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Hachiroku 12-03-2011 04:09 PM

Top Gear Online Subaru BRZ review - if you enjoy driving, this is the car for you
 
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Review via Top Gear Online


First drive: Subaru’s new BRZ coupe

Yes, we’ve finally got behind the wheel. Ollie Marriage reports back from Subaru’s Japanese test track

Posted by: Ollie Marriage , 03 December 2011

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First of all, let’s solve the mystery of the name. BRZ stands for Boxer, Rear-wheel drive, Zenith. That’s pretty clear isn’t it? Well, the first two parts are, and as for Zenith, that’s just Subaru’s way of saying this is the best it can do. Personally I think Subaru Zenith has more of a ring to it than Subaru BRZ which, let’s face it, isn’t exactly a dynamic name.

This is a a shame for a rather dynamic car. That’s right, we’ve finally, finally driven the BRZ. We had to go all the way to Subaru’s test track, two hours north of Tokyo to do so, but it was worth it.

So where to start? As suspected, both Subaru and Toyota have had specific tasks within this joint project. Toyota has been responsible for the design (which certainly isn’t the most dynamic aspect of the car), and has lent its direct injection technology to the engine. Subaru has done pretty much everything else. Talking to the engineers you get the sense this is very much Subaru’s car – the first development prototype was a cut n’ shut Legacy, the next an Impreza. This is good news, as we know Subaru can build great cars. The BRZ clearly has potential.

It’s a brand new car from scratch – a rare thing these days. The engine is mounted so low, Subaru believes it has a lower centre of gravity than a Ferrari 458. And a low engine is not only good for handling, but also means the driver can be sat low, yet still see over the bonnet. It’s snug inside, the design largely functional, the colour scheme mostly grey. It’s no Audi TT, but the impression is good because you’ve dropped so low into a wrap-around seat and your hands are clasping a small, feelsome wheel.

The driver’s seat is definitely the place to be. Subaru boasts that this is the world’s smallest four seat rear-wheel drive coupe, so you can guess what that means for those travelling in the back. And the boot seems to be a complete afterthought.

But enough of that, it’s the driving that counts. The 2.0-litre flat four is naturally aspirated, revs to 7,400rpm and develops 200bhp and 151lb ft of torque. These, you don’t need me to point out, aren’t massively impressive figures these days. And the BRZ isn’t a massively fast car. Final homologation happens next month, the expectation being a 0-62mph time of around 6.8secs with the CO2 target being 160g/km. I’d guess at a top speed of around 145mph, and 42mpg on the combined cycle.

It’s light though (1,220kg), and Subaru has worked the torque hard, so although the peak is between 6,400-6,600rpm, you have almost all of that before 3,000rpm. Put your foot down at low revs and it picks up healthily, aided by super-quick throttle response. But it tails off a bit through the mid-range, meaning you have to head for the high numbers to get your kicks. And that’s where the BRZ is at its best. It zips through the final 2,000rpm, feels keen and energetic and then, well, and then there’s the noise. We have high hopes…

Of course, it sounds different. This Boxer doesn’t chunter and warble like an old Impreza, it’s a smoother note than that, still slightly off-beat and noisy enough without being intrusive. It’s not Honda Type-R addictive, but it’s a plus, a whack more interesting to listen to than any four cylinder turbo you care to mention (VW Scirocco? Renaultsport Megane? Mini Cooper S?). It makes this a fun engine to use, but it’s not the best thing about the car.

Because the best thing is the handling. The BRZ steers like it has no weight to deal with. It doesn’t appear to roll, pitch or dive. It’s neither nose nor tail heavy, just a sense of the front and rear working in perfect harmony. You steer, it goes and when the grip runs out (it was pouring with rain in Japan), the BRZ is almost totally neutral. And you get so much warning of when that’s about to happen. I was nervous when I found out it had electric power steering, but this has to be about the best system I’ve tried – the springy weighting is lovely and real sensations are fed back into your hands.

How best to describe it as an overall package? Keen. Eager. It’s not puppy-ish in its enthusiasm, it’s a bit more measured than that, but it’s a lot of fun. Easily better to drive than a VW Scirocco; more agile and rewarding than any Audi TT. It may not have the lungs on a Nissan 370Z, but it’s way more dextrous and I can’t think of any hot hatch except possibly the Renaultsport Clio that provides as much satisfaction.

You can still tell that it’s a Subaru at heart – not just in the engine, but the steering and manual gearbox – but it’s like they’ve let Lotus loose on the chassis. Well, almost. The light frame does get a bit thrown by big bumps, but it never feels unnerving, instead it inspires confidence.

The manual gearbox is really good – mechanical and precise – and the six-speed auto is better than expected. It’s not a double clutch, but it’s just fast enough and intelligent enough to justify its presence in a sports car.

Any other criticisms? Well, being honest, the BRZ seems slightly out of step with other rivals. Subaru has ditched the turbo just as others have adopted it, it’s available with an unfashionable auto rather than a double clutch, the biggest wheels are likely to be 17s, there’s no adaptive damping or any other chassis trickery. But does this matter? It will to some buyers, just as the styling is too plain to tempt others. But if you enjoy driving, if you relish the thought of a compact rear-drive coupe, this is the car for you. Roughly 1,000 per year will come to the UK, starting in June, with prices from around £26,000-28,000.

Hachiroku 12-03-2011 04:15 PM

Another great compliment for the car's EPS which should put many members at ease :

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I was nervous when I found out it had electric power steering, but this has to be about the best system I’ve tried – the springy weighting is lovely and real sensations are fed back into your hands.
:clap::thumbup:

The same has also been said in the EVO Toyota 86 review @ http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2595

Giccin 12-03-2011 04:15 PM

Yes... YESSSSSSSSS. O_O

Edit: Hachi are you ware that people want to know who you are? Possibly a cat... I know it..

DuMa 12-03-2011 04:17 PM

good review. cant wait for Top Gear TV to review this however

Guff 12-03-2011 04:19 PM

Hmmm, it was leaning towards positive, but it didn't give too much in either way.

I can't wait for one of the trio to test it. I think Clarkson will like it because he loves drifting around things, but he'll definitely say it needs more POWAAAAA.

Hammond, will probably love it, because he's small and he likes good handling cars.

May will probably just complain about how plain the interior is. Although, he'll probably like the understated styling.


I CANNOT WAIT for TG to come back on!! :bellyroll:

Hachiroku 12-03-2011 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 89562)
Yes... YESSSSSSSSS. O_O

Edit: Hachi are you ware that people want to know who you are? Possibly a cat... I know it..

I'm Hachi ?? :iono::slap::bonk: :D


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3413/...092051de4a.jpg

aliphian 12-03-2011 04:44 PM

I can't wait to see this car on the show. Judging by the reviews it seems that Toyota/Subaru have hit a home run.

tranzformer 12-03-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hachiroku (Post 89566)


You got great hair.

WingsofWar 12-03-2011 04:46 PM

cant wait for top gear presenters to give it a go

Ryephile 12-03-2011 04:51 PM

FYI: Ollie Marriage also writes regularly for EVO magazine, meaning he "gets it". He does seem to get wrapped up a bit in the statistics in his article, but still manages to get the driving experience across.

Yet another very positive review. Have we read a bad one yet?! :)

tranzformer 12-03-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 89585)
cant wait for top gear presenters to give it a go

This. Hopefully it isn't James May. Hammond or Clarkson.

Guff 12-03-2011 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryephile (Post 89591)
FYI: Ollie Marriage also writes regularly for EVO magazine, meaning he "gets it". He does seem to get wrapped up a bit in the statistics in his article, but still manages to get the driving experience across.

Yet another very positive review. Have we read a bad one yet?! :)

That's the awesome thing! There hasn't been one bad review yet!!! :party0030:

Damn! They did it right!! I feel like I don't even need to test drive it. Just throw some cash in the dealers face, grab the nearest car and GTFO to the nearest track!! :D

tranzformer 12-03-2011 04:58 PM

I am still interested why we haven't learned more about Yamaha's role in the engine. Have we read anything recently that mentions their role?

aliphian 12-03-2011 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 89598)
I am still interested why we haven't learned more about Yamaha's role in the engine. Have we read anything recently that mentions their role?

That's a good question. Was their involvement ever anything more than mere speculation?

tranzformer 12-03-2011 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by aliphian (Post 89599)
That's a good question. Was their involvement ever anything more than mere speculation?

Nothing from the Tokyo or LA special reveal or test drive reports mention it. You would think if it was there it would be mentioned?

aliphian 12-03-2011 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 89601)
Nothing from the Tokyo or LA special reveal or test drive reports mention it. You would think if it was there it would be mentioned?

It seems like everyone in on the production of this car is trying to take credit for everything lol. If we hear anything about Yamaha's involvement it will have to come from Yamaha directly. :lol:

Ikaros 12-03-2011 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hachiroku (Post 89558)
Roughly 1,000 per year will come to the UK, starting in June, with prices from around £26,000-28,000.

There's that 1,000 per year thing again O.O

It would be awesome if they do an episode with all 3 versions of the car. Jermey would get the GT86, James the BRZ and Richard the FR-S.

dalli 12-03-2011 05:10 PM

They kept saying the styling is too plain

what you think of that Hachi? I mean your one of the few who saw this in real life, I want to know what you think.

Eldorian 12-03-2011 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dalli (Post 89612)
They kept saying the styling is too plain

This confuses me too. I like the styling. Cars from the oughties were too busy. This is like a throwback to the much better looking Japanese sports cars from the 90s.

ZetaVI 12-03-2011 05:25 PM

Always intriguing what Top Gear has to say..

Matador 12-03-2011 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 89592)
This. Hopefully it isn't James May. Hammond or Clarkson.


Hammond has a serious hard on for this car. Pretty sure he'll review it. Maybe they will get both a GT86 and a BRZ at the same time and both Hammond and Clarkson will have a go?

DuMa 12-03-2011 05:49 PM

i doubt top gear will review both cars. theyre exactly the same driving-wise. best chance of both cars on the show is having them both in the hangar. then again they both are literally twins on the exterior so i cant see that being too likely. it'll be too redundant for them.

that being said, i hope JC reviews the car. hammond and may's reviews are usually boring compared to jezza's

torquemada 12-03-2011 05:54 PM

Hammond is the only one that will fit in the car, so better he than Clarkson

Eldorian 12-03-2011 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by torquemada (Post 89655)
Hammond is the only one that will fit in the car, so better he than Clarkson

Clarkson has been in the Miata. He was even in a second gen Miata in the Middle East special.

He'll fit.

Yenadar 12-03-2011 05:58 PM

So much Déjà vu...

Reads like an RX-8 review :)

Eldorian 12-03-2011 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Yenadar (Post 89665)
So much Déjà vu...

Reads like an RX-8 review :)

Hehehe yeah.

Hopefully, 3 years down the line, the engine doesn't have the same rep. Mine is getting awfully close to 100k miles, and I get worried when I take it on a long road trip to my parents' house in Missouri.

DuMa 12-03-2011 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Eldorian (Post 89658)
Clarkson has been in the Miata. He was even in a second gen Miata in the Middle East special.

He'll fit.

this but he will no doubt make some wisecrack about not being able to get in/out correctly. frankly i like jezza's reviews simply because hes my height. so i can get a realistic idea of how the fit is, if i didnt know beforehand

LionZoo 12-03-2011 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yenadar (Post 89665)
So much Déjà vu...

Reads like an RX-8 review :)

This car really is a smaller, less practical RX-8 that gets better gas mileage. Put another way, it's a Miata 2+2 coupe. I will miss the feel of the rotary engine though...

Eldorian 12-03-2011 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LionZoo (Post 89765)
This car really is a smaller, less practical RX-8 that gets better gas mileage. Put another way, it's a Miata 2+2 coupe. I will miss the feel of the rotary engine though...

Since I've owned both a Miata and an RX-8, and so has Yenadar, it's no surprise we're interested heh.

I'm hoping that despite being less practical, it ends up being more reliable. My Miata just needed gas and some oil changes, and it ran like a clock.

Mari0 12-03-2011 10:55 PM

Awesome review. Just wanted to point some things out:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hachiroku (Post 89558)

Toyota has been responsible for the design (which certainly isn’t the most dynamic aspect of the car), and has lent its direct injection technology to the engine. Subaru has done pretty much everything else. Talking to the engineers you get the sense this is very much Subaru’s car...

You can still tell that it’s a Subaru at heart – not just in the engine, but the steering and manual gearbox – but it’s like they’ve let Lotus loose on the chassis. Well, almost. The light frame does get a bit thrown by big bumps, but it never feels unnerving, instead it inspires confidence.

The manual gearbox is really good – mechanical and precise – and the six-speed auto is better than expected. It’s not a double clutch, but it’s just fast enough and intelligent enough to justify its presence in a sports car.


Wait... weren't both the manual and auto gearboxes from Toyota? :bonk:

torquemada 12-03-2011 10:58 PM

well, the JDM STI for example has an excellent steering, not like the USDM or EDM STI.

Yenadar 12-03-2011 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Eldorian (Post 89772)
Since I've owned both a Miata and an RX-8, and so has Yenadar, it's no surprise we're interested heh.

I'm hoping that despite being less practical, it ends up being more reliable. My Miata just needed gas and some oil changes, and it ran like a clock.

I'm considering the BRZ as a Miata replacement, not an RX-8 replacement though, so it's a practicality gain. And a reliability gain. My Miata has been rather painful to own, including two engines lost (though admittedly the 2nd was just buying a bad junkyard engine).

Marrk 12-03-2011 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ikaros (Post 89609)
There's that 1,000 per year thing again O.O



What about that? Are they serious? Or are they hedging their bets in case the car falls on its face?

Experts, please chime in at will. :happy0180:

Eldorian 12-04-2011 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yenadar (Post 89918)
I'm considering the BRZ as a Miata replacement, not an RX-8 replacement though, so it's a practicality gain. And a reliability gain. My Miata has been rather painful to own, including two engines lost (though admittedly the 2nd was just buying a bad junkyard engine).

Woah. Bad luck on the Miata. I only own the one car right now, and until I get a more permanent job I can't really handle two cars, logistically, because I rent and don't have two parking places.

So this would be a loss of practicality. But, since the car is so much lower to the ground, it'll hopefully have that driving feel I miss from the Miata. I like the 8, but it's too upright for me.

Spaceywilly 12-04-2011 12:01 AM

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1000 per year will come to the UK
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coyote 12-04-2011 12:02 AM

Learn to read guys, that's 1000 just for the UK.

And Top Gear is a comedy show done by people who couldn't drive the proverbial greasy stick.

If you're actually interested in a quality review of how something drives (vs what Jeremy Clarkson decided before it even arrived), then 5th gear is far superior.

Marrk 12-04-2011 12:05 AM

I'm pretty sure I know how to read. Thank you. :bellyroll:

nrclptcnsmniak 12-04-2011 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuMa (Post 89650)
i doubt top gear will review both cars. theyre exactly the same driving-wise. best chance of both cars on the show is having them both in the hangar. then again they both are literally twins on the exterior so i cant see that being too likely. it'll be too redundant for them.

that being said, i hope JC reviews the car. hammond and may's reviews are usually boring compared to jezza's

i am pretty sure that the frs and brz are not exactly the same driving wise. they both have different direction in which they feel the car should handle. frs leaning more towards oversteer and drift and brz more towards grip. they will probably have different spring rates and sway bar sizes as well among other things.

pastuch 12-04-2011 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mari0 (Post 89886)
Awesome review. Just wanted to point some things out:

Wait... weren't both the manual and auto gearboxes from Toyota? :bonk:

Technically neither of them are from Toyota, they are both made by Aisin, though Toyota Motor Corp owns 51% of Aisin. Aisin is the largest transmission manufacturer on earth. The manual is the Aisin AZ6 and it's widely regarded as one of the best manual transmissions ever made. It's definitely my favorite. The Manual is a modified version of the same tranny that is in the S2000, Miata, RX8 and Altezza (IS).

Wikipedia:
"December 1997– AZ6 — 6-speed
Honda S2000, Mazda Miata/MX-5/Roadster, Mazda RX-8, Toyota Altezza/Lexus IS200"

Mari0 12-04-2011 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pastuch (Post 90346)
Technically neither of them are from Toyota, they are both made by Aisin, though Toyota Motor Corp owns 51% of Aisin. Aisin is the largest transmission manufacturer on earth. The manual is the Aisin AZ6 and it's widely regarded as one of the best manual transmissions ever made. It's definitely my favorite. The Manual is a modified version of the same tranny that is in the S2000, Miata, RX8 and Altezza (IS).

Wikipedia:
"December 1997– AZ6 — 6-speed
Honda S2000, Mazda Miata/MX-5/Roadster, Mazda RX-8, Toyota Altezza/Lexus IS200"

Thanks for the clarification. That still doesn't make the article right in claiming that it's Subaru's transmission. Yes, it's their gear shift on the outside, but like you said, Toyota owns 51% of Aisin, so if you are going to argue who did what...

Honestly, I couldn't care less. I see this car as both a Toyota and a Subaru and it won't make a difference (to me personally) when I am behind the wheel. I just find it interesting that people even bring that into light and make it into a debate: "oh they did this, they did that", especially on the Subaru side of things.


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