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Hachiroku 10-13-2009 10:59 AM
NEW Subaru 086A BRZ STi impression and info
 
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From Holiday Auto via 7tune: http://www.7tune.com/subaru-086a-sti/

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The regular Subaru 086A is expected to use Subaru's EJ20 flat 4 boxer engine with D4-S direct/port injection, Aisin 6 speed tranny, and Lexus IS rear differential. Projected power has been anywhere from 160ps to 200ps.

Holiday Auto (via 7tune) now reports that the Subaru 086A STi Version will use the EJ25 2.5L engine which produces 240-250ps. An EJ25 turbo version is also in consideration. Any Subaru 086A STi model will receive wider fenders all around to accomodate beefier tires/wheels.

No timing has been confirmed yet, but the 2011 Tokyo Motor Show or 2012 Tokyo Auto Salon may be good guesses.

MR2fan 10-13-2009 11:15 AM
Damn that's a nice looking photochop. Love the extra body work and of course the EJ25 engine news :) I assume toyota would also have an EJ25 version (maybe TRD version)?

Jordo! 10-13-2009 01:46 PM
Toyota better not let Subie bring out the only good version of this car :mad:

Of course... if that does happen, everyone who buys the Toyota variant will be doing a motor swap within a year... :rolleyes:

86Fan 10-13-2009 01:52 PM
I hope the toyo version will have a LSD. But doesn't the IS have an open diff?

BALLIN'_707 10-13-2009 02:24 PM
I don't think there will be one with Toyota emblems and then one with Subaru emblems..

mettler 10-13-2009 03:09 PM
its really going to come down to the length for me..I need a snowboard to fit..:)

86Fan 10-13-2009 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mettler (Post 208)
its really going to come down to the length for me..I need a snowboard to fit..:)

You could always mount it on the roof :cool:

White Comet 10-13-2009 07:23 PM
I was already excited about a small, lightweight successor to the hatchiroku. This makes me even more excited. This is will be the most excited I've been about an upcoming car for as long as I can remember!

White Comet 10-13-2009 10:11 PM
No mention of drivetrain with that STI story, eh? I wonder if this means it will still be RWD or AWD? I actually hope it remains RWD, if only because I want this car to remain true to its AE86 heritage, and not be bogged down by further weight...

MR2fan 10-13-2009 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by White Comet (Post 251)
No mention of drivetrain with that STI story, eh? I wonder if this means it will still be RWD or AWD? I actually hope it remains RWD, if only because I want this car to remain true to its AE86 heritage, and not be bogged down by further weight...
I really think the Toyota will be RWD and Subaru STi will be AWD. Not only is that Subaru's claim to fame but they probably also want to differentiate the two cars besides just the exterior.

Good point about the extra weight for AWD. How much more would it weigh?

White Comet 10-13-2009 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MR2fan (Post 257)
I really think the Toyota will be RWD and Subaru STi will be AWD. Not only is that Subaru's claim to fame but they probably also want to differentiate the two cars besides just the exterior.

Good point about the extra weight for AWD. How much more would it weigh?
I can't say for certain but it would certainly add at least another 100 lbs. Tough to compare since all of Subie's models currently employ symmetrical AWD anyway.

100 lbs isn't that big a deal (especially with an extra 50 hp under the hood), but it's not too hard to go from a "lightweight" corner carver to a more bloated vehicle. Then again, STIs weight between over 3200 lbs and no one seems to complain about those things, so even if this car weighs in at 3000 lbs, if it has 250 hp, (poss even more with boost) then it'll still be killer.

GT 10-13-2009 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Axel (Post 243)
updated story from 7tune.com:

While the regular Subaru 086A is expected to be exactly the same as the Toyota version albeit with subtle exterior/interior styling differences, it’s the high performance STi version that’s getting the most attention now that the FT-86 Concept has broken cover ahead of this month’s Tokyo Motor Show. The standard 086A of course utilizes Subaru’s EJ20 flat-four boxer engine with D4-S direct injection, an Aisin 6-speed gearbox and a rear differential as used on the Lexus IS250/350. The rumored output of 200PS has been quoted once again as to be “almost certain” but a conflicting rumor from another source sets the output as being low as 160PS. Nevertheless, the STi Version should answer people’s prayers for more power.

Holiday Auto (HA) reports that the STi Version will use the EJ25 2.5L engine that’s expected to produce between 240 – 250PS which is enough, HA say, to turn the 086A into a true performance car. An EJ25 turbo also hasn’t been ruled out, it seems that the Toyota/Subaru partnership have gone to great lengths to listen to what customers want and if the voices are loud enough, may come through with a boosted 086A Sti. In keeping with the Impreza WRX STi, the 086A STi Version will apparently get wider front and rear guards to accommodate a wider track with wider wheels and tires. The know-how gathered from tuning the suspension for the WRX STi will be used to improve the 086A’s handling characteristics, although HA stop short of saying the parts will be directly carried over. We should also expect some additional STi only aero parts such as a unique front bumper and rear trunk spoiler to give the STi Version a more motorsports inspired look.

Although it’s not confirmed yet, there’s a strong possibility the Subaru 086A STi Version will be shown at the 2011 Tokyo Motor Show or not long after at the 2012 Tokyo Auto Salon and will hit showrooms shortly thereafter.
If Subaru does come out with an STi model, I wonder what the base price will be? Hopefully the Sti model is not priced similar to the Impreza STi.

Jordo! 10-14-2009 12:09 AM
There is really no purpose to an AWD car unless you are rallying... FR works just fine for road or track.

86Fan 10-14-2009 12:34 AM
If suby is coming out with an sti version with awd it's going to cost around 40k. The current sti is already at 35 and also coupes are generally pricer than their four door counterparts.

White Comet 10-14-2009 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 294)
There is really no purpose to an AWD car unless you are rallying... FR works just fine for road or track.
We don't all live in Florida. :cool:

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Originally Posted by 86Fan (Post 296)
If suby is coming out with an sti version with awd it's going to cost around 40k. The current sti is already at 35 and also coupes are generally pricer than their four door counterparts.
Except that this STI would not be turbocharged, and potentially may not be AWD.

Furthermore, there's no way a car Toyota wants to bring to market at 20-21,000 get marked up double. Not a chance. Considering the current WRX has 265 hp and can be had for around 25k, I can't see this car costing much more than that.

86Fan 10-14-2009 11:40 AM
I think high performance models (STI) will get turbocharging and they always have been or else it's going to be pretty weak in performance. AWD just keeps the tradition for Subaru. Suby might just offer the 2.5L NA with AWD to differentiate from Toyota for the base version.

Tanuki 10-19-2009 11:30 AM
It would be very easy for them to make the subaru version awd. Subaru has yet to release a vehicle that does not turn all four. Also it is much easier to turn a rwd platform to awd than it is to change a ff to awd. Either way I think it is a definite possibility. The videos and released info are not enough to know thus far.

Sp0r3 10-19-2009 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Tanuki (Post 784)
It would be very easy for them to make the subaru version awd. Subaru has yet to release a vehicle that does not turn all four. Also it is much easier to turn a rwd platform to awd than it is to change a ff to awd. Either way I think it is a definite possibility. The videos and released info are not enough to know thus far.
But given the design of their AWD system and engine layout, you cannot just slap on an AWD and make it happen. If Subaru indeed tries to use their symmetrical AWD system onto this car, the front overhang will be dramatically increased and the weight distribution will be greatly affected. Take a look at the Impreza then look at the FT86 Concept. You can see the amount of overhang for the Impreza. Unless they design a completely new AWD system, I don't see that happening.

Subaru has indeed been selling non-AWD system cars around the world, just not in the North America. R1 and R2 have been sold in Japan for years. Front wheel drive version Impreza has emerged into the European market recently.

cr22 10-25-2009 01:53 AM
I doubt the AWD will come into play after reading an article today where the chief engineer stated it will be "the best car for drifting". He goes on to talk about how they discovered 50:50 is not the way to go for drifting blah blah blah.

The point being that they [Toyota] are being way too conscious about weight, distribution of weight & resurrecting the AE86 fundamentals to factor in an AWD system. The entire purpose of involving Subaru is to use the low center of gravity in the boxer (for handling potential) and not the drive train of a current model.

iff2mastamatt 07-25-2011 04:15 PM
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1255445426

The blinker lights look very similar to the one testing. I wonder if this rendering was the way the Subaru version was intended to look like.

RRnold 07-25-2011 04:25 PM
I thought this was a new post until I saw date on 7tune! It does look very similar to the mule and they even called the EJ20. mmm... :popcorn:

iff2mastamatt 07-25-2011 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 51963)
I thought this was a new post until I saw date on 7tune! It does look very similar to the mule and they even called the EJ20. mmm... :popcorn:
I dug up an old bone- thought it was interesting.

SVTSHC 07-26-2011 02:52 PM
If this is the real deal and it's slotted to have a 250bhp 2.5L EJ25 then I'll definitely be getting the Subaru variant, even though I could get the scion at employee discount I would much rather the STI version.

Giccin 07-26-2011 09:02 PM
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

tranzformer 07-26-2011 09:10 PM
I don't know what to believe any more after reading Moto's info. 250 NA would be perfect. Not that I won't be happy with the 197/200hp. But 250 would like a cherry on top.

Sleepy-kun 07-26-2011 09:33 PM
I would be thrilled with 250. 200 is nice, that can (and will) be fixed to a higher, non-NA state.

Dimman 07-27-2011 01:37 AM
Just remember that the article is about as old as this site, so...



(it may not hold accurate information... shhh...)

70NYD 07-27-2011 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 51963)
I thought this was a new post until I saw date on 7tune! It does look very similar to the mule and they even called the EJ20. mmm... :popcorn:
So it's a ej? Wtf happened to the fb??
Did I miss something here?

Matador 07-27-2011 10:30 AM
Post from 2009. Son of a b........

SVTSHC 07-27-2011 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1 (Post 52314)
Post from 2009. Son of a b........
:(

Giccin 07-27-2011 01:30 PM
Who dug this up?!? >;l

colHolm 07-27-2011 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 52328)
Who dug this up?!? >;l
And why are we all still replying? :bonk:

bofa 07-27-2011 04:53 PM
Waiting for this thread to derail into a GT-R vs LFA argument... :popcorn:

tranzformer 07-27-2011 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bofa (Post 52344)
Waiting for this thread to derail into a GT-R vs LFA argument... :popcorn:
Ooops my bad. I thought this would be the RX-7 vs. Supra argument thread. My bad. :bonk:

Random_Art 07-27-2011 05:43 PM
No! Civic vs Celica!

MrVito 07-27-2011 05:44 PM
Jeebus, please lock this ancient thread.

Allch Chcar 07-28-2011 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 51963)
I thought this was a new post until I saw date on 7tune! It does look very similar to the mule and they even called the EJ20. mmm... :popcorn:
It's not getting an EJ, it's getting an FB.

This thread should die in a fire.

Random_Art 07-28-2011 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar (Post 52478)
It's not getting an EJ, it's getting an FB.

This thread should die in a fire.
Correction. It's getting something vaguely EJ shaped, but it's only rumor of anything beyond that.

Allch Chcar 07-28-2011 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Random_Art (Post 52485)
Correction. It's getting something vaguely EJ shaped, but it's only rumor of anything beyond that.
Incorrect, it's going to be an FB20. The EJ-shape was a misunderstanding by Moto-san. Moto-san is a AE86 guy not a Subaru tech.

The only thing unknown is what Subaru/Yamaha are going to do with the head design. Besides putting Direct Injection with Port Injection that is.

ichitaka05 07-28-2011 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar (Post 52497)
The only thing unknown is what Subaru/Yamaha are going to do with the head design. Besides putting Direct Injection with Port Injection that is.
In the end, Yamaha have design to put bit more juice in FB (plus STI team gave some rec/info on previous engine datas) and Subaru tested that FB engine along w Toyota. They have finished and currently finalizing the small detail stuff.


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