll be putting it into the BRZ.

Seeing how the BRZ is the only car using the FA20 engine for now though, is this a pretty sure sign that a turbocharged FA20 will be fit into future BRZ (maybe FR-S/86 too) models ???

This can go many ways, most likely of which is the WRX/STI for 2013. No turbo for BRZ. SOA has said that as well as the engineers.

the turbo engine will not find its way into the BRZ...its for other models

Source?!?!?!? I call :bs:

I believe they are building a turbo version of this engine, I highly doubt it is going in this car however.

a ton of articles have been quoted saying the FA is going to be their new starting platform for their cars including the new turbocharged varieties.

IF they build a turbo version of the FA20 engine, an engine that is used ONLY in the BRZ, why would they not eventually use it in the BRZ ?? They will. They do not want to say so at this time because if they did many may decide to wait for that instead of getting the NA FA20 BRZ.

I also feel that Toyota will not go that route. They are likely to go the SC route. It has been officially stated that Toyotal and Subaru are free to develop their individual versions of the cars in the future.

Exactly.

Of coarse they will put that turbo FA in the BRZ. Perhaps for the STI version.

they have been quoted saying the engine is too far back to put the turbo (which i call BS on because it goes under the motor who knows maybe there is a sub frame issue) also they said the typical TMIC wont fit under the hood.

Your logic is flawed, the FA20 is the first in Subaru's new engine family. It is silly to assume that just because the first version of this engine is going in to the BRZ, the turbo version is inevitably going to end up in it as well. Subaru happens to also manufacture a car called the WRX, and it is due for replacement. ;)

The bottom of the oil pan is level with the bottom flat of the sub frame... That is not to say they could not do it some other way.

the only thing i've noticed in the pictures that might be possible is a small battery and put the turbo there. or re locate the battery all together and put the turbo there. other than that we don't know what kind of space issues we have.

They've said no turbo at launch and that the FB wasn't ever designed to be turbo'd. Now they've given us a turbo FA16 display, and if they follow their earlier displacement bump for North American STI's, a turbo FA20 makes a bit of logic.

Whether a 300+ bhp turbo FA20 BRZ STI comes later is very speculative (FA16 turbo is more believable), though. Product placement, halo car, etc...

They officialy said this engine would be in the Next gen WRX.
I highly doubt the BRZ will see an engine any time soon.

Lets remember that the engine mounts in the BRZ are supposedly the same as another Subaru engine (forget which). Could play a role in this whole thing. The WRX is going to its own platform so perhaps would use a new turbo engine as well, makes sense to use the one with the lowest COG.

BRZ will have no engine? How does it move? :D

So do a front mount. Not a big deal.:iono:

flintstones style.

or redesign the hood like they did with IS to put V8 engine.

If subaru puts a turbo motor in this, I'm more than sold.

yes it was official but they NEVER said this engine would go on the BRZ.
they specifically said at the LA auto show (when they unveiled the
BRZ STI) that the turbo version of the BRZ engine would be on the next gen WRX.

I hate how these articles make it seem like the BRZ is getting it but it's NOT.

here:
watch this video, go to minute 10:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE76IRagtpU&feature=player_embedded

the BRZ and Scion/toyota are meachanically the EXACT same thing,
why would a turbo engine fit in one and not the other?

Because it fits peoples daydreams and opinions, of course.

Turbo speculation thread.... You have returned.... >:l

a little birdie say Crawford Performance is testing this motor and a turbo BRZ will be available for the 2014.

^ damn little birds and their lies. I dont trust birds. :P

STI is already working on a FB20 Turbo - for the BRZ ;)

from http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2276979&page=2

So it's still up in the air as to whether they turbo the FA. The thread is in reference to the WRX/STI however.

I have nothing against a Turbo, but I am afraid if a Turbo comes up, there will be no more resurch/development/aftermarket for a Naturally Aspirated engine.

Na there will always :thumbsup: be plenty of N/A support. Plenty

As much as I anticipate the availability of a turbo, I'm really looking forard more to seeing cosworth doing the nasty on this motor and executing a sick NA build with parts and or a complete kit subsequently available for sale of course.

+1

What if to contact them. They did such a good job for the Cosworth Impreza WRX STI CS400. I wish they do the same but following the philosophy of the BRZ, this means staying NA.


A carbon fiber roof as in the Impreza WRX STI Spec C would be epic.

With a bit more hope this time, too.

Dont read to much into this. WOT Motortrend, reports have been deteriorating over time. Edward Loh hasn't spoken on the FT-86 since the early days of rumorville. "Subaru" hasn't confirmed anything, officially.

I want to believe, but I can't allow myself to. I just doubt a Subaru exec would confirm it with motortrend and NO ONE else.

Really, is Ed Loh's information credible? The pricing information seems to be so tightly protected across the world. Why on earth, would Subaru share such information just with him? But at the same time, why would he risk his reputation by twittering exact numbers to the world? I do not understand.

I think he slipped and gave it away on a publicity stunt, I took the pricing twittering with a large batch of salt. Until I see the numbers on the official website or the actual price sticker on a BRZ it self. I say just keep with the speculation and wait till we see the cars out in April or june.

I'm afraid that you are right. The best case scenario is right inbetween his number and the price estimated by edumunds (24,600 or so). That would be without a nav (not that I need one). I am surprised that even a base Scion version will not be available under 20,000.

I sure hope so, if only there thinking about all the racers out there!

curious as to what you mean by this?

because i know you don't mean you need a turbo to race because thats just silly. maybe you mean you need more power to contend which is also silly. the original 86 had what 87hp and look where it went.

plus everyone knows all you need to do to be a race car is have a giant spoiler.

Difficult? Yes. Impossible? No. If they wanted to, they could. Reminds me of how Aston Martin was able to squeeze a v12 in the vantage, a car that was already packed enough as it was with a v8. Even a small bulge in the hood can give them a little extra space, like the 2nd gen eclipse.

Does Subaru have the rights to use Toyota's direct/port injection in other vehicles, or to use FI with it in the BRZ?

Sort-of maybe? The relationship is a bit interesting since Toyota owns ~16% of FHI.