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Quantum 12-02-2011 06:16 PM

Motor Trend First Drive Review: 2013 Subaru BRZ
 
Here's my source. :)
Cheers,
Hong

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First Drive: 2013 Subaru BRZ

December 02, 2011
By Edward Loh

Two days after the official unveiling of the all-new BRZ sports coupe at the Tokyo Motor Show, Subaru invited a small group of select U.S. journalists for a quick test drive of the 2013 Subaru BRZ at the Subaru Kenkyo Center (SKC) two hours north of Tokyo.

After revealing that the BRZ name stands for Boxer Rear Drive Zenith, and plying us with all manner of technical specifications, Subaru P.R. released us on a short course that included a high-speed oval, twisty handling track, and a section of broken tarmac. We were given a few 15-minute stints with two U.S.-production models: a high-spec BRZ Limited equipped with the optional six-speed automatic transmission and a base model BRZ Premium with the standard six-speed manual.

BRZ Limited with 6-Speed Automatic
When the start button mounted just ahead of the gear selector knob is pushed, the BRZ comes to life with a growl that settles into a smooth, burbling exhaust note. But when the car is opened up on the banked oval, the note coarsens into something more animalistic. However, it's not the braaap-braapp flatulence you might expect from, say, the WRX STI. This is a bit more sedate, yet pleasant in the way it resonates throughout the ****pit. Credit goes to supplier Mahle for piping the boxer engine note through the bulkhead in a manner similar to what Ford engineers did with the Mustang. At wide-open throttle, the pipe brings in a pleasing roar, loud enough that you'll be shouting to your buddy sitting next to you, "SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT?"

The steering wheel is small, just 14.4 inches in diameter, and the smallest of any modern Subaru. But the shape and diameter is just right - thick enough given the small size, but oversize and doughy like the ones in recent BMW M cars. The steering wheel is covered in black leather with red contrast stitching to match the dark interior. An obviously Toyota parts-bin cruise control lever hangs off the right side of the wheel, and there are no other controls, giving the wheel sanitary look that compliments the center stack and instrument panel.

Feedback from the tiller is immediate and natural, which is a relief since it is an electric power-assisted steering (EPAS) system. The feel is not as light as an MX-5, yet provides none of the artificial heft of Audi's Dynamic mode (thank goodness). It's just clean and organic-feeling. It is not as precise or direct as one of the handling targets (Porsche Cayman), but it's close enough to its boxer brethren to be mentioned in the same breath. The same cannot be said of everything else in what Subaru claims is the BRZ's competitive set: Mini Cooper S, Civic Si, Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Miata MX-5, and of course Scion FR-S.

Outward visibility is excellent, even though the driver sits low in a package not much longer than a Mazda MX-5. The FA20 engine, a 2.0-liter flat-four variant of the new Impreza FB family, is mounted as low and as far back as possible in the chassis, which improves everything from handling to outward sightlines, thanks to the low hood and cowl heights.

The optional Aisin-derived six-speed automatic trans is good enough, but surpassed in shift speed and response by today's dual clutches. Up- and downshifts are appreciably quick for an automatic via the steering-wheel-mounted paddles (metallic painted plastic) or slotting the shift lever towards you and toggling back and forth. But the car won't always give up a downshift upon demand; instead, a beep-beep warning is heard.

Still, the overarching sensation through the hands, butt, and inner ear is superb balance. To keep the center of gravity (CoG) low, BRZ engineers put lighter, higher-strength steel high up in the body. Moving from the oval to the winding track reveals the benefits of both low mass and CoG, as there is little brake or accel dive and almost zero roll when cornering.

That is not to say push is entirely absent. Apparently, for safety reasons, understeer is the default condition when you get sloppy. It's easy to induce through early turn-in, which causes the front outside tire to roll over and howl unhappily as the nose plows.

As a credit to the BRZ's balance, oversteer is a cinch to find as well. Flick the wheel while adding too much throttle, and the back end will break away in a progressive, predictable fashion. Yes, BRZ will dorifuto, but more on that later.

An early surprise is how aggressively the stability control intervenes in normal driving mode. The car has been criminally smooth until this point, but once the tail begins to get unsettled, things get a bit rough. In normal mode (all traction and stability controls left on), the primary response is the quick and noisy application of brake to the inside rear wheel. Dragging this tire helps kill the initial rotation and brings the car back in line, albeit in a noisy, staccato fashion. BRZ engineers say the secondary response is reduced throttle response, but that is harder to sense.

Traction and stability control algorithms are governed by three buttons mounted just behind the shifter in 6AT-equipped BRZs. (Manuals lose the center Sport/Snow button.) With one touch, the left button partial turns off stability control; when held down for 3 seconds, it turns off completely. As you'd expect, the latter is a must for wannabe drifters.

In automatic BRZs, pushing the sport/snow mode rocker switch forward turns on a yellow SPORT light in the instrument panel and sharpens the throttle map and shift algorithm, resulting in quicker shifts and lower gears held to higher RPMs. What sport mode doesn't affect is EPAS or throttle response. Toggling the rocker switch back to snow mode starts the transmission in second gear, reducing wheel slippage in low-grip conditions.

Punching the rightmost button engages Sport VSC mode. This activates a combination of stability/sport indicator lights on the gauge cluster and lets you hang the car's tail out a touch, via steering angle, yaw rate, and lateral G sensors that forecast the vehicle's position. If that future looks too sideways, brake and throttle cut precautions engage. In practice, it's the best mode for spirited road courses like the SKC handling track. This twisty second/third-gear course had several tight low-speed turns and a couple of nasty mid-corner bumps that conspired to unsettle the BRZ. Sport VSC caught it every time, with a more progressive engagement of stability control over the normal mode.

BRZ Premium with 6-speed manual
As good as the BRZ auto is (and it's very impressive), I'm glad I drove it first, because the Premium model with the standard six-speed manual is the purist's delight.

But check your purists preconceptions at the door, because this ain't no stripper model. Perhaps as a nod to Scion's content-cramming technique, all BRZ models come standard with a limited-slip differential; cruise control; eight-speaker audio system with navigation and XM radio; leather-wrapped steering wheel, shift knob, and e-brake handle; soft-touch dash; and black fabric trim. Step up from base Premium spec to Limited, and you get leather/Alcantara seats and surfaces, 17-inch wheels with summer tires (instead of 16s with all-seasons), vented 16-inch disc brakes up front, and vented 15-inchs at the rear (as opposed to solid 15-inch discs all around).

But back to how it drives. Ergonomics play a bigger factor in the manual as your right hand must frequently leave the wheel to engage the six-speed trans. Shifter position and feel is excellent, lighter yet tighter, and far less rubbery than the WRX STI's hand-built gearbox (the two share the shift knob and lever arm). To be fair, the latter is built for the abuse of a much heavier, 300-hp rally racer. In terms of weighting and crispness, the BRZ is mighty impressive, though I'd still give the Mazda MX-5 the nod in terms of near-perfect positioning.

Why do we still love manuals so much? Because direct control over the transmission allows the driver to really ring out the RPMs and fill the BRZ's cabin with arguably the best exhaust note a Subaru has ever produced. It's loud and not particularly smooth, but completely beguiling and perhaps the beefiest-sounding 200-horsepower four-cylinder engine note around.

Manuals also encourage drag launches and other hooliganism. With VSC Sport on, one-two shifts near the 7400 RPM redline will loudly chirp rear tires. The two-three shift gives only the faintest pip, and not all the time (remember, there are only 150 lb-ft of torque). Wring it out all the way through sixth gear and you can enter SKC's 43-degree banking over 120 mph. At that speed, the BRZ feels stable and planted -- perhaps due to the number of aerodynamic doodads (rear diffuser, double bubble roof, deck wing [Limited only]) that help the car achieve a 0.27 coefficient of drag. We didn't attempt VMAX, but Subaru engineer say a 7450-rpm fuel cutoff limits top speed to 220 kmh -- which is approximately 136.7 mph. To be honest, that seems a bit low.

On the handling course, you can drive the manual BRZ differently than the auto -- upshifting and rev-match downshifting at will -- but you don't have to. Though relatively low on torque, the FA20 is quick to rev and pulls the 2800-pound chassis around with no real flat spots in acceleration. I left it in third gear for two laps of the road course and never felt the need to downshift, except for the tightest of hairpin corners. Staying in second meant bouncing off the 7400-rpm rev limit or repeatedly snicking the fantastic transmission.

Just before I headed out to track for my second stint in the 6MT, a BRZ engineer let slip that the lateral acceleration target is 1.0g I tried to validate this claim on a giant circular skidpad using my patented belly fat accelerometer, but gave up after about 90 degrees in favor of practicing my best Keiichi Tsuchiya impersonations.

As I said earlier, yes, the BRZ will drift, and it is a beautiful thing. The combination of low mass, low center of gravity, and rear-wheel drive creates a neutral-handling vehicle that needs only to be flicked into a corner to get the rear tires breaking sideways (no clutch kicking or other abuse needed). With just enough torque available low in the rev range, and a reasonably high redline, BRZ can keep its tires spinning while the exploratory "dabs of oppo" can be dialed in. This very different from the Miata/MX-5, which is only beginning to break sideways at the top of its rev range before you must shift and kill any sideways momentum.

But it's not quite ready for Formula D just yet. While it has the snap to transition quickly from side-to-side and drift-to-drift, the BRZ needs more power to sustain the kind of high-speed drifts that win head-to-head battles. However, it would make a killer track day or autocross racer right off the lot with just a stickier set of tires (and Subaru says you can do that by folding down the rear seats and stuffing the 6.9-cubic-foot trunk with spares and tools. Try that in your Miata.)

Final Thoughts
The BRZ delivers as promised. Handling is as sweet as Orange Tang, but far less artificial-tasting. Power is not neck-snapping, but the car has just enough to make it exceptionally responsive. My frequent Mazda MX-5/Miata references are no mistake; the BRZ is definitely in that Zoom Zoom category of vehicles that deliver grins from pinning occupants to the side bolsters rather than seatbacks. The low mass, low center of gravity, and lack of dive and roll combine with direct steering and excellent outward visibility to create an exceptionally focused and pleasurable driving experience. With the BRZ, instead of adding speed with the gas pedal, you can refrain from subtracting speed with the brakes. The car is about carrying speed and momentum, and will surely be snapped up by auto crossers and track day enthusiasts alike. Our drive was brief, but the takeaway message is that the BRZ is scalpel in the current rear-drive knife fight.

The 2013 Subaru BRZ will be available in seven colors (black, pearl white, silver, dark grey, dark blue, world rally blue, and red) when it goes on sale in May 2012. Expected volume for the BRZ is in the neighborhood of 3600-4000 per year and the cars will be built alongside the Toyota GT86 and Scion FR-S at Subaru's Gunma Main Plant. Prices are said to be "very close to the WRX" for base model (Premium), so expect $24,000 for Premium models and roughly $27,000 for the BRZ Limited. As precision surgical instruments go, that's a pretty good deal.

Giccin 12-02-2011 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Quantum (Post 88591)
Here's my source. :)

Cheers,
Hong

Copy and paste teh article. :> And have em in quotes. :E:happy0180:

Sport-Tech 12-02-2011 07:14 PM

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Punching the rightmost button engages Sport VSC mode.
Is that button on the FR-S as well?

Quantum 12-02-2011 07:16 PM

Now you gotta update the Quote because I just corrected them on the article. ;)

Cheers,
Hong

Matador 12-02-2011 07:42 PM

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It's just clean and organic-feeling. It is not as precise or direct as one of the handling targets (Porsche Cayman), but it's close enough to its boxer brethren to be mentioned in the same breath. The same cannot be said of everything else in what Subaru claims is the BRZ's competitive set: Mini Cooper S, Civic Si, Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Miata MX-5, and of course Scion FR-S.
Is this poor writing or am I missing something?

Zaku 12-02-2011 07:46 PM

Manual has no Snow mode...hmm that comment about the FRS really makes me wonder about the suspension tune up. If is it a typo or if it's actually tuned differently. Either way Im for both cars! Great review thank you for posting.

old greg 12-02-2011 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by motortrend
We didn't attempt VMAX, but Subaru engineer say a 7450-rpm fuel cutoff limits top speed to 220 kmh -- which is approximately 136.7 mph. To be honest, that seems a bit low.

That math doesn't jive with the earlier "2900 rpm @ 60" claim. At that ratio, the rev limiter shouldn't kick in until 154.

Edit: Also, solid front rotors on the "premium" model... uhhh, fail.

Spaceywilly 12-02-2011 07:51 PM

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Why do we still love manuals so much? Because direct control over the transmission allows the driver to really ring out the RPMs and fill the BRZ's cabin with arguably the best exhaust note a Subaru has ever produced. It's loud and not particularly smooth, but completely beguiling and perhaps the beefiest-sounding 200-horsepower four-cylinder engine note around.
yesssss

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That math doesn't jive with the earlier "2900 rpm @ 60" claim. At that ratio, the rev limiter shouldn't kick in until 154.
I'm guessing it is just not able to accelerate beyond that with only 200hp [please don't start a flamewar]

old greg 12-02-2011 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaceywilly (Post 88738)
I'm guessing it is just not able to accelerate beyond that with only 200hp [please don't start a flamewar]

Needs moar turbo. :flame: :D

DuMa 12-02-2011 08:47 PM

Most informative review I have read yet so far. Curious how the premium gets the small brakes amd smaller wheels. Anyone got a pic of the 16s?

Matador 12-02-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg (Post 88736)
That math doesn't jive with the earlier "2900 rpm @ 60" claim. At that ratio, the rev limiter shouldn't kick in until 154.

Edit: Also, solid front rotors on the "premium" model... uhhh, fail.

With them claiming that they are 15" ..... not buying it.. poor reporting.

Buggy51 12-03-2011 01:32 AM

Huh, most detailed automatic review I've read for a while o.O;

I'm curious about the push button start though. @Quantum/Hong do you know/can you ask if its like the tC rs series with the fob push button to start or is it more like the S2k where you stick the key into the ignition and then hit the button?

Dave-ROR 12-03-2011 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Buggy51 (Post 89092)
Huh, most detailed automatic review I've read for a while o.O;

I'm curious about the push button start though. @Quantum/Hong do you know/can you ask if its like the tC rs series with the fob push button to start or is it more like the S2k where you stick the key into the ignition and then hit the button?

In the push button cars we've seen the key hole capped off (which looks cheap IMO) so I'd assume it'd RFID.

Buggy51 12-03-2011 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 89140)
In the push button cars we've seen the key hole capped off (which looks cheap IMO) so I'd assume it'd RFID.

Ah I see. I was just curious cause I just looked at this thread:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2596

and just noticed the dude sitting there with the keys in the car. Thought it was the Subaru one he was driving but I noticed the camo stuff on the side mirrors. But yeah... it does look cheap lol.

Dave-ROR 12-03-2011 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Buggy51 (Post 89199)
Ah I see. I was just curious cause I just looked at this thread:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2596

and just noticed the dude sitting there with the keys in the car. Thought it was the Subaru one he was driving but I noticed the camo stuff on the side mirrors. But yeah... it does look cheap lol.

That is the Subaru but the lower spec. Only the higher spec Subaru has the push to start system.

Buggy51 12-03-2011 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 89203)
That is the Subaru but the lower spec. Only the higher spec Subaru has the push to start system.

*erk*

noooo Consarn it!

Sigh lol. Well ... well... ... whatever price is lower then.

JoeJoseJoseph 12-03-2011 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1 (Post 88726)
Is this poor writing or am I missing something?


I think poor writing if not the different spring rates in BRZ he's mentioning here!

I am also surprised with the brakes in the premium!!:iono:

nrclptcnsmniak 12-03-2011 05:23 AM

Can somebody explain brake theory to me. Does a one inch difference in brake size really make that much of a difference where its worth spending more money for the more expensive model? I can care less about the vents. Solid brakes work fine. But 16 inch opposed to 15 inch in the front. How significant is the difference?

Dave-ROR 12-03-2011 11:51 AM

The fronts will NOT be solid. As for brake differences this is the first time we have heard of front brake differences (and IMO it's incorrect) so most likely both versions will have the same. Fr-s will also be the same. You'd care about the vents when your brakes overheat though :)

Eldorian 12-03-2011 01:08 PM

Most important aspect of that article where the colors. I'm sad if the BRZ doesn't come in orange, because the FR-S interior looks crappy, and I want an orange car.

tranzformer 12-03-2011 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Eldorian (Post 89377)
Most important aspect of that article where the colors. I'm sad if the BRZ doesn't come in orange, because the FR-S interior looks crappy, and I want an orange car.

You could get white then get it painted orange?

Eldorian 12-03-2011 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 89391)
You could get white then get it painted orange?

Paint jobs are expensive dude.

I guess it depends now on what options you can get on a scion for me. If I can get an orange one with upgraded interior, I might go that route.

I might just have to break down and buy a subie and give up on the little orange sports car dream.

Navi 12-03-2011 01:43 PM

Was surprised indeed by this:
Step up from base Premium spec to Limited, and you get leather/Alcantara seats and surfaces, 17-inch wheels with summer tires (instead of 16s with all-seasons), vented 16-inch disc brakes up front, and vented 15-inchs at the rear (as opposed to solid 15-inch discs all around).


Solid all around really must be a mistake, i think he means solids in the back and vented in the front.

tranzformer 12-03-2011 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eldorian (Post 89398)
Paint jobs are expensive dude.

I guess it depends now on what options you can get on a scion for me. If I can get an orange one with upgraded interior, I might go that route.

I might just have to break down and buy a subie and give up on the little orange sports car dream.

Sure paint jobs cost $$$. You have a few options: 1) Get Scion in orange and suck up and deal with interior 2) Get Subaru and get it painted. 3) Just drop idea of orange and get the Subaru for the interior. Don't see many other options.

DuMa 12-03-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 89337)
The fronts will NOT be solid. As for brake differences this is the first time we have heard of front brake differences (and IMO it's incorrect) so most likely both versions will have the same. Fr-s will also be the same. You'd care about the vents when your brakes overheat though :)


Yes the brakes info is clearly wrong or mistyped. at the very the frontswill be vented. I'm already thinking that all 3 variants of the ft 86 will have the same brakes front and rear.

Yenadar 12-03-2011 11:25 PM

Hrm. The ONLY thing from the limited i would want are the wheel/tire combo. All of my tires are either summer or winter. I refuse to compromise either environment with a half assed blend.

That being said, the black/chrome wheels that keep showing up ard hideous, and the summer tire is probably inferior. Just like what Mazda did with the OEM summers on the RX-8 (terrible wet traction, poor dry, and no life to them). So maybe the 16in option is better, if i'm replacing both wheels and tires anyway. Doubt i would drive it in the winter (i know, horrors), since i already have my RX-8 treated and shoed for it (and has seen 6 of them flawlessly).

Dave-ROR 12-04-2011 12:15 AM

Lsx:often in Japan brake rotors are sized as the smallest wheel that can be used to clear the rotor and caliper and I suspect that was lost in translation by motor trend.

DuMa 12-04-2011 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DuMa (Post 88791)
Most informative review I have read yet so far. Curious how the premium gets the small brakes amd smaller wheels. Anyone got a pic of the 16s?

found this

its for the GT86 but BRZ might as well be sporting these 16s if its true for the premium.
http://mkimg.carview.co.jp/minkara/b...4481595/p1.jpg

LSxJunkie 12-04-2011 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DuMa (Post 90022)
found this

its for the GT86 but BRZ might as well be sporting these 16s if its true for the premium.
http://mkimg.carview.co.jp/minkara/b...4481595/p1.jpg

6.5" wide steelies? Those will be great for snows.

Dave-ROR 12-04-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DuMa (Post 90022)
found this

its for the GT86 but BRZ might as well be sporting these 16s if its true for the premium.

According to MT they will, however, the FR-S does not.. pay more.. and get crappy all seasons on steelies? Again, Subaru just isn't that stupid :)

It will have the 17 alloys for the premium, I can't see them doing anything LESS than the cheaper FR-S.

madfast 12-04-2011 01:12 PM

Regarding the Stability control, what do you guys think the difference is between pressing the VSC OFF once and VSC Sport? which mode allows more slip? i know in my car, and probably others, if you press VSC OFF once, it turns off the throttle cut portion of VSC. if you hold down VSC OFF for 3 sec then it turns off the braking portion of VSC too, thus turning off VSC completely. is that the case here? so then does that mean VSC sport leaves on both throttle cut VSC and braking VSC, and just raises the limit?

LSxJunkie 12-04-2011 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by madfast (Post 90241)
Regarding the Stability control, what do you guys think the difference is between pressing the VSC OFF once and VSC Sport? which mode allows more slip? i know in my car, and probably others, if you press VSC OFF once, it turns off the throttle cut portion of VSC. if you hold down VSC OFF for 3 sec then it turns off the braking portion of VSC too, thus turning off VSC completely. is that the case here? so then does that mean VSC sport leaves on both throttle cut VSC and braking VSC, and just raises the limit?

VSC OFF will allow more slip. It will allow all the slip you could possibly want. Including spinning into the weeds. VSC Sport raises the threshold and severity of intervention. I'm not sure how it will do it on this specific system, but the result will be later intervention when you have the car sideways.

madfast 12-04-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 90250)
VSC OFF will allow more slip. It will allow all the slip you could possibly want. Including spinning into the weeds. VSC Sport raises the threshold and severity of intervention. I'm not sure how it will do it on this specific system, but the result will be later intervention when you have the car sideways.

yeah but there is VSC OFF and VSC OFF OFF (hold button down 3 sec). so im guessing it goes Normal > VSC SPORT > VSC OFF > VSC OFF OFF

Dave-ROR 12-04-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 90367)
Left button for Traction Control. Press it once and it'll let you spin the tires a bit but still try to keep you in a straight line. Hold it down and it'll step aside and let you try to kill yourself. Right button is for VSC Sport, which is, if I'm not mistaken, supposed to make you faster than your talent by letting you get the back of the car out more than normal.

:thumbup:

See this part of the MT review:
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Originally Posted by Motor Trend
Traction and stability control algorithms are governed by three buttons mounted just behind the shifter in 6AT-equipped BRZs. (Manuals lose the center Sport/Snow button.) With one touch, the left button partial turns off stability control; when held down for 3 seconds, it turns off completely. As you'd expect, the latter is a must for wannabe drifters.

Punching the rightmost button engages Sport VSC mode. This activates a combination of stability/sport indicator lights on the gauge cluster and lets you hang the car's tail out a touch, via steering angle, yaw rate, and lateral G sensors that forecast the vehicle's position. If that future looks too sideways, brake and throttle cut precautions engage. In practice, it's the best mode for spirited road courses like the SKC handling track. This twisty second/third-gear course had several tight low-speed turns and a couple of nasty mid-corner bumps that conspired to unsettle the BRZ. Sport VSC caught it every time, with a more progressive engagement of stability control over the normal mode.

Problem is it doesn't specify exactly what "partially turns off stability control" means... either way I'll have it off completely for track and autocross use, and on for the street as I don't drive agressively enough to engage it anyways and I really don't mind the nanny if something unexpectedly bad happens on the street.

madfast 12-04-2011 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 90415)
Problem is it doesn't specify exactly what "partially turns off stability control" means...

this is what i mean. its not clear. is there a practical difference between "partially" turning it off and raising the limit? :iono:

my assumption is that VSC SPORT is less aggressive than VSC OFF but no review has mentioned much of what the difference is. they all say they "turn off" the VSC, but is that VSC OFF or press and hold 3 sec VSC OFF. they make no distinction... :mad0259:

Dave-ROR 12-04-2011 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by madfast (Post 90448)
this is what i mean. its not clear. is there a practical difference between "partially" turning it off and raising the limit? :iono:

my assumption is that VSC SPORT is less aggressive than VSC OFF but no review has mentioned much of what the difference is. they all say they "turn off" the VSC, but is that VSC OFF or press and hold 3 sec VSC OFF. they make no distinction... :mad0259:

It may just allow burnouts or something, who knows. The VSC Sport uses all the sensors and changes the point at which it engages. I'm guessing the partial just removes one sensor from the mix.. but no idea.

DuMa 12-04-2011 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 90205)
According to MT they will, however, the FR-S does not.. pay more.. and get crappy all seasons on steelies? Again, Subaru just isn't that stupid :)

It will have the 17 alloys for the premium, I can't see them doing anything LESS than the cheaper FR-S.

dont know why i havent seen pics of these wheels but they were shown in the parade run

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they appear to be 16s. if they are, i think they look better than the 17s. strictly in design though.

Dave-ROR 12-04-2011 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DuMa (Post 90463)
dont know why i havent seen pics of these wheels but they were shown in the parade run

they appear to be 16s. if they are, i think they look better than the 17s. strictly in design though.

The low spec was supposed to have 16" alloys, only the customize grade got the 16" steel wheels so I wouldn't be surprised by 16s in that video.

Scion said their car will get the 17" alloys though so I really can't see the more expensive Subaru not getting the 17" alloys, even at the most base version of the car.

Zaku 12-04-2011 09:04 PM

If you look carefully those 86 are pretty much FRS, they don't have the GT86 lights and they have the smaller wheels, only diff is that they are RHD. Basically this is there base and that's the FRS we're getting with our own ... Unique interior XD

nrclptcnsmniak 12-05-2011 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 89337)
The fronts will NOT be solid. As for brake differences this is the first time we have heard of front brake differences (and IMO it's incorrect) so most likely both versions will have the same. Fr-s will also be the same. You'd care about the vents when your brakes overheat though :)

wait so im going to assume now that vented is not the same as slotted and or drilled? whats vented exactly then?


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