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marky 01-08-2013 01:56 PM

first time buying..
 
Hey guys looks like near by me there's a white unicorn I been looking for is in stock been sitting in the lot for 4 days and no one claimed it yet and I'm going to look at it after work and for a test drive..

Now my question is..

As a first time new car buyer is there lots of paper work to do ? Not sure what I have to bring or have or what to look for so I won't get ripped off..

Also I'm willing to trade my 94dc2 to help with the payment .I have still good tires on it with 18" rims..manual..I can dump like 2+k on it..

Do you pay the first payment in like 3 months?

Thanks
Thanks

shaggy 01-08-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by marky (Post 651578)
Hey guys looks like near by me there's a white unicorn I been looking for is in stock been sitting in the lot for 4 days and no one claimed it yet and I'm going to look at it after work and for a test drive..

Now my question is..

As a first time new car buyer is there lots of paper work to do ? Not sure what I have to bring or have or what to look for so I won't get ripped off..

Also I'm willing to trade my 94dc2 to help with the payment .I have still good tires on it with 18" rims..manual..I can dump like 2+k on it..

Do you pay the first payment in like 3 months?

Thanks
Thanks

Your first mistake is that you are waiting until after work to go see it. Lots of things can happen between now and then. You should have headed over there 4 days ago. LOL....:popcorn: Just kidding bro.
Scion generally makes for a painless buying experience. If you plan on buying today, you should check for finance rates. You may/may not get a better rate somewhere else vs. the dealership depending on various factors. Bring your ID, insurance, and any additional down payment. I don't know about your area, but my first payement was due 1 month after taking her home. You may be able to sell the car you plan on trading in for more money if you did it yourself. Dealer offered $2.5k for my 2000 Honday Prelude SH. I ended up selling it for $4K through craigs list for cash. You have plenty of options.

rapidcars 01-08-2013 02:11 PM

You don't need to bring anything with you. They'll have you fill out a loan application (if you're not paying cash) and go through the order sheet with any options you want to add. Just be sure to negotiate on the actual price of the vehicle and not monthly payments. I've had dealers that only focused on the monthly payment and tried to rip me off by either giving me less than they said on a trade in or charging over MSRP. I ended up walking out and going to another one.

chenshuo 01-08-2013 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marky (Post 651578)
Hey guys looks like near by me there's a white unicorn I been looking for is in stock been sitting in the lot for 4 days and no one claimed it yet and I'm going to look at it after work and for a test drive..

Now my question is..

As a first time new car buyer is there lots of paper work to do ? Not sure what I have to bring or have or what to look for so I won't get ripped off..

Also I'm willing to trade my 94dc2 to help with the payment .I have still good tires on it with 18" rims..manual..I can dump like 2+k on it..

Do you pay the first payment in like 3 months?

Thanks
Thanks

Since this has been my second new car purchase I can *shit* some light on this:

There's not that much paper work to do. Around the same amount of paper work as selling it privately (provided that you bought your used car legally and have to submit docs to government). For this car that you're buying you don't have to worry about negotiating cause dealer won't negotiate.

Did you look up how much your current car is worth if selling privately? cause trade-in value is usually not as good as selling it yourself.

The money that you have to pay (downpayment etc) depends on how you work out with your dealer. are you buying out right? finance? lease?

that_one_guy 01-08-2013 02:21 PM

First estimate your otd price which will be msrp + any add ons + about 10%. Now subtract your downpayment and trade in value and divide that by how many months you want to pay it off. If you can afford that then go ahead, if you can't afford that (and be VERY realistic cause a goof here will cost you thousands to 'correct' your goof).

Now you have a ballpark of what you should be paying, if anything is over that when you do the paperwork, have them explain it, and don't be shy to say you don't understand because you need to know what you're getting into before signing anything.

You can't negotiate the price on a Scion but you can negotiate the price of any add ons, extra warranties, and even APR.

For your trade in, you aren't going to get a great price for it at a dealer, if it is more than 5 yrs old or 50K miles, they may not even want it but might give you a soda for it because they can't sell it on their lot and it has to go to auction.

Just make sure you know what you will be paying so they can't sneak anything in the deal that you weren't expecting. Bring two forms of ID, proof of comprehensive insurance (even if its for your current car there is a grace period to change the car on your policy), and plan for 3 hours for the whole process. Also, don't be afraid to walk away at ANY point before you sign. Even if they print your name and info on all of the forms, you are about to sign and something just doesn't sit well with you, stop, ask them about it and if its still fishy walk out. I'm not saying any dealers try to screw you, I'm just saying you owe them nothing until you sign that contract. Anything they say, get it in writing, whether its a car wash or a free oil change, anything they 'promise' you to get you to buy, have it in writing.

I don't know about the no payments for 3 months, but if that exists, it should be used as a cushion, not a tool to help you afford it. Also, if interest accumulates during those 3 months, you aren't saving much. Plan on paying every month, if they allow you to skip a few months, I would still make payments those months because if you get a 60 month loan but you can't afford it until 3 months from now, then buy the car in 3 months.

Good luck and enjoy the experience!

kthxbai 01-08-2013 02:25 PM

In addition to what @shaggy listed, if you are a recent graduate (within 2 years since graduating from a 4-year program, 2-year program, or graduate program) you can ask for the $1,000 college grad discount to be applied to your purchase. They will ask for a copy of your diploma and transcripts once you complete your deal. My first payment is 45 days from purchase date.

One of the most important thing you have to remember before you start your first car purchase experience: make sure you EAT something before you go! When I bought my Whiteout unicorn last month, I went around lunch time and had forgone lunch as I wasn't hungry. Needless to say, 2.5 hours into the buying experience while sitting in the finance office, I was SOOO HUNGRY! It made it quite difficult to concentrate in the midst of all the paperwork you have to sign and on top of that what warranties you should turn down. Needless to say, when I got home that night I realized I probably should have said "No" more times than I didn't while sitting in the finance office. Now I am in the process of cancelling these warranties, so hopefully they won't give me too much trouble.

If you don't eat something before you go make your car purchase, at least pack a snack :thumbup:

that_one_guy 01-08-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kthxbai (Post 651643)
If you don't eat something before you go make your car purchase, at least pack a snack :thumbup:

Haha, this is so simple but really does make a difference!

Also, add your new car to your current insurance policy before you cancel your old car. They usually give you a multi car discount, then when you cancel your old car that discount remains:thumbsup:

shaggy 01-08-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kthxbai (Post 651643)
If you don't eat something before you go make your car purchase, at least pack a snack :thumbup:


^True Talk!

RRnold 01-08-2013 02:44 PM

Which Toyota/Scion dealership is it? I would suggest seeing how much you can get your Integra sold privately since they might not give you what you want if you trade it in.

Also check the rates between the dealership and your bank. Sometimes the dealership finance is better than most banks and vice versa. Having your check ready and understanding what your payments and rates are before you walk into the dealership can reduce a lot of the hassle.

You're shit out of luck b/c of the Pure Pricing but make sure the additions that are listed are the stuff that you actually want. I know at Frank Toyota, they don't accept deposits so if there a specific build that you want, they can get it for you. Don't feel compelled to pay for a rear bumper applique and front clear bra if you don't want it.

The hot lava FR-S at KMT has been there for a while and will be if they plan to keep all of that ugly carbon lay and sticker kit. :barf:

marky 01-08-2013 02:47 PM

I see thanks..yeah did know that dealers don't offer much on trade in..I think I'm better off selling it private..I will see what they have to offer first.. This will be a Toyota dealer cus scion ones in my area are all dry out of them..well have some but not the nice unicorn color I'm looking for..

Also called my AAA and I can transfer my insurance as soon as I get it and just give then the car vin number..

Not a college grad yet:bonk:

As for the car im buying it:burnrubber: this will be my first real car and I'm going to pass it down when I have kids of my own... Life is about fun.. Growing old is mandatory but growing up is optional :lol: really hope I can drive off home with it today.. Saw one couple days ago and had a dream about it:bonk:

As for snack I have a California burrito on stand by :D

Thanks guys..

kthxbai 01-08-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by marky (Post 651727)

Not a college grad yet:bonk:

As for snack I have a California burrito on stand by :D.

Fine print on the recent college grad rebate states that if you are within 6 months of graduating college, the rebate still applies.

Just be patient and come to grips that if the #s don't work out, you must be willing to walk away or suffer paying more than what you planned for initially. If you do drive away in a unicorn, welcome to the unicorn family:party0030:

Pete 01-08-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kthxbai (Post 651757)
Fine print on the recent college grad rebate states that if you are within 6 months of graduating college, the rebate still applies.

Just be patient and come to grips that if the #s don't work out, you must be willing to walk away or suffer paying more than what you planned for initially. If you do drive away in a unicorn, welcome to the unicorn family:party0030:

1k rebate for military vets as well. Just need a military ID or similar.

marky 01-08-2013 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kthxbai (Post 651757)
Fine print on the recent college grad rebate states that if you are within 6 months of graduating college, the rebate still applies.

Just be patient and come to grips that if the #s don't work out, you must be willing to walk away or suffer paying more than what you planned for initially. If you do drive away in a unicorn, welcome to the unicorn family:party0030:

No need to fear I'm single with no kids :happy0180: and I have no life but cars/rc racing/flying rec helis.. Just can't wait to test drive one.. Hopeful I drive away with it today.. As for monthly payment say Im paying 480$ a month can I add more to it? Or has to be exactly 480$ a month?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete (Post 651775)
1k rebate for military vets as well. Just need a military ID or similar.

I'm thinking about joining too..hmmmm thinking thinking....

kthxbai 01-08-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by marky (Post 651805)
As for monthly payment say Im paying 480$ a month can I add more to it? Or has to be exactly 480$ a month?

This and APR is always negotiable.

marky 01-08-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kthxbai (Post 651814)
This and APR is always negotiable.

I see...

Do they have like auto deposit from checking or have like a account online so I can see how much I own and make payments online? Like a paperless mailing/payments..

I normally shred papers if I get paper mail.. I do all my payments online or go to the place if I'm near by..

rapidcars 01-08-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by marky (Post 651841)
I see...

Do they have like auto deposit from checking or have like a account online so I can see how much I own and make payments online? Like a paperless mailing/payments..

I normally shred papers if I get paper mail.. I do all my payments online or go to the place if I'm near by..

They should. Depends on the bank that gives you the loan but I'd imagine almost all of them have something like that by now.

Kensurs 01-08-2013 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by marky (Post 651841)
I see...

Do they have like auto deposit from checking or have like a account online so I can see how much I own and make payments online? Like a paperless mailing/payments..

I normally shred papers if I get paper mail.. I do all my payments online or go to the place if I'm near by..

I was financed through Toyota, and they have a nice online payment system that shows you your accrued interest, upcoming payment, total remaining, etc. They originally send the bills in the mail, but I opted for paperless billing.

marky 01-08-2013 04:34 PM

Looks like the dealer has installed low jack and tinted the windows and said it will add another couple thounsand ..:iono: Some more has came out the truck and will see what that ones has or colors etc..

Is this right that dealers are putting this on now?? To add it up more ? Was planing on tint anyways..

Also they don't allow test drive at that dealer.. He said it has PDI so people that want to buy it can only drive it :iono: he said that car msrp 26,482 and will total around under 29k/28k

At the other dealer they offer test drive but don't have the whiteout in stock..plus they never mention about installing tints or low jack on there cars..

What's best to do? Go to other dealer that offers test drives to see if I really like the car first..:iono:

Thanks

chenshuo 01-08-2013 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marky (Post 651962)
Looks like the dealer has installed low jack and tinted the windows and said it will add another couple thounsand ..:iono: Some more has came out the truck and will see what that ones has or colors etc..

Is this right that dealers are putting this on now?? To add it up more ? Was planing on tint anyways..

Also they don't allow test drive at that dealer.. He said it has PDI so people that want to buy it can only drive it :iono: he said that car msrp 26,482 and will total around under 29k/28k

At the other dealer they offer test drive but don't have the whiteout in stock..plus they never mention about installing tints or low jack on there cars..

What's best to do? Go to other dealer that offers test drives to see if I really like the car first..:iono:

Thanks

I ordered a BRZ but never test drove. I never test drove an FRS or BRZ cause it's just so hard to find a BRZ sitting there for a test drive.

rapidcars 01-08-2013 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chenshuo (Post 652101)
I ordered a BRZ but never test drove. I never test drove an FRS or BRZ cause it's just so hard to find a BRZ sitting there for a test drive.

I bought one without test driving also. Crazy really but I read enough good things and I wasn't disappointed.

wrxgoose 01-08-2013 05:47 PM

this is the first car i've bought myself from an actual dealer (don't include the used cars when in japan), and i brought my father with me to help. i'm 29, but it's never too early, or too late to get help from your parents. especially when they have extensive experience/knowledge about what you're trying to do

marky 01-08-2013 05:48 PM

I see.. They did say I might be able to go for a little test drive..

As for my trade in for my car I know I might not get much compare to selling it private ..but if I do decide to pull the trigger on the white unicorn and trade in my car too will I have to hand my car to them that same day? I have a system in my car that I would like to take or if possible adds to the value if trade in?

marky 01-08-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wrxgoose (Post 652143)
this is the first car i've bought myself from an actual dealer (don't include the used cars when in japan), and i brought my father with me to help. i'm 29, but it's never too early, or too late to get help from your parents. especially when they have extensive experience/knowledge about what you're trying to do

I will be 29 in Feb 7 so this is like a birthday present from me to me and new years/Christmas gift ...I think I deserve to treat myself to a new nice car.. Been driving this for the past 5+ years now
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...8_120313-1.jpg
Fun to drive and learned how to maintain it and fix it:bonk: this car taught me a lot from driving safe to pushing at its limits on the hills when no one is around:burnrubber:

wrxgoose 01-08-2013 06:06 PM

yeah, i picked up the mini when i got out of the service. as much fun as it's been, i think it's time to go back to RWD. used ot have a miata, and that was tons of fun

that_one_guy 01-08-2013 06:33 PM

I think $480/mo payment is extremely high, but that's just me...

They don't care what system or mods you have done to your car, if anything it only makes them want it less. If you do trade in your car, it is theirs right then so get your stuff out before you trade.

As far as the lojack and tint, it depends what they are charging. I saw a dealer charging around 1K for a tint, but if they are charging close to what it would cost at a tint shop, then why not. 29K otd is still not factoring in interest you pay when you finance so you may actually be looking at closer to 30-31K.

marky 01-08-2013 09:37 PM

At the dealer making a deal.. Man I can believe this Is happening.. I'll be in a better place. Just in car shock I didn't even plan this today lol..just have to sign the finance papers etc. And see..drove the car very nice

Just wow.. In shock :bonk:

jmaryt 01-08-2013 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by marky (Post 651962)
Looks like the dealer has installed low jack and tinted the windows and said it will add another couple thounsand ..:iono: Some more has came out the truck and will see what that ones has or colors etc..

Is this right that dealers are putting this on now?? To add it up more ? Was planing on tint anyways..

Also they don't allow test drive at that dealer.. He said it has PDI so people that want to buy it can only drive it :iono: he said that car msrp 26,482 and will total around under 29k/28k

At the other dealer they offer test drive but don't have the whiteout in stock..plus they never mention about installing tints or low jack on there cars..

What's best to do? Go to other dealer that offers test drives to see if I really like the car first..:iono:

Thanks

yes! get what you want! don't be pressured to spend extra on stuff you don't want! remember! as "henry ford once said,"any color you want as long as it's black!" point is,they are not gonna stop makin' the car,so eventually you can get the car exactly the way you want it! just sayin'

jflogerzi 01-08-2013 09:45 PM

Also try Car Max. Dealers will normally match there trade-in. If not you have a better offer and can use that as part of your down payment. Also don't be afraid to walk if the numbers don't make sense or its to much for you. Wait 6 months to a year and try again. Lastly if you can, try getting an auto loan through a credit union(if your credit score is good)

jflogerzi 01-08-2013 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by marky (Post 652628)
At the dealer making a deal.. Man I can believe this Is happening.. I'll be in a better place. Just in car shock I didn't even plan this today lol..just have to sign the finance papers etc. And see..drove the car very nice

Just wow.. In shock :bonk:

congrats!

BTW Pictures or it did not happen! :thumbsup:

marky 01-08-2013 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jflogerzi (Post 652653)
congrats!

BTW Pictures or it did not happen! :thumbsup:

Hold your horsey
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...108_180326.jpg

kthxbai 01-08-2013 10:12 PM

Those could be keys to anything!! Pics or it didn't happen!! j/k

No seriously, where are the pics :D

jflogerzi 01-08-2013 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by marky (Post 652706)

Congrats! Now we just need the money shot ;)

86 FRS 01-08-2013 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marky (Post 652706)


now wheres the pictures pare? lol that maybe keys for a corolla? jk

marky 01-08-2013 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jflogerzi (Post 652760)
Congrats! Now we just need the money shot ;)

Money shot :)
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...108_184305.jpg

Holy carp I'm hungry and tired :bonk: still in shock.. I feel a bit car sick.. Is that normal? Still cant believe I have it..this day was not planned

kthxbai 01-09-2013 12:04 AM

:party0030: Congrats!! Welcome to the unicorn family!! Time for a victory dinner!!

marky 01-09-2013 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kthxbai (Post 653004)
:party0030: Congrats!! Welcome to the unicorn family!! Time for a victory dinner!!

More like eat noodles now and sleep..:bonk: Never had a baby but now all my money is going to support this:bonk:baby..

Lots of head turning on the 30+ mile drive home:confused0068:

Never had to mange my money but now life is kicking in:bonk: I'm sure after a while I'll wake up and accept that I have a new car.. Time to save money..

Still getting use to have 6 gears now.. Very low rpm at 65mph on the freeway..

Going to be a nice sleep tonight and get ready for first day of work :burnrubber: turning head on the way...

jflogerzi 01-09-2013 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by marky (Post 652982)
Money shot :)
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...108_184305.jpg

Holy carp I'm hungry and tired :bonk: still in shock.. I feel a bit car sick.. Is that normal? Still cant believe I have it..this day was not planned

Yes! She is beautiful :party0030:

Congrats!

shaggy 01-09-2013 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by marky (Post 653035)
More like eat noodles now and sleep..:bonk: Never had a baby but now all my money is going to support this:bonk:baby..

Lots of head turning on the 30+ mile drive home:confused0068:

Never had to mange my money but now life is kicking in:bonk: I'm sure after a while I'll wake up and accept that I have a new car.. Time to save money..

Still getting use to have 6 gears now.. Very low rpm at 65mph on the freeway..

Going to be a nice sleep tonight and get ready for first day of work :burnrubber: turning head on the way...


Congrats dude! I remember the night I brought mine home. Got home at about 7pm. Showered, ate, tucked the kids in and passed out by 10pm. Woke up to take a leak at 3 am. Ended up in the garage just looking at the car for about hour. Decided to sit in it a little while and fell asleep in it. My wife woke me up as she was taking the kids to school. She thought I had left for work when she woke up and didn't t see me in the house

xanth123 01-09-2013 03:13 AM

Congrats dude looks so nice. I'll be getting mine in Feb! White out also. :)

The dealer offer some chip protect from the front of the car with lifetime warranty for $995. Think I should get it?

marky 01-09-2013 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jflogerzi (Post 653045)
Yes! She is beautiful :party0030:

Congrats!

thanks:thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaggy (Post 653153)
Congrats dude! I remember the night I brought mine home. Got home at about 7pm. Showered, ate, tucked the kids in and passed out by 10pm. Woke up to take a leak at 3 am. Ended up in the garage just looking at the car for about hour. Decided to sit in it a little while and fell asleep in it. My wife woke me up as she was taking the kids to school. She thought I had left for work when she woke up and didn't t see me in the house

lol nice..bout to crash out and sleep now 11pm have to wake up 6am:burnrubber:.. still cant believe i have this 86.. after seeing it on the street and had a quick dream about it still in shock:eyebulge: when will it sink in?:iono:

anyways thanks everyone for the help/advice.. this day was not even planed..

now i have one problem.... a cat that likes to jump up my car..:paddle: my integra had all sorts of scratches... anything to stop that cat from climbing my car? whats a good car cover ? nothing high expensive ...

but anyways another shot at the dealers before i filled up all them crazy paper work:bonk:so im official 86 member or what?
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...108_160051.jpg


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