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Laika 01-12-2013 11:56 PM

Is my windshield scratched?
 
I've been dealing with this for about a month now, haven't been getting too annoyed but lately it's been raining more and I'm being driven completely insane by what looks like two arching scratches RIGHT in front of the drivers seat, in my direct field of view.

First I figured my windshield might just be dirty. Cleaned it with two laps of invisible glass. No go

Next, I wiped down my wiper blade with 15% IPA and then the windshield too.

Today my friend took a look at it and saw an absolute tiny spec of metallic dust on the blade. When I mean tiny I mean less than the width of the blade. We cleaned the blade and glass with invisible glass again making sure that spec was gone and looking for any others. Nothing. Hit the windshield with the hose and without even using the blades you could still make out the arching lines easily.

This is a bit questionable but we hit the windshield and wiper blade with a towel that we first sprayed brake clean onto. Repeated the hose test. Still seeing it.

If these marks were in front of the passenger seat I would have probably never even noticed it and if I did I sure as hell wouldn't go as far as posting about it for help. Thing is it's not in front of the passenger, it's right smack dab in the middle of my view.

Check out the picture, this is from when I first tried to clean the windshield with Invisible Glass. In the middle of me drying the windshield I snapped the picture to point out one of the marks, you can see others. Only two are visible blatantly while driving and they are about 3.5" apart. Just enough to make me angry enough for this long post

Does anyone have any ideas for me?

http://i.imgur.com/CTqmx.png

ravenblackfrs 01-13-2013 12:11 AM

I don't think there is anything you can do... but I'm in that boat with you. Used one of those squiggie things at the gas station trying to get bugs off the windshield... and now I have swirls... ;(

JP 01-13-2013 12:14 AM

Glass polish, eg http://www.glasspolish.com.au/shop/g...-polishing-kit

Laika 01-13-2013 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ravenblackfrs (Post 661697)
I don't think there is anything you can do... but I'm in that boat with you. Used one of those squiggie things at the gas station trying to get bugs off the windshield... and now I have swirls... ;(

:( I'm sorry to hear that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 661700)

Based on the description, I know my nail doesn't catch on it so this seems like the proper stuff to use. Unfortunately I don't have a PC (looks like it attaches to a PC at least). Thank you for the help.

If some sort of glass polish will be my only option I might just take the car to the dealer and see what their detail shop can do for me.

ravenblackfrs 01-13-2013 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 661700)


Might have to try it.

OrbitalEllipses 01-13-2013 02:19 AM

Pretty sure some small particulate scratched my windshield one time I uses the wipers. Crescent shaped scratch that follows the curve of my wipers appeared one day, without me touching the glass. Soft glass?

russv 01-13-2013 01:01 PM

Maybe try a little clay bar.

Burrcold 01-13-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by russv (Post 662326)
Maybe try a little clay bar.

Definitely try this! I had this happen on my 04 G35 Coupe, and it drove me INSANE. I tried everything, and finally used a claybar...it almost all came off. Then I used a bit of rain-x and rubbed it in. Went away completely and didn't come back.

I have no idea what caused it though to this day.

White Shadow 01-13-2013 01:12 PM

Had those same exact marks on the windshield of my 4Runner. I tried everything to get them out and nothing worked until I used cerium oxide. Now the glass is perfect again.

Jared0934 01-13-2013 04:39 PM

You don't have to go and get "glass polish"... I mean that stuff might work but, you could just take it to any detailer or use a PC w/ polish n a cutting pad and that should do the trick. Most small scratches on glass are easily fixed like that. Replacing the blades would probably be beneficial as well.

Laika 01-13-2013 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burrcold (Post 662339)
Definitely try this! I had this happen on my 04 G35 Coupe, and it drove me INSANE. I tried everything, and finally used a claybar...it almost all came off. Then I used a bit of rain-x and rubbed it in. Went away completely and didn't come back.

I have no idea what caused it though to this day.

This is a very good idea. I tried it but to basically no avail. I clayed it and sprayed the windshield with a hose every few minutes to keep it moist and to see the effects. By the end of claying there wasn't any water shedding from the area (first picture). I hit it with the Rain-X and that helped this quite a bit but the scratches are there just as bad as before (second picture). I really appreciate your help though.

http://i.imgur.com/KrgQe.png

http://i.imgur.com/bGSu4.png

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Originally Posted by Jared0934 (Post 662616)
You don't have to go and get "glass polish"... I mean that stuff might work but, you could just take it to any detailer or use a PC w/ polish n a cutting pad and that should do the trick. Most small scratches on glass are easily fixed like that. Replacing the blades would probably be beneficial as well.


Do you think your average OTC scratch polish (ex. Scratch-X) would work in this situation? I'm only worried of making matters worse with polish.

Edit: Based off this I think the answer to my question is: It will likely ruin the UV coating

2nd Edit: I can't get a consistent answer anywhere from googling.

What if I use toothpaste and a foam pad? I've been confident enough in the past to use toothpaste on camera lenses that cost several times more than my windshield but suddenly I'm more cautious about everything.

Jared0934 01-13-2013 09:04 PM

OTC is okay, megs scratch-x is alright to use as well. I always recommend starting polish with a microfiber cloth starting with little pressure and working it into about 8-12lbs pressure. You can spread the polish by tracing small circles but when you work it in only us straight lines back and forth back and forth.

If the microfiber polish doesn't work, then take it up a notch and use a megs microfiber pads on a PC. Most of these solutions like clay barring and whatnot are good but they are only removing the cause of the friction, they won't polish out the glass back to smooth.

I wouldn't be worried about the UV. I'm pretty sure whatever UV protection is in the gel not on the surface of the glass. Windows are exposed to too many chemicals, be it man-made or natural.

If you do all of that and it still doesn't look like it's fixed. I would say take it to a glass specialist and call a company and show them the pictures you have. Most minor scratches can always be blended so I'm confident you can polish it out.

Laika 01-13-2013 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jared0934 (Post 663054)
....Most minor scratches can always be blended so I'm confident you can polish it out.


For the time being, I am very confident this can be fixed. From what I've read, the rule of thumb seems to be if the scratch doesn't catch on your finger nail as you go over it, it should be easy to remove. Not only does this scratch not catch on anything, you can't even see the scratches till the surrounding part of the windshield is wet.

I'm going to give it a shot with some scratch-x and a MF towel. No one on the internet seems to want to put up an ingredients list of any of the scratch removers/polishing compounds I have at home. I was hoping something had cerium oxide.

Laika 01-13-2013 10:21 PM

My fingers are crossed. @Jared0934 I think I owe you a beer. I'll have a better idea tomorrow morning but a few passes of Scratch-X 2.0 seem to have done the trick. I did a "scratch test" by spraying the area with Invisible Glass and the most annoying lines that were dead center seem to be gone.

http://i.imgur.com/qkKCk.png

gmookher 01-13-2013 10:39 PM

0000 wool?

Jared0934 01-15-2013 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laika (Post 663281)
My fingers are crossed. @Jared0934 I think I owe you a beer. I'll have a better idea tomorrow morning but a few passes of Scratch-X 2.0 seem to have done the trick. I did a "scratch test" by spraying the area with Invisible Glass and the most annoying lines that were dead center seem to be gone.


I'm still honestly not 100% on this scratch x stuff working but, I'm rooting for you brother! If it hasn't already been done, please replace your windshield wipers they are clearly compromised at this point.

I only say because I've never used it, I guess people who are used to compounds and PC/Rotary stick to it because it's what we're confident get's results. If this scratch-X stuff doesn't work LMK and I'll do a little more research on in home supplies you can use.

Something that just came to mind is white vinegar. That stuff has worked wonders on build ups that are invisible to the eye but things that iron-x and clay barring haven't removed. If the scratch repair stuff doesn't work it could simply be because there is something inside the scratch thats not allowing it to blend over and be polished down. Calcium build up, fallout, acid...could be a million different things--- Just another idea.


You know worst case scenario I'm sure if you talk to them right, you could put the weight on toyota making them feel as it was a manufacture defect, maybe something was wrong with the wiper blades and shouldn't have passed inspection.

EDIT 1

Toothpaste Repair
http://www.ehow.com/how_4811592_repa...hed-glass.html

Nail Polish / Metal Polish
http://www.ehow.co.uk/how_5858527_fi...ane-glass.html

Eye Glass Repairs

http://www.livestrong.com/article/17...ading-glasses/
Oxide/Glycerin mix
http://www.essortment.com/yourself-r...hes-12056.html
Also found while reading a few other tips from jewlers, crafters, hobbyists and furniture repair (glass/clearcoated furniture) and here's a few key points I saw you could also try out.

  1. Fingernails only catch on abrasions deeper than 0.004 inches. Anything past this and it's beyond conventional repair and unfortunately does need professional service.
  2. Before attempting any repair on glass, make sure it is clear. (Mineral Spirits, ect)
  3. Never use water to wash away compounds
  4. Teeth Whitening NON-gel toothpaste can be used as a compound because of the delicate "grits" within the paste act just like any other compound.
  5. Equal parts of Iron Oxide, Glycerine, and Water may be used to concoct a home made compound. (Iron Oxide can be found is hobby stores and jewler stores under the name of Jewlers Rogue or Polishing Rogue. Remember to only use RED jewlers rogue.)

BadCompany235 01-15-2013 01:43 PM

Pretty sure that's small enough for a regular I insurance repair.... Most small r repairs are free

pyro530 01-15-2013 01:53 PM

x2 on polishing the glass.
Big fan of this stuff: http://www.bio-cleanproducts.com/sto...remover-52-oz/

JonnyRocket 01-15-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jared0934 (Post 666530)
(Iron Oxide can be found is hobby stores and jewler stores under the name of Jewlers Rogue or Polishing Rogue. Remember to only use RED jewlers rogue.

Not trying to be a ****, but it's Jeweler's "ROUGE".

Laika 01-16-2013 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared0934 (Post 666530)
I'm still honestly not 100% on this scratch x stuff working but, I'm rooting for you brother! If it hasn't already been done, please replace your windshield wipers they are clearly compromised at this point.



I got fed up with trying to clean it and just called my dealership to schedule an appointment. They asked me to come in right away since it isn't raining at this moment but probably will over the next few days.

Long story short, I love my dealership. Cleaned the windshield with an ammonia based cleaner, looks spotless now. They even swapped out the wiper blades for me.


And they gave me a super rare BRZ pin ;)


http://i.imgur.com/c5Ctv.png

Laika 02-11-2013 08:03 PM

:mad0260:


It's back.


http://i.imgur.com/sLUEITh.png

http://i.imgur.com/Ii9CGDv.png

Doesn't seem like a huge deal till you try to look out from inside....

http://i.imgur.com/QGOtwnt.png

It just looks like there's a layer of grease on the windshield. I haven't used ANY chemicals on the windshield since I went to the dealership in my previous post and had them clean it (Which turned out fine for a few weeks).

Dropping off my car at the dealership wednesday, giving them a full day on thursday to fix this. I really hope they don't tell me a windshield replacement is my only option. Unless someone can tell me I shouldn't be too worried about a professional windshield job?

jrodz09 02-11-2013 09:52 PM

Keep us posted! I washed my car on Saturday and same thing came up on my windshield after I sprayed Rain X glass cleaner and used microfiber towels. :/

DookDookDGM 02-12-2013 09:28 PM

steel wool and a good industrial glass cleaner can do wonders sometimes. use that, then towel off with a glass cloth.

Porsche 02-12-2013 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laika (Post 669992)
I love my dealership. Cleaned the windshield with an ammonia based cleaner, looks spotless now.

So... it's not scratched, and never was?

If so, I'd guess that it was mineral deposits from hard water. They can often look like scratches. Vinegar will often remove such "stains." And I've found that an application of Rain-X will often clean it up, too.

Laika 02-12-2013 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche (Post 731373)
So... it's not scratched, and never was?

If so, I'd guess that it was mineral deposits from hard water. They can often look like scratches. Vinegar will often remove such "stains." And I've found that an application of Rain-X will often clean it up, too.

Oh it was scratched alright, I fixed the scratches with help from members here.

Vinegar, clay bar, and rain x have all been tried.

Something is just wrong with the coating on the windshield at this point. The drivers side simply doesn't shed any water. Just a big grease trap. If it was an older car without warranty I would have bothered handling it myself with a strong nonpolar solvent like methyl ethyl ketone. I'd rather let Subaru deal with this.


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