OFFICIAL Torque Android app PID/Misc Thread
 

For the BEST tablet mount for the Nexus 7, visit this post!: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=436

List of confirmed working PID(s) can be found in the second post.
Frequently Asked Questions can be found in the third post.
Custom made themes can be found in the third post.

As many of you know, and I'm sure many of you don't know, there is an App called Torque/Torque Pro on the Android market for Android based devices.

To sum it up, the app allows the user to have access to hundreds of readings from the cars factory sensors, and can allow for data logging and other cool features, you will find the description pulled directly from the app below.

What are the benefits of this app?

Allow for data logging to help with trouble shooting
An alternative to expensive gauges which take time to set up.
Good for anyone that wants a basic idea of what's going on with their cars.

i.e. I plan on mounting a Nexus 7 in my car, for the only purpose of a "Gauge Pod" and maybe the use of navigation. This is actually very similar to the Nissan GT-R's setup. (You can monitor specific readings through the head unit and have the ability to customize it your preference.)

There are various reasons as to why I'm starting this thread;

- The main focus of this thread is to have area where we can discuss the manufacturer specific PID's for OBDII, I'm not entirely sure if FRS/BRZ PID's are the same. The app comes standard with a bunch of features, but to get the good stuff we need access to the PID's which tend to be very hard to get. I'm hoping with the help of the large community we can gain access to PID's like the Engine Oil Temperature (EOT), to be able to have a live reading of our cars EOT. I plan on maintaining a list of PID's that are confirmed to work with our vehicles.
UPDATE: Oil Temp PID has been determined.

- We can also use this thread as a universal thread for anyone having troubles with app, OBDII BT transmitter and other problems.

-Discuss current setups such as your layout on torque, mounts, devices, transmitters.

There's many benefits of this thread, and hopefully with the help of the community we can get access to an advanced list of PID's for our cars.

Here is the app description;

Let's please keep this thread flame free and ON TOPIC. :thanks:

Oil Temperature PID credit to andreyiv:

PID setup for VERY accurate fuel remaining credit to developer:

Frequently Asked Questions:
(Please note: Some of the answers provided are borrowed from other users, not just me.)
Q. How do I add extra PID's?
A. Open the Torque app and then hit the menu button. Select "Manage extra PIDs/Sensors" (should be second from the bottom).

Hit the menu key again and select "Add custom PID". Enter the PID information provided (And a full and short name of your choice).

Hit ok. The parameter will now be available for logging and real time display.

Q. How accurate are the readings, are they trustworthy?
A. Generally speaking any sensor related information should be accurate considering it is coming directly from your ECU. There is a slight lag/delay in receiving the information but nothing major, unless your racing competitively you may want actual gauges. I've tested the Boost and AFR gauges for accuracy in my brothers EVO X in comparison with his in car gauges, the readings I was getting on my tablet matched perfectly his in car gauges. When it comes to WHP that is a calculation based on the car specific information you input into the app, for an accurate reading, you'd to input exact weight, max RPM ect. The same applies to any other non sensor calculations.

Q. Will we be able to monitor Boost levels even if our car isn't a factory forced induction system?
A. Yes it shouldn't be an issue, our MAP sensor is what calculates these values. We are able to monitor our Vacuum produced and Boost is the same value as Vacuum except Vacuum is a negative value and Boost is a positive value therefore it should display real time boost information with any setup.

Q. The PID I've entered is in Celcius can I switch it to Fahrenheit?
A. Yes. To change the read out to Fahrenheit, go to Settings -> Units on the main screen for Torque and uncheck the checkmark that says something along the lines of Display In Celsius. All temperature readouts should change to Fahrenheit correctly.

Q. I don't have an option for OBD header in the custom PID, do I need this?
A. For certain PID's such as Engine Oil Temperature you need to input OBD header information, you'll need to purchase the Torque Pro App in order to be able to enter the OBD header information.

Custom made themes:

Getting a Nexus 7 this week, got a Proclip to use with it. Might be trading proclip mount for the beatrush one when it comes out. I think it's an awesome alternative to actual gauges.

There is no glare from the display, it's just the camera with sun right in front of it. Got the charger looped around behind and into glovebox charger. It's slightly in the way of headunit, but all corner touch controls are still operable.
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This mount clips where center console joins with dash, and clips in vent. It's a little close to headunit, so I might 'upgrade' to Beatrush's mount that goes in the slit to the right a little.

I'm waiting for my Nexus 7 to come in the mail, also in regards to pro clip, im curious how much their mount for the nexus 7 mounted on the pro clip would intervene with the HU? Their mount looks nice and sturdy. (Good for abrupt turns/movements ;D)

Edit: I'm also looking into if the app's boost gauge will support aftermarket turbos, because it supports factory turbo setups. Simply because I plan on going down the FI route. I did get some feedback on the Torque forums from a user but idk how reliable his info is.. If anyone can confirm this it would be appreciated. :happy0180:

BUMP :)

What OBDII readers are you guys Using?

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

I have the ELM327 "MINI" from ebay, paid 12$ shipped, used it on my friends android device as im still waiting for my Nexus 7 to arrive, and it seemed to work perfect :D

Super Mini ELM327 OBD-II Interface Bluetooth V1.5 Auto Diagnostic Scanner For Windows PC
Arkon TAB-FSM Tablet Seat Bolt Mount
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Nice setup! Currently AVO is looking into seeing if they can acquire the vehicle PID's via the tunner edition of EcuTek for us ! ;D

hows that seat bolt mount working out? pretty sturdy or does it move around when cornering? I've been looking for some car mounts for my Nexus 7 and this one topped my list.

Ok when cornering, but I was thinking of augmenting it for our third world country roads where I live.

BTW, I've been told PIDs are locked on ECUTek tunes. So unless it's a standardized parameter (ex. Coolant Temp), then you won't be able to access the signal.

:(

Even with the tuner edition of EcuTek? If so this is unfortunate :(, if this is the case I believe Techstream is the only way.. :sigh:

I think there's some confusion going on here.

You're getting different types of information mixed up. For our purposes, I'll break them up into 4 categories.

1) Universal OBD II diagnostic PIDs. This is set by the standard j1979 , with the latest relevant revision (digital annex section) being released in October 2011. That's what these universal tools read. They're standardized PIDs (PID = Parameter ID). The basic stuff is going to be readable on every OBD II vehicle, like coolant temperature. The more recently added (and application specific) stuff like PID 71, Commanded Variable Geometry Turbo A Position, is basically up to the manufacturer.

2) Manufacturer-specific diagnostic PIDs. This is information that a dealership technician can read using service communication protocols. It's like Techstream and such. I am not sure a universal tool can be easily configured to read these. This same protocol can be used for active testing of various actuators and modules on the vehicle, like the low pressure fuel pump.

3) Proprietary CAN messages. This definitely has to be reverse-engineered. Basically, a ton of information passes along the CAN network. You can listen to it all you want if you have the right tools. Probably the most common commercial tool is Vector CANalyzer, which is expensive software requiring expensive interface hardware. Even if you have this hardware, all you will see is a bunch of hexadecimal nonsense.

You need to have the CAN database file to get descriptions and actual units. for the messages being passed around. The CAN database is under lock-and-key. This information is accessed on a need-to-know basis. Only certain development engineers and technicians will have it. A supplier might get an abridged version that applies only to their specific projects.

That being said, if you know what you're looking at you can start to figure out what the messages mean. For example, you could guess what the headlight switch status message is by flipping the headlights on and recording the messages that go across the bus. Obviously this is a tedious process, and getting more complex stuff like steering angle, yaw rate, transmission temperature, etc is not going to be easy.

4) ECU RAM addresses. This is physically reading calculated values inside the ECU. Something like ECUtek is going to be able to do this, because somebody reverse-engineered how to get access. Then they reverse-engineered the RAM addresses for specific signals and hopefully figured out what they mean.

Realistically, you are probably only going to get #1 from this list using a cheap Android app. The PID list is in j1979 and is thus not confidential information. Then you have to figure out what the vehicle is reporting and see how fast it is reporting the information. Typically OBD requests are low priority on the CAN network, so you might not get a great sample rate.

Thanks for the input, although the app might be cheap, it is quite advanced, have you seen the app or used it all? It is to my current existing knowledge that if we had access to the "Manufacturer-specific diagnostic PIDs" we would be able to input them in the app via the Advanced OBD Management section under customer predefined sensors and have access to thing like Engine Oil Temp.

I'm not an expert on manufacturer-specific diagnostic protocols for service/technician use. The first response that comes to mind though is, "Don't confuse manufacturer-specific diagnostic trouble codes with manufacturer-specific PIDs for manufacturer-specific diagnostic tools."

I can read a manufacturer-specific DTC all day with a $20 Autozone scantool. They are, for example, P1xxx . P0xxx are universal. But taking realtime data in the same way that a dealership Toyota tool does may not be so straightforward. I'm certainly open to anyone else who can chime in with real-world experience on this.

Got the OBD-Bluetooth interface and Torque Pro...everything is fine. I see revs, boost and all the other data on display BUT when I check the trackLog-****.csv file exported I don't see anything aside from the GPS data: GPS Time, Device Time, Longitude, Latitude,GPS Speed (Meters/second), Horizontal Dilution of Precision, Altitude, Bearing, G(x), G(y), G(z), G(calibrated),
What am I doing wrong?

I need the datalogging not only for analysys but also to import them through excel into RaceChrono2Avi and put them in videos.

Nobody?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you go into your settings, and then I think theres a datalogging section, cant you specify what sensors you want to log and what not?

Correct if u go into settings you can select the exact pids you want to log

I have my nexus 7 mounted right on the dash with the Kroppson, its awesome! Pics in the build album on my profile, if the one below doesn't work

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/pictu...pictureid=2931

Is that a redundant flip switch starter? Love the mount you have in your car, but I love my AC for days when the air quality is literally "huffing an active volcanic vent". Can you mount that Kroppson anywhere else?

lol that switch is for the KC daylighters behind the front grill. The kroppson has the sticky suction cup, and can be mounted anywhere on the dash. You can also raise it up above the vents, I have mine so air will still mostly flow past it. I also don't always have the nexus mounted, most of the time I have it down.

Holy rusted metal Batman! Daylighters! Turning the car into a rally car huh? =)

Thanks for the info!:happy0180:

Very nice! How much was the mount and does it hold it well? Can you accelerate and makes abrupt movements without it falling?

Haha absolutely! I actually have a friend who is whipping up a small bull bar for the lights on the front, so I'll have room for an intercooler. We will see how it looks, I am 50/50 on it until I see it!

I haven't been too crazy with the nexus in yet, but the mount has stayed on the dash through some hellish test driving after I got my sways and springs put in >:]. I'm 99% positive it will hold up with the nexus as well.

I think it was around $50 on ebay, very high quality though, I was expecting somewhat of a junky product, but am very impressed.

I bought a suction cup mount, (just a cheap 15$ off ebay) still waiting for it come in, but I'm definitely trying to find something that if I go into a drift or do some agressive driving my nexus 7 wont fly out aha lol, I do like the idea of where it mounts because it doesn't obstruct your view too much, aslong as air from the a/c still makes it way passed it, I think I might be sold depending how my ebay one is ;D

It hasn't slid around or moved at all when I hit some hard corners, but I haven't done a track day with it yet. My only problem is it rattles slightly when the nexus isn't in it, but its so faint I can only hear it when the music isn't on. Let me know how your suction cup works though! My other build I help with is still needing something, and he is open to suggestions! :)

I'll let you know for sure, it'd be nice if there a vendor that can craft up some sort of mount for the nexus 7 in the fr-s in great location and that has a nice look to it. I thought about making my own, but I've never fiberglassed before so idk aha, and the only reason I'd use it is gps/gauges, no plans on making it play audio of any sort or anything, just for gauges and gps lol

Posted pic up in page 1 post of ProClip + Nexus 7.

I like where this mount sits, but doesn't it block your windshield view somewhat?

Can't be any worse then a GPS lol, it doesn't sit too high, plus it's somewhat adjustable (height wise) I've done my research :D

Track's around here like Lime Rock Park do not allow items that are not permanently attached to the vehicle to be in the cabin while you are racing. They don't even allow Go-Pro camera's on the outside of the car without a steel safety cable attaching it to the car. A tablet on a mount would be a big no-no around here.

When the time comes I will be getting an Android head unit from CA-Fi and running Torque on it. My buddy @2forme has done this already and it is by far the cleanest and easiest way to do something like this. It is also Track safe at all tracks as it is permanently mounted to the vehicle and cannot come lose in a crash or during cornering/braking.

I looked into the android HU's but until they come out with one with a lot better hardware and the capability of running JellyBean, I'm not sure if they interest me all that much. JellyBean is one of androids most stable OS's so I'd like it. The android units also seem to have a fair amount of drawbacks, i.e. lag, bugs, glitches.

On a side note, how well does the torque app run on the supported OS? Is it possible to have music in the background while in the torque app?

The CA-Fi unit has a Capacitive touch screen, and is capable of running JellyBean, there should be a 4.1 upgrade coming out for it soonish. I've used @2forme's unit and there is no lag. It's just like using my Cellphone.

Will it run 4.1 as smoothly? You've definitely gained my interest, also is when you say it's capable of running 4.1, is it actually upgradeable to that or do you have to by pass stuff? thanks

Wait, wait, wait....i know this is a Dumb Q, but can you actually have the Nexus 7 connected to BOTH the bluetooth sensor (Torque app) AND have the HU (via Bluetooth) simultaneously playing MP3s? I currently am using a Flash Drive (32g) for my tunes and i was actually planning on getting either the Prime (like spartan65) or the 7, with a different mount and use it to store Music/ Games (when bored in traffic)/ Some Navigation/ and Mainly to use Torque app.



I was thinking the same thing lol

My question was targeted towards using Blutooth with the stock head unit + using the OBD sensor (also connected via bluetooth) and work simultaneously.

I don't think you can have the Nexus 7 paired with 2 seperate devices, (I'm still waiting to receive mine in the mail, should be here monday! :D) although it may be possible.

With the Ca-Fi unit, you can only use the WIFI obd sensor, therefore you would be able to have a connected device via bluetooth. But with the head unit you're probably better off just using an SD card or whatever.

Ok Cool. Thanks. Keep us posted on your progress with the Nexus 7.