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Guff 11-17-2011 10:37 PM

Does anybody direct/cut film?
 
I was wondering if anybody here did any film?

A group of my friends and I have been doing some amateur filmmaking for the last few years and it's a lot of fun!

With the conception of the usable-for-video DSLRs (5DMII, T2i) it has been very easy for people to get into filming and editing. My friend and I picked up 2 T2is a few years ago and went from there! We've entered into a few contests just for fun and we have won all of them!

I haven't made any car films but a Super-Secret Top Gear America project has been in the works in my little group for about a year now, and we might finish it up this Summer! Who knows, maybe we'll get famous! :burnrubber:

Tell me what you guys think of some of my stuff and if you guys cut anything, post it!


Here's a short film we made for fun:
http://vimeo.com/15923401

and here's one that we entered into Skills USA 2011:
http://vimeo.com/31414601

Giccin 11-17-2011 10:48 PM

Those are some really good videos.

If you wanted me to critique them.. then here's a few..
Completely mute what your guys are saying and leave it up to the viewers to use their imagination. And make the fighting scene more intense.

And I'm not sure if you noticed but there was a strange glare/reflection that followed the guy. Not sure if it was the UV lens or not. Lol.

And.. try a slider. You can make one yourself. Pretty neat especially for the camera man who's is pretty damn good at focusing where he wants.

Edit: I forgot you can try to make a stabilizer too. Works wonders when in motion. Too much camera shake isn't a good thing.

Great work though. :>

Guff 11-17-2011 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 77068)
Those are some really good videos.

If you wanted me to critique them.. then here's a few..
Completely mute what your guys are saying and leave it up to the viewers to use their imagination. And make the fighting scene more intense.

And I'm not sure if you noticed but there was a strange glare/reflection that followed the guy. Not sure if it was the UV lens or not. Lol.

And.. try a slider. You can make one yourself. Pretty neat especially for the camera man who's is pretty damn good at focusing where he wants.

Edit: I forgot you can try to make a stabilizer too. Works wonders when in motion. Too much camera shake isn't a good thing.

Great work though. :>

Is this for the first or second video?

If the first, then yeah, it had a lot of imperfections, because we just made it without any preparation and very little equipment. And thank you for the kind words!

On the second one, we used a slide in many of the shots actually. Almost all of the indoor shots were on a slide (and let me tell you, you have to do like 50 takes per shot to get it right). And this one was a few days of shooting with plenty of equipment.

Thanks again! It's nice to see other people interested in film on the forum.


PS.

I suddenly had the idea to do a Top Gear/Clarkson review of the FR-S/BRZ if and when I get one. Sounds awesome!:thumbup:

WingsofWar 11-18-2011 01:11 AM

im a film editor, and I mainly do wedding videos and misc. So film making and directing isn't something I'm too familiar with. However i do have some tips;

For the camera men,
- Watch your 'Rule of Thirds'
- Use don't be afraid to run with your mono-pods during chase scenes for stabilization.
- Watch your exposure settings (if you have any) in dark/shaded areas. If you don't have a settings bring a portable white mat to bring light into dark areas.

For Editors
- Watch your filters
- Watch your contrast and gamma.
- Since your not working professionally, you have freedom to reject bad scenes. Don't try to work with bad scenes.

For Directors
- Don't be afraid to take multiple shots of the same scene to get the most out of shooting. So your editors don't bitch at bad scenes to work with.
- Please review your shots before moving on to another scene.
- Make your script simple to follow, and make lots of notes for everyone to read for on-the-fly changes.

Guff 11-18-2011 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 77094)
im a film editor, and I mainly do wedding videos and misc. So film making and directing isn't something I'm too familiar with. However i do have some tips;

For the camera men,
- Watch your 'Rule of Thirds'
- Use don't be afraid to run with your mono-pods during chase scenes for stabilization.
- Watch your exposure settings (if you have any) in dark/shaded areas. If you don't have a settings bring a portable white mat to bring light into dark areas.

For Editors
- Watch your filters
- Watch your contrast and gamma.
- Since your not working professionally, you have freedom to reject bad scenes. Don't try to work with bad scenes.

For Directors
- Don't be afraid to take multiple shots of the same scene to get the most out of shooting. So your editors don't bitch at bad scenes to work with.
- Please review your shots before moving on to another scene.
- Make your script simple to follow, and make lots of notes for everyone to read for on-the-fly changes.

Thanks man! All these are definitely important rules!

cassidy0998 11-18-2011 02:11 AM

Very cool videos man. I enjoyed them very much.

Just curious, what software do you guys use to cut/edit video? I have used windows movie maker for some basic little short videos I had to make for projects. But I'm thinking about switching to sony vegas for some larger projects that I'm going to be working on in the near future - any suggestions?

WingsofWar 11-18-2011 02:26 AM

vegas is good if your starting out on a professional tool and you can make good with its features. I use Adobe Premier Pro and its a bit more involved /complicated if your new to it.

Guff 11-18-2011 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cassidy0998 (Post 77100)
Very cool videos man. I enjoyed them very much.

Just curious, what software do you guys use to cut/edit video? I have used windows movie maker for some basic little short videos I had to make for projects. But I'm thinking about switching to sony vegas for some larger projects that I'm going to be working on in the near future - any suggestions?

We actually work solely on Macs with the Final Cut Pro Suite, so I couldn't give you a recommendation for any windows software. Perhaps another forum member uses Vegas and could tell you, but if not then I suppose the Internet will be the best way to find the best software. Although, if you have access to a Mac and are serious about film, you could get Final Cut Express, which is a MUCH cheaper version compared to the suite, but still offers a ton of great functionality!

R_E_L 11-18-2011 02:33 AM

i like editing as well and would get into film projects if i had a nice DSLR capable of it (hopefully soon).

in regards to your work definitely nice, i really like the lighting in a lot of the shots in the second film, the shot from inside the house facing the door was my fav. good job and good luck with the rest of your projects.

Giccin 11-18-2011 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guff (Post 77072)
Is this for the first or second video?

If the first, then yeah, it had a lot of imperfections, because we just made it without any preparation and very little equipment. And thank you for the kind words!

On the second one, we used a slide in many of the shots actually. Almost all of the indoor shots were on a slide (and let me tell you, you have to do like 50 takes per shot to get it right). And this one was a few days of shooting with plenty of equipment.

Thanks again! It's nice to see other people interested in film on the forum.


PS.

I suddenly had the idea to do a Top Gear/Clarkson review of the FR-S/BRZ if and when I get one. Sounds awesome!:thumbup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 77094)
im a film editor, and I mainly do wedding videos and misc. So film making and directing isn't something I'm too familiar with. However i do have some tips;

For the camera men,
- Watch your 'Rule of Thirds'
- Use don't be afraid to run with your mono-pods during chase scenes for stabilization.
- Watch your exposure settings (if you have any) in dark/shaded areas. If you don't have a settings bring a portable white mat to bring light into dark areas.

For Editors
- Watch your filters
- Watch your contrast and gamma.
- Since your not working professionally, you have freedom to reject bad scenes. Don't try to work with bad scenes.

For Directors
- Don't be afraid to take multiple shots of the same scene to get the most out of shooting. So your editors don't bitch at bad scenes to work with.
- Please review your shots before moving on to another scene.
- Make your script simple to follow, and make lots of notes for everyone to read for on-the-fly changes.

Deffo agree on exposure. Use back light and of course rule of thirds.

Don't be afraid to use a diffuser too! Not a film editor.. but a photographer who has used her camera for film a bit. ;p

MF_DEUCE 11-18-2011 03:16 AM

Would you guys recommend a T2i to a person starting off in photography/film?

Giccin 11-18-2011 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MF_DEUCE (Post 77119)
Would you guys recommend a T2i to a person starting off in photography/film?

T1i - Beginner camera
(I use it still because I can't afford a 60d or 70D atm. But I'm purchasing the proper glass.)

T2i - for the Intermediate Beginner

T3i - for the Advance Beginner.
You'll get the kit glass here. Which doesn't make it any different than the T1i. Only the pop out screen is useful. This camera is especially useful for those who want to do film.

High megapixels don't mean much if you don't know how to use your camera properly. I've done some amazing shots in my T1i. Enough to compete with a 7D.

So to answer your question I would go with the T2i. But T3i if you really want to extend your learning experience in the long run with photography and explore film.

MF_DEUCE 11-18-2011 03:48 AM

So those cameras do film as well correct? lol just reassuring, ive been glancing at reviews on these but wanted to get ppls insight as well.

Giccin 11-18-2011 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MF_DEUCE (Post 77128)
So those cameras do film as well correct? lol just reassuring, ive been glancing at reviews on these but wanted to get ppls insight as well.


Yup. All the Txi Rebel versions do Video. All HD too. :> 1080p.

R_E_L 11-18-2011 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MF_DEUCE (Post 77119)
Would you guys recommend a T2i to a person starting off in photography/film?

in terms of quality canon is certainly the best, however that comes at a premium in regards to the cost of lenses. I personally am going the nikon route after spending time with my cousins gear.

he bought a refurbed d40x a few years back and started buying used glass. all old prime lenses (no zoom feature), while this presented some disadvantages including no auto focus (entry level cameras don't typically have an internal motor to work with older lenses) he was forced to learn on a truly manual set up and as a result he is a much better photographer. the biggest advantage of course was that he was able to buy fast lenses at dirt cheap prices

due to canon changing interface systems over time, you really don't have access to those older lenses like you do with nikons. This is the reasoning behind my choice don't know if it's the route you would want to take but i think it's worth considering as you will be learning early on.

Giccin 11-18-2011 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R_E_L (Post 77233)
in terms of quality canon is certainly the best, however that comes at a premium in regards to the cost of lenses. I personally am going the nikon route after spending time with my cousins gear.

he bought a refurbed d40x a few years back and started buying used glass. all old prime lenses (no zoom feature), while this presented some disadvantages including no auto focus (entry level cameras don't typically have an internal motor to work with older lenses) he was forced to learn on a truly manual set up and as a result he is a much better photographer. the biggest advantage of course was that he was able to buy fast lenses at dirt cheap prices

due to canon changing interface systems over time, you really don't have access to those older lenses like you do with nikons. This is the reasoning behind my choice don't know if it's the route you would want to take but i think it's worth considering as you will be learning early on.

You can actually access older lens with the newer models. There's always an extender. I believe Canon can even use Nikon lens just by adding a extender. I'm somewhat sure its vice versa as well.

Nikon vs. Canon is a long time war. It all depends on what you plan to shoot.

Guff 11-18-2011 02:03 PM

I got my T2i for $700 with the 18-55mm Kit lens, and then I got a 50mm f/1.8 for $50 from a friend and that is really all I need!

MF_DEUCE 11-18-2011 02:12 PM

Thanks everybody.
Sorry Guff didnt mean to :threadjacked:

Guff 11-19-2011 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MF_DEUCE (Post 77257)
Thanks everybody.
Sorry Guff didnt mean to :threadjacked:

It's all good!

MF_DEUCE 11-21-2011 10:11 PM

Videos cut/shot like these, always give me an inspiration to film stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kn-J...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXjqg...feature=relmfu

WingsofWar 11-21-2011 10:50 PM

http://vimeo.com/1975245

http://vimeo.com/12759801

Guff 11-22-2011 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MF_DEUCE (Post 78286)
Videos cut/shot like these, always give me an inspiration to film stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kn-J...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXjqg...feature=relmfu

The fact that I just finished Assassin's Creed Revelations makes this video that much more awesome!!

Guff 11-22-2011 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 78299)

Roger Clark is an absolute loon and one hell of a driver! :respekt:


and that second video had some great cinematography!! Great slide shots as well!

MF_DEUCE 11-22-2011 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guff (Post 78358)
The fact that I just finished Assassin's Creed Revelations makes this video that much more awesome!!

My sister just finished it as well. She and I were both disappointed to be honest. :/

Guff 11-22-2011 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MF_DEUCE (Post 78369)
My sister just finished it as well. She and I were both disappointed to be honest. :/

Disappointed?!?!?!?! :cry:

With how short it was or how it ended?

I thought the ending was right where it needs to be for ACIII. Next game is all Desmond, no Animus.

And gameplay wasn't really changed from Brotherhood, but it was refined, and it was still really damn good! No need to fix what ain't broke!

cyde01 11-22-2011 01:11 AM

i'm an editor for a tv studio and sometimes also camera op. i use final cut 7, after effects cs5.5 and panny hpx300

adlerj30 12-02-2011 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 77094)
im a film editor, and I mainly do wedding videos and misc. So film making and directing isn't something I'm too familiar with. However i do have some tips;

For the camera men,
- Watch your 'Rule of Thirds'
- Use don't be afraid to run with your mono-pods during chase scenes for stabilization.
- Watch your exposure settings (if you have any) in dark/shaded areas. If you don't have a settings bring a portable white mat to bring light into dark areas.

For Editors
- Watch your filters
- Watch your contrast and gamma.
- Since your not working professionally, you have freedom to reject bad scenes. Don't try to work with bad scenes.

For Directors
- Don't be afraid to take multiple shots of the same scene to get the most out of shooting. So your editors don't bitch at bad scenes to work with.
- Please review your shots before moving on to another scene.
- Make your script simple to follow, and make lots of notes for everyone to read for on-the-fly changes.


Which car model is this in your signature? Its amazing.

Guff 02-08-2012 02:12 AM

I'm reviving this thread!!!!

I made a new film, it's for a competition by Toyota about teen driving.

http://vimeo.com/36221315


We can't use this song, but we are going to compose something that is similar to this. We also need to do the sound editing and redo a few shots.


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