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Zaneman 12-12-2012 02:18 PM

Siphoning gas
 
Am I the first person to attempt this? I can't be? Is there some sort of baffle in the fuel tank on these cars? No matter how much tubing I shoved down into the gas tank I was unable to reach more then what seemed to be an inch or less of gas.

I've done this on a car and motorcycle with relative ease but on the BRZ I'm just baffled :sigh:

cgrey 12-12-2012 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaneman (Post 604511)
Is there some sort of baffle in the fuel tank on these cars? I'm just baffled :sigh:

Yes. Almost all cars now. Possibly all.

dorifuto 12-12-2012 02:31 PM

suck harder, maybe apply a stroking action.:thumbsup:

Grimlock 12-12-2012 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cgrey (Post 604521)
Yes. Almost all cars now. Possibly all.

Correct. There are screens in the tank to prevent siphoning.

BRZfan 12-12-2012 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dorifuto (Post 604531)
suck harder, maybe apply a stroking action.:thumbsup:

That's not the problem. Mr Circle Jerk. He / She must put more gas in the tank. THis should NEVER be tried with an empty fuel tank. Explosions may occur.

Admiral Ballsy 12-12-2012 03:01 PM

It's not a screen, it's a ball-type check valve. It's there to prevent leaks if the car overturns.

You might be able to get a really small hose past it (thinking something like aquarium air line), but it'd take forever to get any volume through it.

gily25 12-12-2012 05:06 PM

You are siphoning the gas out...why?

Jaylyons1 12-12-2012 05:40 PM

You didn't put diesel in it did you?

dorifuto 12-12-2012 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZfan (Post 604547)
That's not the problem. Mr Circle Jerk. He / She must put more gas in the tank. THis should NEVER be tried with an empty fuel tank. Explosions may occur.

STFU. It was a joke douche. And cars blow up all the time from siphoning too low of a tank too.

BRZfan 12-12-2012 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dorifuto (Post 605187)
STFU. It was a joke douche. And cars blow up all the time from siphoning too low of a tank too.

My first two sentences was joking. My third sentence is agreeable.

dorifuto 12-12-2012 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZfan (Post 605335)
My first two sentences was joking. My third sentence is agreeable.

Well in that case I apologize for my comment. I blame the Internet for it relaying sarcasm.

DeeezNuuuts83 12-12-2012 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaylyons1 (Post 604916)
You didn't put diesel in it did you?

I was thinking the same thing, unless the guy is on a Fast & Furious fuel heist on a significantly smaller scale.

EZWood 12-12-2012 09:37 PM

Even if you get under the car and disconnect the hose you can't really get anything out. If you absolutely need to empty the tank you need to remove it from the vehicle. Sorry for the bad news

jmaryt 12-13-2012 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaylyons1 (Post 604916)
You didn't put diesel in it did you?

no! jet fuel! he wants to go faster!

Zaneman 12-13-2012 01:58 AM

Very funny guys. I was using a hand pump so no sucking required. Gas attendant put in regular 87. Its tuned with Ecutek and I wasn't sure how well it was going to run. I just gave up and poured in a bottle of octane booster. I'm now hoping for the best.

ST185RC 12-13-2012 03:12 AM

Self-serve, now and always. Full service is just full of shit.

Chauntalei 12-13-2012 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ST185RC (Post 605916)
Self-serve, now and always. Full service is just full of shit.

He's in Oregon, self-serve doesn't exist. It's full-service or nothing. It's actually against the law for him to pump his own gas. :P

Zaneman 12-13-2012 05:33 AM

Yup I have no choice but to leave it up to them. It took 9 years and 3 cars that take premium for them to screw up. I think that's pretty good odds if you ask me.

Dadhawk 12-13-2012 09:59 AM

One tank isn't going to be worth all that effort IMHO. A lot of the cars (including mine) were delivered with 87 in them from the dealer. You can minimize it by filling it more frequently the next few times (maybe at 3/4 tank once, then at 1/2 tank a couple of times).

Caveat that with I don't know anything about your tune.

By the way, I HATE WITH A PASSION that the 86 has a gas lid release on it. The gas cover is very flimsy as is and I think it will be an issue long term. Also, mine has actually refused to open on one occasion (had to pop it 4 times before it worked).

gily25 12-13-2012 10:22 AM

Label maker...put a decal on the gas cap...I know there's one on the door but once the cap is on the holder it's out of sight, on the cap will still be visible. Especially if it's white tape on the black cap.

BoxeRZ 12-13-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chauntalei (Post 605965)
He's in Oregon, self-serve doesn't exist. It's full-service or nothing. It's actually against the law for him to pump his own gas. :P

Same thing in New Jersey, so fucking stupid. Years ago I had a serious arguement with a gas attendant because I wanted to pump my own, later on I found out I was in the wrong :iono: I have lived and learned and always fill up in PA before crossing over to no-mans land.

636 12-13-2012 11:44 AM

Just take it easy on that tank of gas man.

cgrey 12-13-2012 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxeRZ (Post 606347)
Same thing in New Jersey, so fucking stupid. Years ago I had a serious arguement with a gas attendant because I wanted to pump my own, later on I found out I was in the wrong :iono: I have lived and learned and always fill up in PA before crossing over to no-mans land.

If you pull up with a motorcycle they just hand over the pump, no argument required.

DeeezNuuuts83 12-13-2012 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaneman (Post 605813)
Very funny guys. I was using a hand pump so no sucking required. Gas attendant put in regular 87. Its tuned with Ecutek and I wasn't sure how well it was going to run. I just gave up and poured in a bottle of octane booster. I'm now hoping for the best.

That makes sense then. I wouldn't worry about it too much if it's just one tank and you take it easy. If it happens in the future, if there's a station with higher octane fuel (like 100), you can just mix some of that in there to help counter the 87.

R L Newb 12-13-2012 02:38 PM

Completely agree with what's been said, on a stg1 87 won't kill anything. Drive like a grandma, keep the rpms down and fill up on 93 a few times.

I just wanted to say that typically subarus have a drain plug in their gas tanks, I would expect the brz to have one as well but haven't checked.

DeeezNuuuts83 12-13-2012 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by R L Newb (Post 606715)
Completely agree with what's been said, on a stg1 87 won't kill anything. Drive like a grandma, keep the rpms down and fill up on 93 a few times.

On top of that, most owners manuals do say that if premium isn't available the car can accept lower octane fuel as long as you keep the rpms down and get better fuel as soon as you can.

BoxeRZ 12-13-2012 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cgrey (Post 606690)
If you pull up with a motorcycle they just hand over the pump, no argument required.

They dont want to hold the pump right over your crotch?? lol
Personally never been a big fan of motorcycles since I flipped my brothers dirt bike at age 12, but I get why people love them. A whole lot of go-fast on not a big budget.

Razz 12-13-2012 04:25 PM

^ Really???

Bikes are over 21k now a days.

Admiral Ballsy 12-13-2012 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Razz (Post 606938)
^ Really???

Bikes are over 21k now a days.


Yeah, really.

What's $21K? Harleys?

The only sport bikes in that price range are some Ducatis and other exotica (Aprilia, et al). BMW 1000RR is ~$16K, Hayabusa/ZX-14 and the various literbikes are in the $11K-$13K range.

Chauntalei 12-13-2012 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Razz (Post 606938)
^ Really???

Bikes are over 21k now a days.

The bike I want is 8k, maybe 9 fully optioned, and yes it's a Harley.

glorydays 12-13-2012 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZfan (Post 604547)
That's not the problem. Mr Circle Jerk. He / She must put more gas in the tank. THis should NEVER be tried with an empty fuel tank. Explosions may occur.

I think u missed the sarcasm.

chanomatik 12-13-2012 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 606218)
By the way, I HATE WITH A PASSION that the 86 has a gas lid release on it. The gas cover is very flimsy as is and I think it will be an issue long term. Also, mine has actually refused to open on one occasion (had to pop it 4 times before it worked).

Did you try bending the metal tab on the lid? I had to do this with one of my Subies when someone else suggested it and the lid stopped requiring my pressing the button several times to unlatch it.

I still press the button more than once out of habit. I hate the thought of pressing it once, going around the car, and having it not open, then having to return to that damn button. haha

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Originally Posted by glorydays (Post 607075)
I think u missed the sarcasm.

The misunderstanding has already been addressed and taken care of within several posts from the one you replied to, sir.

Dadhawk 12-13-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chanomatik (Post 607497)
Did you try bending the metal tab on the lid? I had to do this with one of my Subies when someone else suggested it and the lid stopped requiring my pressing the button several times to unlatch it...

It's only done it once so I haven't had to experiment yet. I guess the real question is what do you do if it refuses to open?

Zaneman 12-13-2012 10:03 PM

Thanks for all the good info guys. Its funny I have a motorcycle and the attendants let me pump my own gas but I've gotten yelled at for pulling out the pump and printing a receipt during busy days when I was in a rush. Babying this car is almost impossible for me but whatever, I can hold off for one tank I guess. So far I have not noticed any issues for the first about 80 miles.

chanomatik 12-14-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 607511)
It's only done it once so I haven't had to experiment yet. I guess the real question is what do you do if it refuses to open?

I had that happen in my 2.5 RS once or twice. It sucks. I think it was because it was cold and the pin wouldn't release the lid. I believe I wound up spraying it with a de-icer.

With my STI and Forester this might have happened, also, but that was before I knew about bending the tab. So, my advice to you is to go ahead and just BEND THAT TAB. Only a tiny bit, though. It doesn't need to be much.


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