brz/frs "slush" box
 

walked into a 'subie" dealer today,and just for s**ts and giggles took a slush box limited out for a drive with the primacy michilin's on. all i got to say,is wow! i take everything back i said about the slush! what an enjoyable experience! plenty of ''grunt" damn thing is QUICK!.played with the stick,in manual mode,and had a ball! had all nannies on,came around a corner at a safe speed off the highway,and the a*s end started to break loose,and got a little squirrely for a moment,until the nannies kicked in,and straightened the car right out! believe me,this tranny is a blast to drive! ,and gets better fuel mileage too! i'll never say a bad word again about this tranny again! also found out,the tranny fluid only needs changing every 60,000 miles as opposed to the manual fluid at 30,000.

Yerp. I love mine.

I love my A/T I had the same mindset as you until I had the opportunity to drive one. I thank myself every time I commute in rush hour.

Absofrikkinlootely LOOOVE mine!!!

me too!!!

Agreed. You should have popped it in sport mode. Really transforms the auto.

I test drove an automatic. Absolutely the best automatic I have driven in my 25 years of driving. Period. It puts the sport mode/paddle shifted slushbox in my wife's RDX to shame.

Well uh... yeah.

I love my MT, but with all the commuting I do, I've thought 'what if I'd gotten an AT' recently, I have to admit.

I like the auto better than my 2011 GTI DSG "auto". That's saying a lot.

Car magazines have praised this transmission and with good reason. Mine rocks.

Yup. Drove a manual after I bought mine. Fantastic, but I don't regret the at. Its a daily and nearly dsg fun. I have my miata for a toy. I love it...

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Now now folks, I think OP is getting let off a little too easy what with all these 'thanks' being administered. Here's an example, just a little sample, how I could just grill a man.

Really now? This was posted back on September 1st. Yet in this thread you make it seem like you just waltzed in and test drove one randomly and now you love it.

But it hardly ends there folks.

I am sure there's more but these are just some threads I happened to remember reading this ridiculous shit in.
At any rate, quite a change of opinion from...

and a mere 20 days later to...


And let's not forget...

Better get practicing old man!

Hahaha, that must've took a min, to grab all that lol... I love my "slush box" I miss a stick when I wanna do something stupid, but 99% of the time when I'm trying to be sane, I'm happy with my slushy

even though it's a conventional torque lock up convertor,it's been electronically programmed to emulate a "tiptronic" german design. i don't care 2 sh**s about the "half-as*ed" paddle shifters,as they contribute nothing for me.been a "stick" jockey for over 40 years,and just despised the "slush" in any form,until today!
love the fact,that (heaven forbid) i should just want to throw it into "drive" i can,and the car will return economy car fuel ratings,or play with the stick simulating a manual (most of the time,if not all) japanese did a outrageous job with the programming,and it is really f**king quick,AND smooth too! a very pleasant experience!..just sayin'

yeah! but didn't even think of it! had a barrel of fun just drivin' it period!

what can i say? caught me red handed! i'm man enough to admit i was wrong! as far as "jerkin' off",i have someone do that for me,so not a concern!
besides,at my age,i'm just happy i can still get it up,WITHOUT pills! ehe! he! he! (lol) gotta be honest,you come off sounding like one vindictive (s.o.b.)
i think you was a "disgruntled" car sales manager in a previous life! hmmmm!

wtf did i just read...

That means a lot coming from you as I was going back and forth with you about it in another thread. I was just driving a go-kart the other day at Andretti racing and I realized that even a go-kart is fun without needing a clutch. The grip from the tires and the planted low feel paired with the tight steering made me enjoy the experience like no other. I hope the BRZ automatic feels like what I experienced but of course in a bigger vehicle.

62 eh? Your mannerisms are that of a 14 year old. I can't imagine my grandfather openly saying that he has someone available to jerk him off. I mean I'm sure he and my grandmother have their fun times...but seriously.

I Tapped that

In life we have choices. This is a good thing. I like to shift, I have 3 other cars that are auto. I needed the change, I had to have the change. lol

At least OP has admitted he is willing to try new things and likes the AT. Either way, I think alot of the pepole that bad mouth the AT have never driven the AT on this particular model vehicle (some have, I know). On most cars, I hate AT just like the next guy. But the BRZ/FRS AT is pretty great for a slush box, agreed OP.

Interesting you say that. Do you like the low-speed driveability better with the torque-converter?

My GTI has the dual-clutch auto setup and I think it's great. I've only driven one auto FR-S and I wasn't blown away by it, so curious to hear your thoughts.

^^^Well said^^^

A MT is not even remotely on my radar for this car, not with my commute and my love for leisurely driving. So here's the bottom line with the differences between AT and MT.

(a) Do they have the same no of gears ? - yes.
(b) Can I hold any gear through the corners ? - yes on both.
(c) Can one launch better ? - MT has an edge but 1st gear is very short on both.
(d) Can one reach 60 faster ? - MT definitely is faster but still requires 3rd gear.
(e) Can I do something else with one hand while in traffic ? - MT (if you not changing gears), AT (definitely, slap it in D)
(f) Does one require more maintenance and $ ? MT (clutch plate replacements, more frequent tranny fluid replacements) AT (tranny fluid replacements are twice longer, others?)
(g) Can I let someone else drive it without worrying about anything ? - MT (you may smell clutch burn), AT (sure)

That said, the only thing I dislike with the AT is the auto down-shift on slowing down. If I slowed down enough for it to auto down-shift to 2nd, if I didn't see that or am not looking and I down-shift manually, I would then be in the very short 1st gear. Which of course, may be way too low for my speed.

Nice edit there. Think I wouldn't notice?

Vindictive SOB, that's pretty much a dead ringer for me, and being one has served me quite well over the years.

As far as being a disgruntled car sales manager, not much evidence for that now is there? Judging by your inability to write a coherent sentence I'd say there's plenty of evidence for you either being a troll at best and a victim of moderate brain damage at worst. That's not an insult btw, I don't make fun of disabled people. Just my observation.

PS: There is a difference between admitting you were wrong versus lying, hoping you wouldn't get caught, getting caught, and then trying to play it off.

Admit it, you never test drove the car and yet you persisted in giving people crap for months. They told you to at least try it. You could have refused, but no, even worse you said you already had tested it and it still sucked. Then when you finally took their advice and tried it whadya know you loved it. Personally I think you owe an apology for your behavior, especially to guys like Russv who honestly tried to help broaden your horizons, but that's probably asking too much from you.

I honestly hope you are a troll, I can't imagine anyone being satisfied with lack of communication/thinking skills and what little value they provide to their own communities.

Signed, The Vindictive S.O.B.

Not sure why this would be a disadvantage as this behavior is somewhat toggleable. This is not an issue if you pay attention to your revs in manual mode or when in auto assuming you are not in sport mode. The car is actually pretty good about holding gears for you, and will hold them quite low even if you forget. It will however, downshift if you approach the point you are lugging your engine. Basically the car will hold out as long as it can for you, but at some point if you neglect monitoring the rpm's it is gotta do what it's gotta due to keep the rpm's within a safe range.

Still, the situation you described is unlikely to be much of a concern. In order for it to downshift by itself into 2nd, you would have to be on the verge of lugging 3rd. For that you would have to be driving very slow indeed.

Also downshifting into 1st on this car is largely drama free. In fact it will be glad to downshift within 500 rpm's of redline. There is a weight shift with all that added engine braking, though even if it caught you off guard it shouldn't be an problem on all but the slipperiest surfaces.

On sport mode it is true the car is more anxious to select the next lowest gear, but that's just the name of the game. If it is a concern drive in manual all the time (my preference) or just keep it in normal auto. Though the third option is you could leave the car in "snow" where it will never downshift into 1st. ;)

EDIT: I just went out and tried this, it seems in Manual, Auto, and Sport Auto when driving casually the car downshifts from third into second at 15mph. At this speed it places first gear around 3000 rpm. No biggie. If you are driving agressively especially in sport it will probably downshift more promptly, but in that case you're better off letting the car do its thing as it will likely downshift to 1st all on its own at the earliest convenience.

yeah! i was dead wrong! my previous rant was because i have driven stick all my life,because autos generally don't do nothin' for me,and i loved shifting.
when i drove that "slush box " in the frs,i was really knocked off my feet with how much fun it really is! it's a very efficient tranny too! i admit i was wrong,i spoke prematurely,and i got roasted for it! you will like it in the brz! i did ,and that's saying something, coming from a die-hard "stick" driver.

got my point across! you don't like it? don't read it! as far as being 14 again? yeah i could go for that! sucks bein' old, but ya deal with it! ehe! he! he! besides, who the f**k cares what you think! with that obtuse half -ass remark,you obviously don't care what i think! just sayin' (lol!) sent from my tap-a-talk.

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This thread...

Talked with Bob @Drift-Office over the last couple weeks. Bob has a colorful collection of cars and owns a MT FRS.

Bob had my a/t BRZ over the course of almost two weeks for R&D. In summary, he was extremely pleased with the A/T and thinks there maybe a possibility of closing the power gap with a few mods and tuning.

My setup will soon have an AVO turbo installed, and he'll have one for his FRS... Maybe next week? Should be some interesting results coming!

This is seriously not a good time for your "tapatalk" signature to pop up at the end of a post.

he! he! he! Lovin' this thread. We need a Hall of Fame section.

he! he! he!

There is no power gap. They make exactly the same power at the crank. On dynos they put down nearly identical numbers, the power varies from car to car like any model vehicle.

The difference in the 1/4 mile is the launch. Maybe 1/2 a tenth due to gearing (very, very slight difference), but the big difference is the launch. Second through sixth, assume they are nearly identical.

LOVE the low speed driveability. No more jerky shifting, especially in traffic. I would not have said it was better than the DSG while in regular mode, although I do find it nice, but when you put it in sport mode the rev matching down shifts, and just overall feel of the shifts are amazing.

Of course I hate that it's STILL a regular torque converter and the inherent drivetrain loss that goes along with it. But you can't have it all.

these are exactly my thoughts as well.as i have admitted,i "judged" this slush box prematurely,and i was wrong!.i did not drive it ahead of my comments,and i deserve to "called on the carpet" for that! i admit that THIS auto tranny in THIS car is great! what a pleasure to drive,AND the bonus of excellent fuel economy! (hot damn!)

The drivetrain loss in autos is exceptionally minimal nowadays, due in part to a lockup converter. The main difference is in acceleration times as you said is due to gear ratios (very small) and the ability to launch (easily the biggest difference between the two transmissions in acceleration times from 0)

Granted I wonder if there is some way to tap into the ECU to see exactly when the converter has been locked up. Supposedly it is in every gear outside of 1st, but I will say there are times I swear I step on the gas and the rpm's seem to decrease akin to a slipping clutch, and I wonder if the torque converter is to blame. If so it certainly has a negative impact on precise throttle modulation.

i called you that because i believe you to be one! no mystery there! i admitted that i was wrong,and don't believe anything else is necessary would you shoot me now,tar and feather me,or (heaven forbid) make me join a protest group outside the capital trying to impeach obama. i say it like it is! if i'm wrong,then i "man" up and admit it.i have done this already,
what's the matter? you never made an honest mistake in your life?
put it to bed! let's move on! f**k it! (lol!)

You're right that the drivetrain loss is minimal, but compared to the DSG auto tranny in the GTI (which shifts even faster than possible in a manual), you notice a difference. Again, I love our auto though. I wouldn't have bought one if I didn't think it was far superior to everything this side of dual clutches.

I need to give you props for man'n up. I respect that. I still wouldn't own an auto. Love my stick!! Lol