So what is the official weight?
 

I'm getting a little annoyed that all the articles are claiming different weights for the car. Given its engine specs, this is rather critical. I can't believe the BRZ is materially lighter than the FR-S. Can someone point me to Toyota's official specs for the car?

1,180kg (1,601lbs) with 17" wheels
http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyo...FT86II-landing

1600lbs? typo?

just expect it to be around 2700-2800. with a full tank and the driver

That is 2596 lbs:party0030:
KG to LB is 1 to 2.2

Is that the weight of the car dry or wet?

dry more than likley.

2601 for the base model according to leaked info

high spec should still come in below 2800 I hope

European mags have it listed between 1180 to 1210 kilograms, what does that compute to in lbs ?

Hey brillo,

There's still some confusion over what exactly is the official weight. So far, these are the official sources:

Leaked training manual for the 86: 2660 pounds for low-spec, 2710 pounds for high-spec (Japan)
UK website for GT-86: 2600 pounds (UK)
Official Subaru BRZ press release: 2690 pounds average (Japan? Maybe?)

Of course we still don't know if the US version will differ markedly from those weights or how those weights were arrived at. The waiting continues...

(And I'm sad to say it's probably going to miss what I want by just a tiny little bit, but still miss it.)

So long as the low spec gets all the performance goodies I don't care about nav etc....

Agreed.

Does make me wonder how much more weight you could take off this car.

inside line (yeah not official) keeps claiming 2822 pounds


http://www.insideline.com/toyota/86/...rst-drive.html

http://www.insideline.com/scion/fr-s...rst-drive.html


guess slushy + full tank + fluids could add a couple of hundred pounds. I cant see Nav adding that much weight, I don't think there is a sunroof option

Until we see the actual service manuals with the actual U.S. spec curb weights listed in relation to actual vehicle options, its just a guessing game.

I wouldn't worry about some mags saying 28xx pounds. Based on the leaked info, it's not that heavy.

http://bit.ly/tZPpzK

I would guess you can get another 100lbs without gutting the interior etc.. light weight wheels, tires, battery, remove spare kit etc... will go along way. Wheels should make a real difference on a car this light already.

The given weight is curb weight and dry weight, so this means with fluids and with 90% full tank.

The lowest weight is 1180 kg. It is for the car with 16" rims, without radio, A/C,....
The low-spec is at 1210 kg and high spec Subaru at 1230 kg.

Dry weight would be about +1100 kg

What's been leaked or released so far:

Toyota:
Racing spec is 1180-1190 kg.
Base trim is 1210 kg.
High-end trim is 1230 kg.

BRZ
"Estimated average" is 1220 kg.

So it'll be more than 2425 pounds dry (that was the weight of the race-prepped car at Nurburgring).

I assume the drive shaft is steel and will go around 40-70lb just like 240SX. That can be saved by aluminum drive shaft for around 20-25lb of savings. After light weight wheels and better Y split dual muffler, that'll be my next performance upgrade. Since header is equal length, it won't need to be touched. Scion will have very few interior parts other than seats with airbags that can be removed for significant savings.

The drive shaft isn't heavy on Subaru's. Maybe 25-30lbs at most, and this one is shorter than your average Subaru driveshaft so probably even less.

Will probably get around 2350 lbs with moderate weight reduction. That's light!

I wonder if those lightweight seats will be an option that I've seen on some other threads. That'd be a cool option that would still get you good factory fitment and adjustment while lowering the weight a fair amount.

Definitely pulling the spare and throwing a can of fix a flat in there.

I am just curious how this car is so heavy? I believe my wifes car to be just over 2600lbs (08 civic 4 door lx), seems like with it being a bigger car it would weigh more.

THe DX is 2600... if your wifes is an automatic lx it's probably 2700. Valid question though...

I made a thread about this, I guess I need to bump it...

Your thread seems to be talking about subarus and various motor weights, how can a eco modern car (2008civic 4dr auto) be so comparable to a car designed to be light?

One reason that comes to mind is that the FR-S is a MR layout, compared to the FF layout of the Civic. I suspect that the addition of a driveshaft and rear differential isn't going to be trivial.

However, also consider that the FR-S is being designed with even more safety/convenience features in mind (I suspect) and probably has sturdier hardware (brakes, wheels, suspension parts) to support its sporting intentions.

That was part of my analysis. FWD Imprezas weighed under 2400lbs. If you made a 2008 Civic RWD, it would wind up being over 2800lbs.

The US market BRZ will weigh 2770lbs.

Cheers,
Hong

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The factory steel two piece driveshaft on my 1990 Nissan 240sx 5MT weighed in at 20 pounds. Aftermarket aluminum units are 11-13 pounds. Carbon fiber units are right around 8.

The weight lost from a racing battery is much cheaper per pound than nearly any other weight reduction part you can purchase. The most expensive on my list is wheels.

My own post of cost to weight reduced for S13 240's. This does apply as a general picture to many other cars too.
http://nissanroadracing.com/showthread.php?t=2880

S14 driveshafts are very similar in weight as well.

I was looking at Ed's twitter, but I didn't notice a reference to the US market. I guess it makes sense since the Japanese market weight is 2690, but I'd like solid confirmation.

(At 2770, it is, sadly, too heavy for me...)

With a full tank a drive (normal condition), it should be around 3,000 lb.

2770 is probably a fully loaded model, possibly even with the automatic.

Lightweight battery + lightweight seats + CF hood + CF trunk lid + cleaned up engine bay + aluminum driveshaft + forged wheels + coilovers = ~120 lbs of weight savings? I bet the doors are really heavy because of the safety regulations...

You don't even need to do that, just drive with 1/4 tank of gas and you'll save about 40 lbs. Remove the spare tire/trunk organizer and you'll save another 30-40 lbs. But yes, with moderate weight reduction I can see this car under 2600 lbs.

I would like to move the battery to the trunk, decent chunk of weight to remove off the nose, they should of done it from the beginning like BMW does

are the FR-S standard wheels 16'' or 17''? I only ask as the BRZ appears to have 18''s in some of the reviews which makes me think base is 17'' and upgrade is 18'' as they appear to share the same wheels.

Wheels and tires can make a material difference in weight. I assume the FR-S will be lighter than the BRZ but I'm still seeing all kinds of weights thrown around on the reviews which makes me kinda nervous.

I'm not sure if we know which wheels are stock. The ones at the reveal were 17", but 16" are available in Japan. For sure we will get the 17", but I'm not sure if we will get the 16". If you put a gun to my head and forced me to predict, I would say perhaps we won't get the 16" wheels, but that's more a gut feel thing.

I'm a little late to the party, but being both a sucker for precise data and bored, I though this would be interesting:

http://i.imgur.com/ButG8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XmdoC.jpg

In case the image goes dead, it gives a verified weight of 1235kg (2 722lbs) for a RHD pre-FL euro-spec 86, with GPS / Leather / HIDs / etc. That's with all fluids and 50% of the tank. No luggage or driver.

I was also wondering if anyone had data on the FL vs. non-FL weights?

FYI there are 5 updates went into current 86 (A~E). Each one became heavier. So not sure 2,722lbs is E model or A model.

& if you're wondering A model is the lightest one of all.