Honda CR-Z
 

What do you guys think of this car? Also the brochure of the car has been leaked.

Random Video of the car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59l40_dtYEU
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FWD = no fun

Just something about being pullled around by a car that never really gave me an idea of having 'fun'.

more and same info from a different source

We just received the following email from one of our followers in Japan. Contained within are a number of photos of the official CR-Z Brochure, which were posted on various Japanese websites.

From what we can see, here are some of the specs:
Length: 4080 mm (160.6 in.)
Width: 1740 mm (68.5 in.)
Height: 1395 mm (54.9 in.)
Wheelbase: 2435 mm (95.9 in.)

Engine: 1.5L i-VTEC + IMA
Transmission: 6MT or CVT
Power (ICE): 114ps@6000RPM
Torque (ICE): 145 NM (107 lb-ft)@4800RPM
Power (IMA): 14ps@1500RPM
Torque (IMA): 78 NM (57 lb-ft)@1000RPM
0-100km/hr (0-62mph): 9.7 sec

Also notice the emphasis of LED lighting - in addition to the typical wing mirror indicators, it appears that the CR-Z will feature LED running lamps in the headlight cluster (pic 4).

UPDATE: In the comments below aznstuart has pointed out that the chart in pic 8 seems to indicate that the CR-Z will be offered in two versions, alpha and beta, with the alpha version apparently being a non-hybrid. . Upon taking a second look at the chart, it appears that while there will be alpha and beta trim levels, all trim levels will feature the IMA system (thanks danielgr).


Dear Mr.Jeff

Hi, my handle name is hnsxr, I'm big fan of your site, living in Japan(age 27, Japanese)
Sorry that my English is not so good, but yesterday I found some
leak photo of 2010 CR-Z and I can't stop informing you about that.

You can see some CR-Z leak pics(catalog photos) down here.
http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/8668...cr-z_br-01.jpg http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/8668...cr-z_br-02.jpg

http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/8668...cr-z_br-03.jpg http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/8668...cr-z_br-04.jpg

http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/8668...cr-z_br-05.jpg http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/8668...cr-z_br-06.jpg

http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/8668...cr-z_br-07.jpg http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/8668...cr-z_br-08.jpg

http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/8668...cr-z_br-09.jpg

http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/8668...cr-z_br-10.jpg
↑It says...
・Torqueful acceleration with 1.5l i-VTEC engine.
・0～100km/h 9.7sec.

http://sohc.vtec.net/news_files/8668...cr-z_br-11.jpg
↑It says...
・There are 3 modes,ECON,NORMAL and SPORT.
・Color of the lights around speed meter changes along to those modes.


I hope these information worth your site .

See you!


hnsxr
Japan



but yeah fwd, and hybrid at that, is boring...with the exception of a couple...

It's cool but Honda lost alot of enthusiasts, myself included, when they canceled their entire RWD program. I was thinking about getting one until the car that brought me to this forum was announced.

0-60 in just under 10 seconds? Uber fail, Honda.

I mean, I have no problem with this car being at the back of the FWD pack but come ON, at least give it SOME semblance of being competitive. This actually a step back from Honda's more recent "fun" FWD cars.

Recent "fun" FWD cars? I can't really think of any Honda "fun" FWD since end of 90's. All the recent Honda has been heavy weight.

The last fun FWD was the '00 ITR, at least here in the US.

Fun and FWD are contradictions. As such they don't belong in the same sentence without the words "not, is not, is never, will not be, poop in a scoop, and rolfcopter".

pretty ugly

hey look, an oxymoron

DC5, EP3, and FG/FA were all quite fun, if not on the same level as the DC2 ITR.

FWD may not be ideal, but that doesn't mean it can't be fun. You need to drive a well done EK Civic or DC2 Integra to fully understand. Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Honda+ another FWD= FAIL....they refuse to take a hint, thats y i'm jumping ship tired of waiting...............................

or i might just wait for this to happen

BMW M1 -- Baby M 1-series car is coming!
As reported on 1addicts homepage.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1...3600/135iM.jpg

from: http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...Series/244598/:

Quote:
BMW is looking at a new M model below the M3, according to highly placed sources from inside the firm’s M division, who suggest the new car has been favoured over a BMW supercar.

Based on the next-gen 1-series, the new car will be designed to introduce younger customers to new M cars. It would compete with cars such as the next-generation Audi S3, with pricing starting at around £32,000.

“We’re conscious that our existing customers are gravitating towards larger and more expensive models such as the X5/X6 M,” said an M division source. “We’re looking at ways to attract new customers to the brand, and an entry-level model is part of those plans.”

Among the new car’s biggest backers is newly installed BMW M division boss Kay Segler. The former head of brand management at Mini, he has experience with fast, compact two-doors: he oversaw the introduction of the Mini Cooper S and Cooper S Works.

Asked whether BMW’s M division was considering producing a sports car to go up against the Audi R8, Mercedes SLS and Porsche’s 911 Turbo, Autocar’s source said, “Such a project would fit nicely with our operations and would be greatly accepted by the engineers. But the priority right now is a more affordable model underneath the M3.”

The car is likely to be based on the next 135i, meaning it will use a turbocharged 3.0-litre straight six producing around 330bhp. And BMW may well revive the M1 badge for the car.

NEWEST INFO AS OF DECEMBER 7, 2009

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/24...he_bmw_m1.html

Return of the BMW M1
The BMW M1 name returns, but will it appear on a hot 1-series or a new supercar?

BMW has confirmed it is to build an M1 – although the badge could be worn by one of two models currently under development. First up is a baby M-car, but many within BMW would love the name to appear on the rump of an Mercedes SLS AMG-rivalling supercar instead.

M Division’s priority is a sub-M3 model based on the 1-series and using a heavily-tweaked version of the 135i’s twin-turbo straight-six producing around 400bhp and 370lb ft of torque. This will be mated to the new seven-speed double-clutch gearbox and is likely to drive the rear wheels through the M3’s trick differential.

Well-placed BMW sources predict that other M-car features are likely, including the M3’s complete suspension, while to further boost its cred the engineers are working to remove 70kg from the 135i’s pudgy 1485kg kerb weight.

Visually, expect the little M to be closely based on the Tii concept car BMW displayed at the 2007 Tokyo motor show, with enlarged front air intakes and a less subtle bootlid lip.

Expect the new model to go on sale as soon as early 2011. As for the price, our source added: ‘If you look at M3 and 135i, there’s a lot of space for pricing. We’re thinking about half way between them.’

The trickiest decision could be on the name, though. We understand that BMW’s ‘old guard’ have problems with a 1-series wearing the M1 badge because of the original they developed in the 1970s. They would prefer the name to be held back until the arrival of a latter-day replacement for the 1978 mid-engined supercar, and that’s a project that M Division is now actively working on. See the M1 Homage concept here.

In a sharp departure from the past, it is believed that this new supercar, due in late 2012, will use both electric and high-revving petrol motors to achieve sub-4sec 0-60mph performance. The drivetrain is said to take lessons from the Vision EfficientDynamics hybrid (above) revealed at this year’s Frankfurt motor show, mating BMW’s twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 with twin electric motors. The new car would use this system to provide added boost at low rpm before swinging across to petrol power at higher revs, much like the X6 ActiveHybrid does.

‘M Division should have its own supercar built in three years,’ a senior BMW source said, ‘but we need to sell some cars first. That’s why the 1-series M-car is the higher priority.’
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Have you driven a gutted, K20 EG or EK? It's almost heaven on earth and much more fun than spirited driving in my S.

Hmm, sounds very promising. I'll have to keep my eyes out for this. :burnrubber:

I would hope BMW doesnt use M1 to be honest...the M1 is the car that started the motorsports division within BMW and as such the badge does not belong on a 1-series car. Bring back the tii designation from 2002. I could still be built withn M but it would leave the M1 badge to a car that could actually compete with Audi's R8 or Ferrari's California, depending on if the want a GT car or a proper sports/track car

(pic got deleted, somehow, and I don't have the URL for it)

You ever driven an AE86 with a semi-stiff suspension?


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No I haven't but a FWD car can be extremely fun. You will not win this one!!! :evil:

Yeah, understeer is so much more fun than controlled oversteer.

And from a balance standpoint, its much more fun to be pulled around by the front of you car than to feel the power push you from the rear wheels.

Your turn.

You're apparently getting that I said a FWD is better than a RWD. I haven't said that, simply that a FWD can be extremely fun. I did say that driving a gutted K20 EG was more fun that spirited driving my S because, well frankly, it was. Dunno why you have to dispute that.

or TRD M Celica, EP82 Starlet GT Turbo, G201S Daihatsu charade detomaso, Mirage Cyborg ZR, Renault Megane, Corrado VR6, Golf GTI.... etc etc etc

The list goes on. I'm not an advocate of FWD, but you have to give respect and credit where due. FWD can be fun.

You caught on too quickly, blargh.

Of course its a pointless dispute, its an argument over 'pure' opinions. While most opinions can be countered by facts, an opinion of "whats fun" in terms of driving is completely subjective. If FWD is fun to you, then saying FWD is fun is correct. There is absolutely no way to dispute it other than for the sake of being argumenative and a complete douche-hole.

I was making an arguement out of it to see how far it would go.:popcorn: I like to see how far people will bicker with me on silly subjects sometimes.

I kind of gathered the bolded part. :thumbsup:

if you wanna get philosophical, "fun" isn't subjective. the degree of how fun something is is what is subjective. the argument itself isn't pointless, it's only pointless if you find fun as being subjective, then the idea of even starting the argument shouldn't even exist.

the last ITR was in 01. lol i'm a ITR fanboy.

the CR-Z looked appealing at first, but after reading the specs in the leaked brochure, its weaker than the cars Honda used to make, and being that it's a hybrid, i'm not too sure if people would be able to swap out for Honda's older conventional engines.
I'm still gona go test drive it anyway.

I was also interested in it but the specs are kind of disappointing. Like you I still want to test drive it :D

Notice in my post that I used two words in one same sentence: opinion, and subjective.

"an opinion of "whats fun" in terms of driving is completely subjective".

here is a link and look at what the mugen cr-z could look like. i guess its from the brochure. it doesnt look half bad. prolly cost loke 40k....lol
http://vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=867382

From straight conversion as of now it would be around 28k USD (I got this number from the vtec.net). That is too pricey.

sorry to resurrect the pitiful CR-zzzz discussion... but the following quotes kinda sum up the CR-Z to me:

and this (in response to a CR-Z thread on honda-tech.com where someone said that if only an "Si" version of the car with a K20z and a 6 speed had been offered "it could have been the replacement for the now officially dead NSX and gone but not forgot S2000".)

Truly nothing "sporty" at all about the CR-Z! :thumbdown:

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The second quote is so very true. A FWD, no matter how fun it may be, could never replace or succeed the NSX and S2000.

As shown on Jalopnik
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2090/cat2x.jpg

speaking of honda fails, wtf is up with killing off the s2k?! I'm still mad about this..they're just following toyota's footsteps into the inevitable boring decade, hopefully followed by a revamped line of sports cars

Weren't the Acura guys thinking about getting their hands into RWD?
I thought I heard that somewhere..

Edit: Oh, and I meant "Weren't" to be past tense. I'm pretty sure they scrapped the idea if they had it..

Speaking of Honda and RWD, I've heard Honda's got nice bikes.
Been thinking about getting myself a sport bike.

The S2000 was losing Honda money as sales dropped off the face of the earth pretty much from 2005-on. That's the reason they quit making the NSX after MY05.

Honda scrapped all RWD programs including the S2000 successor, the NSX, and the Acura program.

honda makes great bikes. the cbr600 is a great beginner honda bike with LOTS of power and the cbr1000rr is an amazing all around bike, crazy power, fast shifting, moto gp style snub nosed fairings. IMO the only bikes that beat honda are yamahas. kawasakis are nice as well, though.

but remember, the lower the displacement, the lighter the bike. most stunters ride 600s

im actually thinking about trying to get a 600F4i by next year. The RR is going to run me too much money for a beginner.

It's a shame honda is headed in the direction that they're headed in with their cars.

Yamaha bikes > *

:bow:









disclaimer; does not take into consideration Ducattis and MVAgustas.

Rumor: Honda CR-Z Type-R
 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m...ex03-630op.jpg
2011 Honda CR-Z – Click above for high-res image gallery

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/17/r...-in-the-works/

that car still sucks