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Ben_G 12-12-2012 04:16 PM

Frozen window solution?
 
Ok....i'm fairly certain that this is going to get :flame: all to hell, BUT, has anyone ever tried using a battery powered heater like this:

http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/port...defroster.html

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/sports-imports_2240_11270736

I know that anything battery powered probably wouldn't put out a lot of heat, but I don't think a lot of heat is needed to prevent frost from forming on the windows and jamming them in the morning??

Ranatsu 12-12-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben_G (Post 604854)
Ok....i'm fairly certain that this is going to get :flame: all to hell, BUT, has anyone ever tried using a battery powered heater like this:

http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/port...defroster.html

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/sports-imports_2240_11270736

I know that anything battery powered probably wouldn't put out a lot of heat, but I don't think a lot of heat is needed to prevent frost from forming on the windows and jamming them in the morning??

why don't you lay a towel across the window instead?

Ben_G 12-12-2012 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranatsu (Post 604869)
why don't you lay a towel across the window instead?

Oh, I wasn't really thinking about the windshield.... more for preventing the door windows from jamming from icing overnight.....

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23159

Ranatsu 12-12-2012 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben_G (Post 604891)
Oh, I wasn't really thinking about the windshield.... more for preventing the door windows from jamming from icing overnight.....

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23159

Right, but couldn't you do something similiar? Maybe a car cover or a blanket draped across the top of the car? I don't have to experience snow/ice like those up north so these are simply uneducated ideas.

Ben_G 12-12-2012 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranatsu (Post 604966)
Right, but couldn't you do something similiar? Maybe a car cover or a blanket draped across the top of the car? I don't have to experience snow/ice like those up north so these are simply uneducated ideas.

I've thought about that before, but a small blanket/towel would get blown away and I don't want to deal with a large car cover every morning..... :(

CircuitJerk 12-12-2012 09:57 PM

Biggest problem is water getting in the door while you're warmed up and then parking = FROZEN
No blanket is going to protect from that.

Need some way to identify the freeze points exactly, and address those points accordingly. Problem with that is, this assembly seems particularly susceptible to abnormal water retention (that is, what I believe to be longer or more than normal)
I noticed this the first time I washed the car. Even 24 hours after washing, rolling the window down, then back up, the window picks up water again.

Ben_G 12-12-2012 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CircuitJerk (Post 605500)
Biggest problem is water getting in the door while you're warmed up and then parking = FROZEN
No blanket is going to protect from that.

Need some way to identify the freeze points exactly, and address those points accordingly. Problem with that is, this assembly seems particularly susceptible to abnormal water retention (that is, what I believe to be longer or more than normal)
I noticed this the first time I washed the car. Even 24 hours after washing, rolling the window down, then back up, the window picks up water again.

I noticed that too. I see it even with just the window movement from opening the door, so I assumed that it has to do with the fuzzy seal at the base of the window retaining moisture and somehow causing the window to freeze to it (yes, I know that doesn't really make sense, but a lot of the problems with this car don't make sense!)

If (and that's a massive if) the above is true, then I figure that a heater would be enough to either a) prevent the freezing, or b) keep it melty enough that any freezing doesn't overcome the jam detection.

Asphalt~86 12-12-2012 11:02 PM

Pam.

Dusky 12-12-2012 11:07 PM

Yeah, we need a solution. I am tired of resetting the windows every fracking day.

CircuitJerk 12-12-2012 11:42 PM

The heater doesn't seem like a practical solution. If anything I would be worried about damage or a fire hazard.
In order to avoid freezing you'd need to heat the cabin up significantly for it to warm the air pocket in the door.

I hate to even consider chemicals as the implications are not only messy but could cause other unwanted side effects.

LOL@ Pam

Razz 12-13-2012 12:46 AM

You can program the windows so they don't auto open. Problem solved.

BRZnut 12-13-2012 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Razz (Post 605790)
You can program the windows so they don't auto open. Problem solved.

How??? And won't that make it hard to open the door??

Tt3Sheppard 12-14-2012 03:31 PM

I'm pretty sure they have to move down based on the design of the door/trim

Rayme 12-14-2012 03:38 PM

Serious question... why not live with it???

I have YET to get a car that the windows don't get frozen shut on cold morning, they eventually warm up during the day/driving.

Mines are frozen almost every morning...and it doesn't affect anything else.

Ben_G 12-14-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopilot (Post 609216)
Serious question... why not live with it???

I have YET to get a car that the windows don't get frozen shut on cold morning, they eventually warm up during the day/driving.

Mines are frozen almost every morning...and it doesn't affect anything else.

If it was a framed door, I would... and if it was a frameless window that didn't have the auto crack feature, I would too.... and I guess if there isn't any fix short of parking it in a garage, I would eventually just accept it as a fact of ownership.

It just seems that the system is overly sensitive to moisture.... and I never really noticed any of my friends BMW 3 series back when they had frameless windows suffering from the same problem (although they had countless OTHER issues! :lol:).

Jayde 12-14-2012 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razz (Post 605790)
You can program the windows so they don't auto open. Problem solved.

Link?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tt3Sheppard (Post 609186)
I'm pretty sure they have to move down based on the design of the door/trim

The door can still be open and closed if the window is at full height.

Razz 12-14-2012 09:54 PM

Go to the dealer. I believe they have to program the auto window function.

Same for DRL's on or off.

CircuitJerk 12-15-2012 08:02 AM

I don't recall seeing an option to disable the auto scroll function.
And I'll confirm you can open and close the door without it.

WatchmaN 12-15-2012 08:30 AM

What I do before opening the door is to push all around it, where it as contact with rubber. It works 9 times out of 10.

maxov 12-15-2012 10:14 AM

take a card and slide it between the windows and the seal before open it is gonna solve the reset problem each morning,

Rich1 12-16-2012 10:37 PM

Silicone spray
 
I have used some silicone spray lubricant to prevent the window from sticking to the rubber trim around the frame. I sprayed some on a shop towel and ran it over the trim. There is no longer any sticking.

As for the bottom of the window at the door I'm wrestling with a squeaking issue right now. Any tips? Looks like something is misaligned since I get some strip streaks on the window. I guess I could also try silicone spray lubricant there too - just don't want it all over my glass as I roll the window up.

I also agree with the excess moisture. Almost like our doors have some kind of internal sponge soaking up all that water.

BoxeRZ 12-17-2012 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich1 (Post 612664)
I have used some silicone spray lubricant to prevent the window from sticking to the rubber trim around the frame. I sprayed some on a shop towel and ran it over the trim. There is no longer any sticking.

As for the bottom of the window at the door I'm wrestling with a squeaking issue right now. Any tips? Looks like something is misaligned since I get some strip streaks on the window. I guess I could also try silicone spray lubricant there too - just don't want it all over my glass as I roll the window up.

I also agree with the excess moisture. Almost like our doors have some kind of internal sponge soaking up all that water.

Interesting idea with the silicone spray, you worried about the chemicals eating away the rubber? Been dealing with the squeak/streaking on both windows, worse on drivers though. I want to take the door panel off but heard some people saying the moisture shield inside seems like a one-time use and break seal if taken off. I guess it'll be a warranty thing.


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