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MikeC 01-09-2013 06:48 AM

Top Gear Coupe of the Year Comparo: GT86 vs BRZ
 
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TopGear have just published a comparison of the twins.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/cou...brz-2013-01-09

It's a little out of date as Subaru UK have just changed their warranty to match the 5-year Toyota version and I don't understand how the engines could sound different but I would agree that the basic spec Subaru radio is awful.

Here's the entire text, compiled by zuldajin:

Not many road tests begin with a fur hat and a blindfold, but it's freezing in Wales, and we're attempting an experiment. So here I am, standing beside the road with a mask over my face and fake fox on my head. As some elderly ramblers watch, a car pulls up, and I'm bundled into the passenger seat. "Sorry about this, mate," says the driver, before commencing a gravelly burnout while I slap the air in panic. "Look happy, or they'll think I've kidnapped you."

Attachment 24907

There's a 50 per cent chance I've just been abducted in a Toyota GT86. But it's equally probable I'm in its near-identical twin, the Subaru BRZ. For two days, we've been driving them around, playing spot the difference. There certainly are some, but when it comes to actually computing them, the mind is a fickle thing. Maybe my brain prefers blue to orange. Perhaps I just expected to like one more than the other. And, as psychologists have proved, these are things that can twist your judgement.

So there's only one thing for it: block out the decoys. Forget the badges. Colours don't matter. And you can be as pretty as you like, but that information won't be reaching my impressionable little brain right now. With such distractions out of the way, I can focus on the raw sensations. Every twitch and bump and rut and bobble. If they match up with our earlier suspicions, we'll be closer to really telling these two apart. Hopefully. It's a bit like the Pepsi Challenge... with cars.

Attachment 24908

First, some history. We already know we like these things enough to give one an award at the end of this story. They prove you don't need to go a million miles per hour to have fun. And that 1,240kg (give or take a kilo for the purposes of rounding), rear-wheel drive and 200bhp is just about right. Both have traces of Porsche or Lotus in the way they go down the road and around corners. Neither uses cheap tricks, and you get the feeling each was developed by men prepared to spend endless days fiddling with shims and springs until they reached their Goldilocks moment. There have been squabbles over who did what. Toyota claims the original idea, but admits working with Subaru to actually flesh out the car. From there on, the division of labour is uncertain. Each had its own team, and each claims its final product is slightly different from the other. Subaru was the first to give us a proper drive, and we know that every car - whether GT86 or BRZ - is made at its factory. Both have their logos stamped under the bonnet, though it's easy to fish out the likely contributions there: boxer engine from Subaru, direct injection from Toyota. Here's how we see it: Toyota is a top-three carmaker and owns around 16 per cent of Subaru's parent company. So it probably stamped its feet a bit. And without such giant backing, Subaru would've had to really shake its pockets to afford an all-new product and the enormous cost of putting it on sale around the world. You may wonder, then, why Toyota needed Subaru at all. But then you remember that one makes the Yaris while the other makes forest-munching rally replicas. Let's just say they needed each other on this one...

Attachment 24909

Whatever. Here we are with the actual cars, so we can finally have a good poke around. Let's start with the front view. Both have strips of LEDs: the GT86's look like angry eyebrows atop the light cluster, while the BRZ's create a softer effect around the edges. Beneath them is a foglight housing: triangular for the GT86, squarish on the BRZ. Then it's bumpers and grilles: the Toyota's sharp and clean, the Subaru's more rounded and a touch bulbous, thanks to the plastic bar behind the numberplate... a smiley dolphin to Toyota's fighting fish.

Moving rearwards, the differences become more forensic. On the front wings of both cars are pseudo vents. But where the Subaru goes for a plastic strake and blacked-out panel to simulate a grille of sorts, the Toyota goes for a body-colour block with a GT86 logo, plus a tiny black oval for a grille effect. Around the back, the BRZ's badges sit just under the rear wing, while the GT's are glued beneath the numberplate and pinched towards the middle. Tiny things, but it's the Subaru that looks a touch more balanced as a result.

Attachment 24910

Inside, the differences can be summed up like this: frameless rear-view mirror in the Toyota, plastic surround in the Subaru. Carbon-effect dash inserts in the 86, shiny silver in the BRZ. Proper stereo and satnav in the Toyota, irritating Pioneer thing in the Subaru. White dial backlights in the GT86, orange in the BRZ. The Bluetooth microphone design on the top of the steering column is also different. Do any of these things matter? On their own, probably not. But added up, the Toyota feels a bit more expensive.

Which leads us to the price. Both cost £24,995. Add leather to the Toyota, and you'll spend an extra £1,600. Upgrading to the leathery SE Lux BRZ costs you £1,500. Throw in metallic paint with your cow-trim, and overall you'll spend £95 less on the Subaru than the Toyota. There are six shared paint jobs, while both have a unique colour in the WR Blue and Velocity Orange seen here. The Toyota has a five-year, 100,000 mile warranty versus three years and 60,000 miles for the Subaru. But the BRZ also comes with an excellent complimentary package including free dent and alloy repairs, free monthly wash, free annual valet and winter-wheel storage.

Attachment 24911

And what about the driving? After two days on the road - not blindfolded, for reasons of wellbeing - here's what I felt. Both these cars are bursting with energy, spurring you to use every last gram of power. They're as fizzy as a hot hatch, but somehow the Toyota feels more playful. It seems to take a more obvious chomp at a corner, followed by a slight roll of the shoulder as the rear end perks up. The BRZ feels a touch more direct, and a bit more serious about the business of going around bends. Put it this way: the Toyota meets each corner like a puppy greeting the postman. The BRZ grabs the letter right out of his hand.

I was sort of expecting this. Both sets of engineers hinted as much when we tried the cars separately. And though their characters differ, we're talking about a degree of steering here, a notch of suspension there. It's easy to amplify this stuff. Which brings us back to our experiment. Could the pointy bumper fool you into thinking the 86 is feistier? Was the early expectation ambushing our senses? Or were we really feeling it through hands and bottoms?

Back on with the blindfold for a blast up the same bit of road. And after five minutes of blackout in each car, I think a verdict has been reached. My first mystery ride? I'm going with the Toyota. I could swear it pushed me harder into the seat bolster as it took a greedier first bite at each corner. Next? Subaru. The ride was ever-so-slightly calmer... a little more subdued, maybe. Not by much, but certainly a bit. As the mask comes off, I'm proved correct.

Attachment 24912

And with the benefit of hindsight or, rather, no sight, other things are revealed. The Toyota has a deeper, more resonant sound. Both pipe induction noise into the cabin through a rubber hose, but the Toyota does it better. Then again, this BRZ had done twice as many miles as the GT, so maybe that has something to do with it. The GT's damping felt a touch firmer too. These might seem like tiny things, but such marginal differences can be explained like race-car set-up: Lewis might prefer a lively rear end, where Jenson prefers something less playful. Essentially, they still drive the same car.

So what if I was forced to choose? One of these must become our Coupe of the Year. And it's going to be the Toyota. Partly due to that extra playfulness, partly because the more aggressive styling suits it better than the BRZ's. But here's the thing: you can get your hands on one sooner. Whatever the engineering input, there was an agreement that Toyota got the lion's share of stock. That, plus big demand in Japan and the USA, means there's currently a six-month waiting list for a BRZ in the UK.

As I write this, directors from Subaru's UK importers are in Japan, pleading for more cars. If they get more, they will sell. These are both excellent cars, and will go down as Top Gear heroes. You don't need a pair of eyes to see that.

zuldajin 01-09-2013 02:17 PM

I hate reading slideshows, heres everything all in 1 page

Quote:

Not many road tests begin with a fur hat and a blindfold, but it's freezing in Wales, and we're attempting an experiment. So here I am, standing beside the road with a mask over my face and fake fox on my head. As some elderly ramblers watch, a car pulls up, and I'm bundled into the passenger seat. "Sorry about this, mate," says the driver, before commencing a gravelly burnout while I slap the air in panic. "Look happy, or they'll think I've kidnapped you."

There's a 50 per cent chance I've just been abducted in a Toyota GT86. But it's equally probable I'm in its near-identical twin, the Subaru BRZ. For two days, we've been driving them around, playing spot the difference. There certainly are some, but when it comes to actually computing them, the mind is a fickle thing. Maybe my brain prefers blue to orange. Perhaps I just expected to like one more than the other. And, as psychologists have proved, these are things that can twist your judgement.

So there's only one thing for it: block out the decoys. Forget the badges. Colours don't matter. And you can be as pretty as you like, but that information won't be reaching my impressionable little brain right now. With such distractions out of the way, I can focus on the raw sensations. Every twitch and bump and rut and bobble. If they match up with our earlier suspicions, we'll be closer to really telling these two apart. Hopefully. It's a bit like the Pepsi Challenge... with cars.

First, some history. We already know we like these things enough to give one an award at the end of this story. They prove you don't need to go a million miles per hour to have fun. And that 1,240kg (give or take a kilo for the purposes of rounding), rear-wheel drive and 200bhp is just about right. Both have traces of Porsche or Lotus in the way they go down the road and around corners. Neither uses cheap tricks, and you get the feeling each was developed by men prepared to spend endless days fiddling with shims and springs until they reached their Goldilocks moment. There have been squabbles over who did what. Toyota claims the original idea, but admits working with Subaru to actually flesh out the car. From there on, the division of labour is uncertain. Each had its own team, and each claims its final product is slightly different from the other. Subaru was the first to give us a proper drive, and we know that every car - whether GT86 or BRZ - is made at its factory. Both have their logos stamped under the bonnet, though it's easy to fish out the likely contributions there: boxer engine from Subaru, direct injection from Toyota. Here's how we see it: Toyota is a top-three carmaker and owns around 16 per cent of Subaru's parent company. So it probably stamped its feet a bit. And without such giant backing, Subaru would've had to really shake its pockets to afford an all-new product and the enormous cost of putting it on sale around the world. You may wonder, then, why Toyota needed Subaru at all. But then you remember that one makes the Yaris while the other makes forest-munching rally replicas. Let's just say they needed each other on this one...

Whatever. Here we are with the actual cars, so we can finally have a good poke around. Let's start with the front view. Both have strips of LEDs: the GT86's look like angry eyebrows atop the light cluster, while the BRZ's create a softer effect around the edges. Beneath them is a foglight housing: triangular for the GT86, squarish on the BRZ. Then it's bumpers and grilles: the Toyota's sharp and clean, the Subaru's more rounded and a touch bulbous, thanks to the plastic bar behind the numberplate... a smiley dolphin to Toyota's fighting fish.

Moving rearwards, the differences become more forensic. On the front wings of both cars are pseudo vents. But where the Subaru goes for a plastic strake and blacked-out panel to simulate a grille of sorts, the Toyota goes for a body-colour block with a GT86 logo, plus a tiny black oval for a grille effect. Around the back, the BRZ's badges sit just under the rear wing, while the GT's are glued beneath the numberplate and pinched towards the middle. Tiny things, but it's the Subaru that looks a touch more balanced as a result.

Inside, the differences can be summed up like this: frameless rear-view mirror in the Toyota, plastic surround in the Subaru. Carbon-effect dash inserts in the 86, shiny silver in the BRZ. Proper stereo and satnav in the Toyota, irritating Pioneer thing in the Subaru. White dial backlights in the GT86, orange in the BRZ. The Bluetooth microphone design on the top of the steering column is also different. Do any of these things matter? On their own, probably not. But added up, the Toyota feels a bit more expensive.

Which leads us to the price. Both cost £24,995. Add leather to the Toyota, and you'll spend an extra £1,600. Upgrading to the leathery SE Lux BRZ costs you £1,500. Throw in metallic paint with your cow-trim, and overall you'll spend £95 less on the Subaru than the Toyota. There are six shared paint jobs, while both have a unique colour in the WR Blue and Velocity Orange seen here. The Toyota has a five-year, 100,000 mile warranty versus three years and 60,000 miles for the Subaru. But the BRZ also comes with an excellent complimentary package including free dent and alloy repairs, free monthly wash, free annual valet and winter-wheel storage.

And what about the driving? After two days on the road - not blindfolded, for reasons of wellbeing - here's what I felt. Both these cars are bursting with energy, spurring you to use every last gram of power. They're as fizzy as a hot hatch, but somehow the Toyota feels more playful. It seems to take a more obvious chomp at a corner, followed by a slight roll of the shoulder as the rear end perks up. The BRZ feels a touch more direct, and a bit more serious about the business of going around bends. Put it this way: the Toyota meets each corner like a puppy greeting the postman. The BRZ grabs the letter right out of his hand.

I was sort of expecting this. Both sets of engineers hinted as much when we tried the cars separately. And though their characters differ, we're talking about a degree of steering here, a notch of suspension there. It's easy to amplify this stuff. Which brings us back to our experiment. Could the pointy bumper fool you into thinking the 86 is feistier? Was the early expectation ambushing our senses? Or were we really feeling it through hands and bottoms?
Back on with the blindfold for a blast up the same bit of road. And after five minutes of blackout in each car, I think a verdict has been reached. My first mystery ride? I'm going with the Toyota. I could swear it pushed me harder into the seat bolster as it took a greedier first bite at each corner. Next? Subaru. The ride was ever-so-slightly calmer... a little more subdued, maybe. Not by much, but certainly a bit. As the mask comes off, I'm proved correct.

And with the benefit of hindsight or, rather, no sight, other things are revealed. The Toyota has a deeper, more resonant sound. Both pipe induction noise into the cabin through a rubber hose, but the Toyota does it better. Then again, this BRZ had done twice as many miles as the GT, so maybe that has something to do with it. The GT's damping felt a touch firmer too. These might seem like tiny things, but such marginal differences can be explained like race-car set-up: Lewis might prefer a lively rear end, where Jenson prefers something less playful. Essentially, they still drive the same car.

So what if I was forced to choose? One of these must become our Coupe of the Year. And it's going to be the Toyota. Partly due to that extra playfulness, partly because the more aggressive styling suits it better than the BRZ's. But here's the thing: you can get your hands on one sooner. Whatever the engineering input, there was an agreement that Toyota got the lion's share of stock. That, plus big demand in Japan and the USA, means there's currently a six-month waiting list for a BRZ in the UK.

As I write this, directors from Subaru's UK importers are in Japan, pleading for more cars. If they get more, they will sell. These are both excellent cars, and will go down as Top Gear heroes. You don't need a pair of eyes to see that.


Jaylyons1 01-09-2013 04:23 PM

I like their analogy comparing the two with the puppy. I noticed that as well. The Scion just feels like it wants to kick the back end out everywhere you go whereas the Subaru likes to stick a bit more. I do find it funny that it seems the two models flipped for the states with the Subaru being the higher end model.

ayau 01-09-2013 04:37 PM

If we're assuming that they used the OEM 86 springs, and if these suspension rates are correct, then the BRZ's rear should kick out more than the 86's.

Spring rates: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8739

Achpoques 01-09-2013 04:45 PM

I don't mind the subaru stock radio - yea, it's slow, but functional and has the features there.

MtnDrvr86 01-09-2013 04:59 PM

Good read, but when will they have it on the show? Jeremy had it in his worse cars special but I want to see what it does on their test track

a.beck 01-09-2013 06:07 PM

I'd guess it'll be on shortly after the show actually starts up again later this month.

Khazzy 01-09-2013 06:27 PM

The reason it is flopped in the states is because Scion has the 86 badged as the FRS. I love the way the 86 looks, but I chose the BRZ because the Scion does not have HID's, no fog lights, interior to me feels cheaper, and I wanted the little extras I get with the BRZ, plus it looks great in SWP. In America the BRZ is the better model. Anywhere else the 86 and BRZ are close and it is solely going to be looks. Especially with Toyota giving the 86 the TRD packages...just saying.

that_one_guy 01-09-2013 06:30 PM

Good article, it sounds like the Subaru stock stereo there is the same as the FR-S has here, and the 86 there get's our BRZ satnav?

I'm thinking this car won't just get a review and timed lap, I think they'll do a whole show on them both. Go to some other country to find out which of the twins is really best. They've been to US several times as well as several Asian countries. They've done the Middle East, Mediterranean, France, Germany, Switzerland and Eastern Europe. My guess is Canada, Australia, Poland or Greece.

Turbowned 01-09-2013 07:43 PM

Good read! Again, too bad we get the watered-down version in the States.

Burrcold 01-09-2013 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khazzy (Post 654729)
The reason it is flopped in the states is because Scion has the 86 badged as the FRS. I love the way the 86 looks, but I chose the BRZ because the Scion does not have HID's, no fog lights, interior to me feels cheaper, and I wanted the little extras I get with the BRZ, plus it looks great in SWP. In America the BRZ is the better model. Anywhere else the 86 and BRZ are close and it is solely going to be looks. Especially with Toyota giving the 86 the TRD packages...just saying.

Flopped in the US? Huh?

rusty959 01-09-2013 08:17 PM

Agreed. If I wasn't in the US Id probably go with the gt86, but in 'Murica the extra features of the BRZ compared to the base FRS wins out, especially in limited trim.

Jedi1 01-09-2013 08:39 PM

Don't agree with the flopped arguement at all, but that's why it is a good thing we have two choices. If alcantara inserts and HID's are your thing, wonderful. I prefer to save that money and drop it on decent tires, exhaust, suspension and the other things needed to create a RTR Autocross beast.

Personal preference only makes one better than the other in eyes of the individual evaluating the car.

rice_classic 01-09-2013 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khazzy (Post 654729)
The reason it is flopped in the states is because Scion has the 86 badged as the FRS.

Invalid

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khazzy (Post 654729)
I love the way the 86 looks, but I chose the BRZ because the Scion does not have HID's, no fog lights, interior to me feels cheaper, and I wanted the little extras I get with the BRZ, plus it looks great in SWP. In America the BRZ is the better model. Anywhere else the 86 and BRZ are close and it is solely going to be looks. Especially with Toyota giving the 86 the TRD packages...just saying.

Valid, but only due to subjectivity.

stockysnail 01-09-2013 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Achpoques (Post 654491)
I don't mind the subaru stock radio - yea, it's slow, but functional and has the features there.

I've seen BRZs in other parts of the world that don't have the same that the USA gets and it looked horrible. I'm sure he's talking about that and not the sat/nav that we all get by default.

Chauntalei 01-09-2013 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stockysnail (Post 655030)
I've seen BRZs in other parts of the world that don't have the same that the USA gets and it looked horrible. I'm sure he's talking about that and not the sat/nav that we all get by default.

That's correct, the base BRZ in the UK has this, instead of satnav:

http://i.imgur.com/6Ccvf.jpg

Satnav is an option over there for the Subie.

Jpen115 01-09-2013 10:29 PM

There is no better or worse in my opinion. If you want HIDs and such from the get-go then get the BRZ. I dont mind having just Silverstars in my FR-S housings I love this setup. Nor do I mind not having NAV because my TOMTOM does just fine lol. The only reason I got my FRS is because I thought it looked a little younger and a little more aggressive. I dont see that as making one better than the other. Does anybody agree with me? Its a preference. Not a better or worse. Or maybe Im just talkin too much :)

stockysnail 01-09-2013 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chauntalei (Post 655107)
That's correct, the base BRZ in the UK has this, instead of satnav:

http://i.imgur.com/6Ccvf.jpg

Satnav is an option over there for the Subie.

Is that stereo from the 90s? Where's the tape deck or even the 8 track player? :barf:

Spicer66 01-09-2013 11:35 PM

Something weird happens to me every time I read anything that is from top gear, I can't help but read it in Jeremy Clarksons voice, is anyone else having this problem?

Not that it's such a bad thing haha

86BRZ 01-09-2013 11:51 PM

Amm... How can I make my blue puppy more playful? Feed different dog food perhaps?

Enemies 01-10-2013 12:12 AM

I would have bought a GT86 over a BRZ but not an FR-S. Obviously just my opinion, but GT86 > BRZ > FR-S. I don't really get when people say GT86 = FR-S.

cnike64 01-10-2013 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spicer66 (Post 655398)
Something weird happens to me every time I read anything that is from top gear, I can't help but read it in Jeremy Clarksons voice, is anyone else having this problem?

Not that it's such a bad thing haha

Same here duder! :happy0180: He is the best

huma 01-10-2013 12:59 AM

I prefer how the FRS drives over the BRZ as well, but the amenities won me over.

Fnbeast86 01-10-2013 01:03 AM

If only I can have Jeremy's job!!!! I would love to be the passenger in the car very episode in my dreams haha

86BRZ 01-10-2013 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enemies (Post 655470)
I would have bought a GT86 over a BRZ but not an FR-S. Obviously just my opinion, but GT86 > BRZ > FR-S. I don't really get when people say GT86 = FR-S.

Same here. Toyota 86 yes! Own the legacy. The FRS interior and the badge is something I cannot get past. BRZ limited is the remaining choice here.

In this case, Can someone confirm the spring rate and tuning for GT86 is = FRS? Therefore the 2 car drive the same?

Jedi1 01-10-2013 02:23 AM

Having gone from a nicely appointed Mini to the FRS, I keep tryiing to figure out why people don't like the FRS interior? The seats are comfortable even on 8+ hour drives. The controls are where they should be and everything you have to touch is quite nice for the price point. The stock radio could use a bump, but it isn't horrible. You aren't looking at a Porsche. It's a 26ish K car. Seems to me there is an aweful lot there for the money.

PMok 01-10-2013 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86BRZ (Post 655427)
Amm... How can I make my blue puppy more playful? Feed different dog food perhaps?

Give it some 95 octane and it will be more playful. :thumbup:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but because the suspension differences are all in the spring and damper choices... All you have to do is change to a coil over suspension and both a BRZ and FRS/GT86 would be equal. Like if you put the same sets on both cars, with the same settings they would handle identically.

Jedi1 01-10-2013 02:38 AM

PMok, you are correct regarding the suspension. The geometry is the same on all of the cars. Go to Coilovers and everything is equal.

pkny 01-10-2013 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86BRZ (Post 655618)
Same here. Toyota 86 yes! Own the legacy. The FRS interior and the badge is something I cannot get past. BRZ limited is the remaining choice here.

In this case, Can someone confirm the spring rate and tuning for GT86 is = FRS? Therefore the 2 car drive the same?

UK and EU spec both have the 23 N/mm front spring rate, which is the same as the FR-S. Don't know the rear and the Japanese spec though.

source:
http://corporatemedia.toyota.eu/news...d=1820&mid=186
http://media.toyota.co.uk/wp-content...ullrelease.pdf

YW-Slayer 01-10-2013 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stockysnail (Post 655326)
Is that stereo from the 90s? Where's the tape deck or even the 8 track player? :barf:

That's why I swapped mine out (in Hong Kong the BRZ comes with the same stereo) after less than a week for an Alpine. Not very user-friendly, but still much better.

ShoNUFF 01-10-2013 09:12 AM

I guess the interiors in the UK differ from here.

I test drove both FRS & BRZ.

The FRS felt a little cheap and I was instantly turned off by it.

I went to Subaru looking for a WRX/STI and ended up sitting in a Limited BRZ. I fell in love instantly.

Either way the twins are some great cars.

gily25 01-10-2013 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chauntalei (Post 655107)
That's correct, the base BRZ in the UK has this, instead of satnav:

http://i.imgur.com/6Ccvf.jpg

Satnav is an option over there for the Subie.


Barf...if my BRZ came with that stereo it would be negotiated away before delivery...I actually considered trying to like the FR-S head unit if I bought one but there is no taking that ugly thing home.

pastuch 01-10-2013 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Achpoques (Post 654491)
I don't mind the subaru stock radio - yea, it's slow, but functional and has the features there.

The stock stereo on the Subaru is different in Canada, USA and the UK. We each get a different Pioneer deck. The Canadian one is excellent, the only minor complaint I have is the lack of up and down arrows in the MP3 browser (MicroSD card). The capacitive touch screen is difficult to scroll and arrows would make it much easier. The NAV is awesome, I use it every day but I want to disable the nanny so I can punch in a destination (or my passenger) while driving.

Sound quality is solid for a stock deck and speakers.

chanomatik 01-10-2013 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusty959 (Post 654956)
Agreed. If I wasn't in the US Id probably go with the gt86, but in 'Murica the extra features of the BRZ compared to the base FRS wins out, especially in limited trim.

This. I was all for going with Toyota's GT-86 until they announced it would be released as a Scion and be heavily de-contented here in America.

86BRZ 01-10-2013 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PMok (Post 655691)
Give it some 95 octane and it will be more playful. :thumbup:

Pmok, there is a gas station in San Jose selling octane 100. I wonder how much more playful the puppy would be after feed her that s**t? Lol...

mechaghost 01-10-2013 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86BRZ (Post 656425)
Pmok, there is a gas station in San Jose selling octane 100. I wonder how much more playful the puppy would be after feed her that s**t? Lol...

Won't do anything unless you get a tune ;p

ducatichick 01-10-2013 06:22 PM

"Put it this way: the Toyota meets each corner like a puppy greeting the postman. The BRZ grabs the letter right out of his hand."

Yep, I'm a BRZ owner! :party0030:

Khazzy 01-10-2013 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enemies (Post 655470)
I would have bought a GT86 over a BRZ but not an FR-S. Obviously just my opinion, but GT86 > BRZ > FR-S. I don't really get when people say GT86 = FR-S.

EXACTLY how I feel and I am glad I am not the only one.

fatoni 01-10-2013 09:40 PM

after reading all that initial bias, im surprised the author chose the toyota.

YW-Slayer 01-10-2013 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gily25 (Post 655981)
Barf...if my BRZ came with that stereo it would be negotiated away before delivery...I actually considered trying to like the FR-S head unit if I bought one but there is no taking that ugly thing home.

I asked about doing the same thing, but the car would have cost me the same anyway. That's why I decided to just see what it sounded and looked like in the car for a bit. I now have it sitting in our bedroom for re-installation if I ever sell the car.


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