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wdninja 01-12-2013 02:26 AM

DIY Tail Light Gasket
 
After having tail light condensation issues with both the stock tail lights and the Colin smoked aftermarket tail lights, I closely inspected the stock gasket. It's a thin, flimsy piece of crap. So, I decided to make my own (better in theory) gaskets and try them out. Here's what I did.

Required Items:
  • Cardboard to cut on.
  • (1) 12"x12" (30.5cmx30.5cm) sheet of 1/4" (~6mm) thick neoprene foam. That's enough for 2 gaskets. I happened to order a whole roll of the stuff.
  • Cutting tools. Kitchen shears, good scissors, utility knife, samurai sword - anything that you can cut cleanly and accurately with will do.
  • Skewer/toothpick/pick tool. Something to puncture the foam with for the housing mounting posts to go through.
  • Sharpie
  • Some kind of gasket maker or Weatherstrip Adhesive. I'm using "3M Auto Black Superstrength Weatherstrip Adhesive." A 1oz (29,5mL) tube will do.
  • Refreshing beverage. Lagunitas Cappuccino Stout was my beverage of choice.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...UIzTnZBVDR1Q0k


Step 1:
Print out my handy dandy FR-S/GT-86/BRZ tail light gasket template file and cut it out.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz3...y03Tng5eG9aUXM

Bizarro Step 1:
Remove your tail lights (plenty of tutorials floating around for this, such as http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ve+tail+lights from DarrenDriven ... though he says 10mm nuts when he means 8mm nuts) and remove the POS gaskets. Trace them yourself, feeling accomplished while simultaneously guilty for wasting the time I put into tracing the templates already. I'm not bitter - moving on.

Step 2:
Trace the gasket onto your foam sheet using your Sharpie.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...Eh0TnNPdnNmRTg

Step 3:
Cut the traced shape out of the foam using your favorite cutting tool. I preferred the heavy duty kitchen shears. (Disclaimer: Attempting to use the aforementioned samurai sword could result in 10-15 minutes of wasted time cutting through random cardboard boxes, etc. instead of finishing this DIY.)

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...k90NXlnbXpiZVk

Step 4:
Puncture the foam with your pick to let the tail light housing mounting posts through.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...lAzX0hfRjJoZU0

Step 5:
Remove tail lights (refer to Bizarro Step 1 for a link to a tutorial).

Step 6:
Fit your gasket onto your tail light housing, trim any spots that need it, then remove it to apply the adhesive.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...0VBVUhiVkxvSW8

Step 7:
Apply weatherstrip adhesive around the lip of the tail light housing where the gasket makes the seal. If you look at your stock gaskets you'll see the line. Then, put the gasket on the housings, pushing them down onto the mounting posts and against the newly adhesive'd lip. Press the gasket against the housing all the way around to make sure the seal is made with the adhesive. Double check that there are no gaps before re-installing the tail lights.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...EViUXlqQ3hMMEU

Step 8:
Re-install tail lights. Don't over-tighten the 8mm nuts.

Resources:
I ordered my neoprene foam from Foam Factory http://www.foambymail.com/. Shipping took 3-5 days. I got my 3M Black Superstrength Weatherstrip Adhesive from Advance Auto Parts.

Update:
After using these custom gaskets on both my OEM tail lights and my aftermarket Colin Smoked tail lights, I'm happy to report that no further condensation/fogging/leaking has occurred whatsoever. Success!

Thanks!

wdninja 01-12-2013 02:52 PM

I re-installed the stock tail lights with the new gaskets. I ran a bead of adhesive along the lip, then pushed the gasket down on top of it. It formed a nice seal all along the edge. It feels much more substantial than the stock gasket.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...2dzLXdreVVaeTA

gmookher 01-12-2013 03:03 PM

how does it look from outside, thats a significant gasket

Asphalt~86 01-12-2013 03:08 PM

It's the biggest gasket I have seen in a while

wdninja 01-12-2013 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmookher (Post 660878)
how does it look from outside, thats a significant gasket

It looks no different than stock. The macro shots may be deceiving. The stock gasket is 3/16" (4.76mm) thick. The new gasket is 1/4" (6.35mm) thick. The big change is in the compression of the material and the seal. The stock material gets really compressed once the seal is formed and it doesn't recover. The new neoprene material doesn't get compressed as easily, so it provides a better seal.

Stock gasket on top of the new gasket material:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...lBjQ1gtME1SM0E

civicdrivr 01-14-2013 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdninja (Post 660322)
Trace them yourself, feeling accomplished while simultaneously guilty for wasting the time I put into tracing the templates already. I'm not bitter - moving on.

:bellyroll:

Nice DIY :thumbsup:

gchin 01-14-2013 09:33 PM

Nice work!

wdninja 01-15-2013 08:45 PM

I'm happy to report that after a car wash and 3 solid days of hard rain, the stock tail lights have zero internal fogging or condensation with these DIY gaskets.

With the stock gaskets, the same set of tail lights would have fogging/condensation after every rain or car wash.

I have a ton of this foam left over, so if anyone wants a set of these gaskets with which to experiment and provide feedback, PM me.

EBMCS03 01-16-2013 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdninja (Post 667637)
I'm happy to report that after a car wash and 3 solid days of hard rain, the stock tail lights have zero internal fogging or condensation with these DIY gaskets.

With the stock gaskets, the same set of tail lights would have fogging/condensation after every rain or car wash.

I have a ton of this foam left over, so if anyone wants a set of these gaskets with which to experiment and provide feedback, PM me.

Can you cut me a set and toss it in the mail box to me? I'll PayPal you the $2 shipping. Haha heck does it fit in a $0.45 letter envelop?

Cody 01-25-2013 07:57 PM

Hey, out of curiosity how did you get the water/ condensation out without cutting the lights back open?? I am getting water in mine because the water goes under the vanity guard. I cut the lights open to paint them and thought siliconing around the gasket would fix it, it didn't, so i ordered the foam. I just don't want to have to recut and close the lights.......

wdninja 01-26-2013 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cody (Post 689714)
Hey, out of curiosity how did you get the water/ condensation out without cutting the lights back open?? I am getting water in mine because the water goes under the vanity guard. I cut the lights open to paint them and thought siliconing around the gasket would fix it, it didn't, so i ordered the foam. I just don't want to have to recut and close the lights.......

I never opened my tail light housings up. I had the luxury of having 2 sets of tails to swap back and forth, so the stock ones had plenty of time to evaporate and dry out before I reinstalled them with the new gaskets.

PNW FRS 01-26-2013 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cody (Post 689714)
Hey, out of curiosity how did you get the water/ condensation out without cutting the lights back open?? I am getting water in mine because the water goes under the vanity guard. I cut the lights open to paint them and thought siliconing around the gasket would fix it, it didn't, so i ordered the foam. I just don't want to have to recut and close the lights.......

For another car I have that had this issue, I did the following to dry out the housing. We have an upright clothes dryer that has a shoe rack. I put this in, put the housing on the rack and ran the dryer on low heat for as long as it took for the moisture to evaporate. YMMV

Shagaliscious 01-27-2013 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdninja (Post 690524)
I never opened my tail light housings up. I had the luxury of having 2 sets of tails to swap back and forth, so the stock ones had plenty of time to evaporate and dry out before I reinstalled them with the new gaskets.

Wait, so this is doable with just removing the taillights? No need to open them up? That is good news!

Huehuecoyotl 01-27-2013 11:26 AM

Does it solve condensate problem ?

wdninja 01-27-2013 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl (Post 692472)
Does it solve condensate problem ?

The new gaskets fixed it for me, yes.

Roborat 01-27-2013 12:40 PM

I had some condensation in my tails and the dealer replaced them. No questions asked. I just think its kinda crazy to have to fix something yourself that should be fixed by the manufacturer. Hell you didn't screw up the tails!

wdninja 01-27-2013 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roborat (Post 692587)
I had some condensation in my tails and the dealer replaced them. No questions asked. I just think its kinda crazy to have to fix something yourself that should be fixed by the manufacturer. Hell you didn't screw up the tails!

I agree that it's crazy to have to fix it yourself, but I'd rather spend a few bucks and an hour of effort ONCE for a fix that actually works rather than having to make multiple trips to the dealer, wait for the car/leave it there, etc. just to receive the same shitty gaskets again.

Lonewolf 01-27-2013 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdninja (Post 692601)
I agree that it's crazy to have to fix it yourself, but I'd rather spend a few bucks and an hour of effort ONCE for a fix that actually works rather than having to make multiple trips to the dealer, wait for the car/leave it there, etc. just to receive the same shitty gaskets again.

It might be too late, but do you have any pics of the stock gaskets?

Cody 01-27-2013 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PNW FRS (Post 690765)
For another car I have that had this issue, I did the following to dry out the housing. We have an upright clothes dryer that has a shoe rack. I put this in, put the housing on the rack and ran the dryer on low heat for as long as it took for the moisture to evaporate. YMMV

I was thinking if drilling a hole in the bottom to let it dry and then using a blow dryer. I opened the lights to paint them black, but moisture is coming from the stock gasket... Tested it.
You would think that when they make something that allows the whole trunk to fill with water they would fix it..... My entire trunk is soaked bc the water goes under the vanity guard... And through the holes in the frame .. Water is getting in the tails through the big red brake light hole....to me this seems like a manufacturer screw up.

Cody 01-27-2013 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonewolf (Post 692762)
It might be too late, but do you have any pics of the stock gaskets?

When i make my new gaskets ill take a pic of the stock gasket for you.

wdninja 01-27-2013 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonewolf (Post 692762)
It might be too late, but do you have any pics of the stock gaskets?

I still have them, yes. I'll take some pics later tonight.

wdninja 01-27-2013 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonewolf (Post 692762)
It might be too late, but do you have any pics of the stock gaskets?

Here you go.

Stock Gaskets:
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...2ZJUjJ1X2pOTDA

Phaedrus29 02-08-2013 04:08 PM

Just installed a new set of gaskets (which I got from wdninja) on my Colin tails. The gaskets fit nicely and look like better material...and I think the weatherstrip adhesive should do the trick. :clap:

Now I'm definitely less worried about ruining my new tail lights with condensation. I'll report back if I do end up with any condensation issues.

RebornS14 03-12-2013 09:56 PM

i just bought mine at the dealer.

84940CA020 RH Gasket
84940CA030 LH Gasket

they were $10.00 each

Phaedrus29 03-12-2013 10:34 PM

I got better and cheaper ones from wdninja! :happy0180:
(He did cheap out and failed to send me a Lagunitas Cappuccino Stout.)

Still no condensation issues btw!

stilletto 03-12-2013 10:41 PM

Nice Write-Up! PM'd!

MrBodyMassage 03-18-2013 01:21 AM

Installed these 2 weeks ago. Still bone dry!

Superhatch 03-18-2013 01:08 PM

Thanks so much for putting this up as a DIY. I'm reserved to not go back to the dealership for this again, and I was going to start digging into a solution I could do on my own. I just ordered my foam and will be following your DIY when it comes in!

Myv 03-18-2013 08:46 PM

Thanks for this, definitely doing this when it gets warmer.

foxhu 03-21-2013 01:35 AM

THANK you i've been looking for a diy for this!@!@! gonna do it when the weather is warmer!@!@! I can't bring it back to the dealer they will just gonna blame on the accident that i had before....

dem00n 03-23-2013 01:32 PM

Just installed my gaskets from wdninja.

Lets see if this works! I'll update you guys in June/may when its warm.

Mike86CelicaGTS 03-28-2013 06:46 PM

Just downloaded the Gasket templet but its 21 inches.
Can I get one to scale?
Please...

:thanks::thanks::thanks::thanks:

GNS 03-28-2013 10:20 PM

What sword do you have? Hanwei, or?

SubieNate 03-28-2013 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cody (Post 693026)
I was thinking if drilling a hole in the bottom to let it dry and then using a blow dryer. I opened the lights to paint them black, but moisture is coming from the stock gasket... Tested it.
You would think that when they make something that allows the whole trunk to fill with water they would fix it..... My entire trunk is soaked bc the water goes under the vanity guard... And through the holes in the frame .. Water is getting in the tails through the big red brake light hole....to me this seems like a manufacturer screw up.

Collect a couple silica gel packets from shoeboxes etc. and tape them onto the end of a piece of coathanger. stick it into one of the holes for the bulbs and leave it for a bit. It'll dry it right out.

Cheers
Nathan

wdninja 03-29-2013 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike86CelicaGTS (Post 825447)
Just downloaded the Gasket templet but its 21 inches.
Can I get one to scale?
Please...

:thanks::thanks::thanks::thanks:

Here, try this. Print to "actual size":
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...y03Tng5eG9aUXM

civicdrivr 04-02-2013 02:46 PM

Thanks again Chris for stopping by this weekend. So far, no foggy lamps.

I did however forget to plug in the pass side lamp :bellyroll:

wdninja 04-02-2013 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civicdrivr (Post 836123)
Thanks again Chris for stopping by this weekend. So far, no foggy lamps.

I did however forget to plug in the pass side lamp :bellyroll:

You're not alone in that. I was getting frustrated that my Colin tails weren't working at first and I didn't have it plugged in. :D

BatStig 04-15-2013 12:18 PM

A handful of rainy days and a few cold morning and so far my tails are dry as a bone!

Thanks you very much for the gaskets.

wdninja 04-15-2013 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apocalypso (Post 866509)
A handful of rainy days and a few cold morning and so far my tails are dry as a bone! Thanks you very much for the gaskets.

No problem, glad to help.

dem00n 05-02-2013 11:18 PM

WELL.

It didn't work.

My driver side tail has lots of water, the right gets it sometimes.

I did the thicker gaskets, even did the adhesive all around the DIY said.

I'll check the sealing again, but it was perfect when i put it in...


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