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illmatic 12-26-2012 08:58 PM

BRZEdit (ECUEdit)
 
For the people that have Tactrix 2.0 cables. A software solution for logging and reflashing will soon be available.:thumbup:

FYI:I'm in no way affiliated with epifansoft/ecu edit.

Update:Should be available late Jan. 2013.


http://www.epifansoft.com/brzEdit.html
Teaser pic:
http://www.epifansoft.com/phpBB3/dow...d=88&mode=view

arghx7 12-26-2012 09:05 PM

totally depends on price and features...

xwd 12-26-2012 10:07 PM

The software has been around for years but isn't all that popular since its not free like he other solutions like ecuflash. There was a lot of hullabaloo because ecuedit is based off original open source work and they started charging for it.

It will likely support the editing needed for retunes but no real advanced features like Ecutek has.

nix 12-26-2012 11:31 PM

There's already some tuners using it, it has d4s support and per gear rev limiter etc but I don't know what other features.

xjohnx 12-27-2012 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nix (Post 628837)
There's already some tuners using it, it has d4s support and per gear rev limiter etc but I don't know what other features.

Out of curiosity, which tuners?

NotSoJDM 12-27-2012 12:28 AM

I'm curious to see what features will be available and pricing as well. Any current users/testers care to chime in?


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chutrain 12-27-2012 01:18 AM

Most open source tuners should be able to tune with it. But with the features and fast advancement of Ecutek, this seems a bit antiquated.

xjohnx 12-27-2012 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwx (Post 628676)
It will likely support the editing needed for retunes but no real advanced features like Ecutek has.

For clarification, this won't be able to re-tune tune-files from ECUtek tuners, correct?

NotSoJDM 12-27-2012 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 629399)
For clarification, this won't be able to re-tune tune-files from ECUtek tuners, correct?

That will depend on what file extension is used, I would imagine.

For example, on my older Nissan I can use any of the tuning software available to me to modify my tune because they all have the capability of editing a .bin file. However, if you don't use the same address file to open the tune with then you won't have the ability to modify/read all the same parameters. But they all will be able to modify the same basic tables like VE, Fuel, Timing maps and the K Value, Latency, and Rev Limit.

xwd 12-27-2012 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 629399)
For clarification, this won't be able to re-tune tune-files from ECUtek tuners, correct?

No Ecutek uses a proprietary encrypted binary format.

I believe Ecuedit uses an XML file which is plaintext but don't quote me on that. With ecuedit the tunes are basically open for anyone to share or use, you are just paying for the software.

The software used to be like $150 and the cable is $169 right now. Ecutek is 200 plus the cable, but you HAVE to pay for a tune, you can't just have your friend send you one, unless your friend is a licensed ecutek tuner.

idontwan2know 12-27-2012 05:36 PM

Competition is good for the consumer. I'll leave it at that.

arghx7 12-27-2012 05:44 PM

This will succeed if it allows affordable self-tuning and/or undercuts the price for the "I just need some way to load somebody else's tune" market

It can't try to beat ECUtek at its own game, because ECUtek got there first.

xwd 12-27-2012 06:46 PM

The $150 version was also the one which letss you edit maps and has more advanced features, the version that lets you just flash was like $50.

idontwan2know 12-28-2012 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arghx7 (Post 630004)
This will succeed if it allows affordable self-tuning and/or undercuts the price for the "I just need some way to load somebody else's tune" market

It can't try to beat ECUtek at its own game, because ECUtek got there first.

Exactly. ECUTek is an awesome piece of software, but is way more powerful than a lot of consumers need/want. Many will pay for it now because it's the only option.

The people selling tunes would be crazy not to adopt this as well. They will sell a whole lot more tunes if the initial cost is cut in half.

eljefe 12-28-2012 12:20 PM

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NXl8GQwHrh...anye+West+.png
I'm really happy for you and i'm gonna let you finish, but open source tuning solutions are the greatest thing of all time. OF ALL TIME.

Seriously though, thanks for posting this. I'm just being a jackass.

xjohnx 12-28-2012 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idontwan2know (Post 630757)
The people selling tunes would be crazy not to adopt this as well. They will sell a whole lot more tunes if the initial cost is cut in half.

If this solution works as dwx said (plaintext XML), then the tuners selling tunes would be crazy TO adopt this. Once a customer buys a tune, there would be nothing stopping that person from from copying/reselling the tune as their own, or even uploading it to the web for BRZ owners everywhere to download.

eljefe 12-28-2012 01:32 PM

Tuners would still make money. Just because i can go download a basemap to get my car running doesnt mean its tuned. It just means i dont have to have it towed to a shop to be tuned after i install my turbo kit or whatever else.

Either way the car still needs to be dyno tuned, whether or not the tune itself is in an open format.

arghx7 12-28-2012 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 631532)
If this solution works as dwx said (plaintext XML), then the tuners selling tunes would be crazy TO adopt this. Once a customer buys a tune, there would be nothing stopping that person from from copying/reselling the tune as their own, or even uploading it to the web for BRZ owners everywhere to download.

I've tuned a lot of cars and I can tell you that this is only half-true. It applies more for vehicles with very basic modifications. When you buy a tune, you are often buying a service and expertise more than you are buying some drop-in product. Variations in hardware (intake systems, fuel systems, exhaust), fuel quality, and the intended use of the vehicle make many tunes a one-off job.

I've tuned a lot of (non-BRZ) cars and publicly showed parts of timing maps, AFR curves, etc. It doesn't matter as much as you think. Setups vary a lot, and ever tune is built off somebody else's work whether it's something the OEM did or some information obtained over the itnernet.

industrial 12-28-2012 03:27 PM

This is great news. I'm glad there are other tuning solutions slowly coming to light. As great as ecutek is, they've burned me in the past. Open source is really the way to go!

xwd 12-28-2012 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 631532)
If this solution works as dwx said (plaintext XML), then the tuners selling tunes would be crazy TO adopt this. Once a customer buys a tune, there would be nothing stopping that person from from copying/reselling the tune as their own, or even uploading it to the web for BRZ owners everywhere to download.

That's the way most tuning solutions work, as opposed to Ecutek where you have maps locked to cars. Tuners normally make money tuning, not selling maps, which is one of the big rubs on Ecutek. Most tuners don't really even like the hassle involved with Ecutek and having to generate maps for specific customers, etc. With open source, Cobb AccessPort, or even standalones the maps are pretty open for everyone to use.

seven 12-28-2012 06:34 PM

Very interesting in seeing this.
Coming from the LSx land where you can pick up HPTuners suite and a cable for $450ish and tune yourself... ECUTek seems overpriced to me, costs almost $1000 by the time your done and all you can do then is load a tune, meh.
I can't wait to see how open source comes along for this.

Visconti 01-01-2013 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nix (Post 628837)
There's already some tuners using it, it has d4s support and per gear rev limiter etc but I don't know what other features.


First off , this software does not flash yet.

Does not do anything yet...maybe log??

Screenshots from the ecutek software was sent to this software guy..

I'm aware of the dealer that was involved in this.

Which is the main reason all the table names are blurred out and not shown.

The guy who makes the ecuedit, mazdaedit, gtredit, brzedit software does not know how to do custom code.

Per Gear Rev Limits requires custom code - and although some of the stuff EcuTek has done can be rewritten by someone else, it can not be sucked out and put into other ecus with out EcuTek software.

I'm all for having another option, but please understand this is nothing more than screenshots and this software does not do a single thing yet.

-John

Sportsguy83 01-01-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Visconti (Post 637720)
Screenshots from the ecutek software was sent to this software guy..

I'm aware of the dealer that was involved in this.

-John

I'm gonna go on a limb here and connect dots from here and other sources and say it was the same vendor who requested logs from your tune before actually producing their tune. :bonk:

nix 01-01-2013 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Visconti (Post 637720)
I'm all for having another option, but please understand this is nothing more than screenshots and this software does not do a single thing yet.

-John

If that's the case someone has been bullshitting me hard!!

Visconti 01-01-2013 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nix (Post 638239)
If that's the case someone has been bullshitting me hard!!

Very hard

Just like that open source thread over 6 months ago on another forum where someone said they were able to read the Ecu out with ecuflash...

Then nothing came of it

DriftEightSix 01-02-2013 08:42 AM

keen to see what can come of this...

if you were to go down this route when the software is available what cable would you need?

Visconti 01-02-2013 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DriftEightSix (Post 639188)
keen to see what can come of this...

if you were to go down this route when the software is available what cable would you need?

A Tactrix cable

Openecu.com

gmookher 01-02-2013 09:35 AM

not worth it. ecutek is where its at for our ecu

or just go haltech

Foobar 01-02-2013 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 637730)
I'm gonna go on a limb here and connect dots from here and other sources and say it was the same vendor who requested logs from your tune before actually producing their tune. :bonk:

Who is this vendor? No point in protecting their identity, if they're doing shady practices, I think it would be in the community's best interest to know. Stealing Visconti's work and now ECUTek's UI look and feel/functionality?

Sportsguy83 01-02-2013 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 639985)
Who is this vendor? No point in protecting their identity, if they're doing shady practices, I think it would be in the community's best interest to know. Stealing Visconti's work and now ECUTek's UI look and feel/functionality?

That is not my call. I am just a bystander. Visconti had posted some time ago in his ECUTek thread " vendor asking for logs of my tune before sending his tunes, stay classy". didn't mention any names. I personally don't know the name. I am making assumptions based on that Visconti statement and something a friend told that is totally unrelated, but adding both of them together makes sense. Nothing to look at here really. I might be COMPLETELY off in my dot connecting.

Dynotronics1 01-02-2013 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 640005)
That is not my call. I am just a bystander. Visconti had posted some time ago in his ECUTek thread " vendor asking for logs of my tune before sending his tunes, stay classy". didn't mention any names. I personally don't know the name. I am making assumptions based on that Visconti statement and something a friend told that is totally unrelated, but adding both of them together makes sense. Nothing to look at here really. I might be COMPLETELY off in my dot connecting.

no your probably pretty close on your guess. JV has not told me who it is, but I have a good idea also

xjohnx 01-02-2013 05:40 PM

:thumbsup:

seven 01-02-2013 05:55 PM

So this is basically a gossip thread now????

Sportsguy83 01-02-2013 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seven (Post 640275)
So this is basically a gossip thread now????

Considering ECUEdit doesn't really do much at the moment... Why not?? :lol:

seven 01-02-2013 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 640279)
Considering ECUEdit doesn't really do much at the moment... Why not?? :lol:

I come in here hoping for new info on something that's finally end user programmable with the factory ECU... and all the new posts are gossip... Feels bad man

Sportsguy83 01-02-2013 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seven (Post 640294)
I come in here hoping for new info on something that's finally end user programmable with the factory ECU... and all the new posts are gossip... Feels bad man

Lighten up man, its a time for joy and laughs. Happy new year!!

Foobar 01-02-2013 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seven (Post 640275)
So this is basically a gossip thread now????

As far as I can tell, it started out that way. Hopefully the people who are actually involved in this product will eventually come on here and provide information.

seven 01-02-2013 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 640302)
Lighten up man, its a time for joy and laughs. Happy new year!!

I was kinda joking (see: "feels bad man")

I'm just kinda saddened by the lack of end user options for this car

Foobar 01-02-2013 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seven (Post 640403)
I was kinda joking (see: "feels bad man")

I'm just kinda saddened by the lack of end user options for this car

Yeah, agreed completely.

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Scooby South 01-02-2013 09:54 PM

just so I am clear on this...this is the 'open source' variation ... correct???


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