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ahausheer 11-28-2011 02:00 AM

Irrational Exuberance ??
 
Forgive me but:

This car was designed to be one of the best handling road cars going right now. Why have none of the reviews come out and said it is among the best? They say it's great, or, a knockout, but no one says, it handles like the Cayman or it's better than a Miata or Rx-8 or S2000 etc etc. Perhaps the test drives were to short but a few laps should be all a professional car journalist needs. Best handling car in its class?, most likely, one of the best handling (non-exotic) cars on the road, not so sure.

Buggy51 11-28-2011 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahausheer (Post 81081)
Forgive me but:

This car was designed to be one of the best handling road cars going right now. Why have none of the reviews come out and said it is among the best? They say it's great, or, a knockout, but no one says, it handles like the Cayman or it's better than a Miata or Rx-8 or S2000 etc etc. Perhaps the test drives were to short but a few laps should be all a professional car journalist needs. Best handling car in its class?, most likely, one of the best handling (non-exotic) cars on the road, not so sure.

If it handles like a Cayman... well... ... what beats a Cayman? o_O;

Hell I think you can buy at least 2.5 FRS/BRZ/GT86's for a Cayman...

Nardi330 11-28-2011 02:34 AM

they may probably need a group test to find out which is the best on that given piece of road!!

Kostamojen 11-28-2011 03:12 AM

Poor man's Cayman? Hardtop Miata? Cheaper S2000?

I think all of those names might be appropriate. Either way, its going to be the car of the decade.

PuGZoR 11-28-2011 03:37 AM

Journalists don't like saying something is the best unless it's a tangible figure like power or torque ratings. Handling is a very subjective topic just like aesthetics. Pretty much the only reviewers I've seen to openly say "this is the best car you can get for $x" is Top Gear.

Brody8877 11-28-2011 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 81107)
Poor man's Cayman? Hardtop Miata? Cheaper S2000?

I think all of those names might be appropriate. Either way, its going to be the car of the decade.


I hope u're right on this!

ahausheer 11-28-2011 10:11 PM

To comment on my own post:

The car hasn't been officially unveiled, perhaps that plays into it. The journalists were driving a ''prototype'' or ''pre-production'' and maybe didn't want to stick their necks out to far to soon. I cant wait for the mags to have competitive comparisons especially if they stick real tires on it to replace those eco B.S. ones.

Fortunate Few 11-28-2011 10:14 PM

Didn't someone say if they were blindfolded they would swear they were in the new BMW M car?

torquemada 11-28-2011 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 81107)
Poor man's Cayman? Hardtop Miata? Cheaper S2000?

I think all of those names might be appropriate. Either way, its going to be the car of the decade.

really, you canīt be serious...letīs wait for the Alfa Romeo 4C, then we talk again

Slide 11-28-2011 10:16 PM

this reviewer said it!

http://www.ausmotive.com/2011/11/28/...-a-cayman.html

torquemada 11-28-2011 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahausheer (Post 81802)
To comment on my own post:

The car hasn't been officially unveiled, perhaps that plays into it. The journalists were driving a ''prototype'' or ''pre-production'' and maybe didn't want to stick their necks out to far to soon. I cant wait for the mags to have competitive comparisons especially if they stick real tires on it to replace those eco B.S. ones.

donīt know how testing goes in the US, but german journalists test the cars like they come from the dealer, they donīt change tires

Slide 11-28-2011 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torquemada (Post 81809)
really, you canīt be serious...letīs wait for the Alfa Romeo 4C, then we talk again

Yes the 4C will be nice!! but not in the same price range... Well atleast not in Australia that car will be sold for atleast 80k whilst this car will be released around 40k range...

ahausheer 11-28-2011 10:22 PM

I have to believe there will be a summer tire option, just my guess.

torquemada 11-28-2011 10:23 PM

well, Kostamojen didnīt say anything about a price for the car of the decade...

estimated prices in germany:
GT86 32k and Alfa 4C 45k....
1220 kg vs 850 to 900 kg
200 na-hp vs 235-250 turbo-hp

which car would you choose?

Spaceywilly 11-28-2011 10:50 PM

There haven't been too many English reviews so far... I don't speak Japanese but in all the videos the driver has a huge smile, that says all I need to know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autocar
Despite this, at its best, the driving experience is a match for the likes of a Porsche Cayman, and accolades don’t come much higher than that. That it can’t reach those heights across as broad a range of conditions as the German-built car shouldn’t detract from its overall success, because the fact that it can even get close is a minor miracle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedhunters
Despite its 197 HP the 86 doesn't excite for its straight-line performance it's out through the corners that it comes alive. It delivers the kind of fun that you can't have in more powerful machinery. I know it sounds strange to say something like this but while you scare yourself silly in cars with tons of power you can concentrate on ringing the absolute maximum out of the 86 paying special attention to how the car behaves to your inputs and feeling for the feedback that comes in through the controls.


Quote:

Originally Posted by autoexpress

Developed to be a reasonably priced sports coupe with serious ‘drifting’ and racing capabilities, we decide to switch off the VSC and traction control to see what happens. After dabbing the firm disc brakes to tuck the nose into a tight left-hander while holding 5,000rpm in 2nd, the initial hint of understeer is replaced by a welcome dose of oversteer that's easily controlled with opposite lock.


Toyota discussed at length its (and Subaru’s) decision to build a lightweight sports car that avoided AWD, turbos and high grip tyres. The end result is a stunning first step, that’s for sure. This car is a blast to drive and will without doubt inject some much-needed adrenalin to a lacklustre line-up.

Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi...#ixzz1f3iKhe00

That sounds pretty good to me.

Kostamojen 11-29-2011 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torquemada (Post 81824)
which car would you choose?

Not an Alfa.

Levi 11-29-2011 08:51 AM

For me there is only one reviewer I want to hear: Chris Harris. He really know about cars. He praised the the Cayman, the 911 GT3, the 458 Italia, the LF-A, the M3, the 1 Series M and if the GT86/BRZ is a good car, he'll also praise this one. He is very objective and is not biased to any brand. If something is not very good, he'll say it.

madfast 11-29-2011 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi (Post 82260)
For me there is only one reviewer I want to hear: Chris Harris. He really know about cars. He praised the the Cayman, the 911 GT3, the 458 Italia, the LF-A, the M3, the 1 Series M and if the GT86/BRZ is a good car, he'll also praise this one. He is very objective and is not biased to any brand. If something is not very good, he'll say it.

dude is a porsche fan. people say he is biased because of that. i personally enjoy his reviews because he is knowledgeable...

Aki 11-29-2011 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahausheer (Post 81081)
Forgive me but:

This car was designed to be one of the best handling road cars going right now. Why have none of the reviews come out and said it is among the best? They say it's great, or, a knockout, but no one says, it handles like the Cayman or it's better than a Miata or Rx-8 or S2000 etc etc. Perhaps the test drives were to short but a few laps should be all a professional car journalist needs. Best handling car in its class?, most likely, one of the best handling (non-exotic) cars on the road, not so sure.

Because these are preproduction cars.

These premiere events are "first drive" type of articles. It looks bad for a journo/publication to slam or give a definitive verdict on a car when it's not driven in production trim.

I love how the Porsche Cayman (esp Cayman R) feels/drives, so this is a really encouraging sign.

pastuch 11-29-2011 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buggy51 (Post 81088)
If it handles like a Cayman... well... ... what beats a Cayman? o_O;

Hell I think you can buy at least 2.5 FRS/BRZ/GT86's for a Cayman...

Yes and no... A used Cayman with less than 40000 miles is only $35k in Canada and cheaper in the US.

Ryephile 11-29-2011 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahausheer (Post 81081)
This car was designed to be one of the best handling road cars going right now.

Where did you read that? It's not in any of the press releases! Both Toyota and Subaru are claiming it's an exciting and interactive sports car, but they've never claimed "best handling" anything anywhere.

Your comment about "B.S. Prius tire" only shows how dramatically you've misinterpreted the whole point of the car; to be an involving car at low limits....like the Miata. If the car feels like a Cayman, it'll be due to the interaction between chassis, steering, and driver, not from lap times or typical statistics.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi (Post 82260)
Chris Harris: He really nutswings Porsche.

Fixed it for you. Chris Harris is the most biased, most emotional [in a bad way] addition to Evo in recent memory.


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