Top Gear (Korea) GT86 Video Review
 

I only spent a couple hours translating this.. so I didn't have a chance to fix the grammar errors :P

From what I hear, the BBC version should be coming in about a week or two :) so this should do now!
enjoy! :happy0180:

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Awesome!

what happened to it?

what do you mean?

miss the final lap time~?

I had to cut it for the 15 minute margin on youtube, sorry.

So, 2 seconds faster than the Scirocco R on the skinny crappy tires.... Not bad. Imagine you could pull another second or two off that with comparable rubber.

I think those OEM 16" wheels look much better on the car than the EOM 17".

how can a big, fat, SUV be faster than it around a track!? range rover sport!?

Close to 2x our horsepower and sticky tires.

i like hearing the opinions of people from all over... i disagree wtih his view on the interior tho. yea its not top of the line or anything but its far from bad. I bet if he sat in a dodge magnum(what i came out of) then got in the 86 he wouldnt be saying its the worst :lol:

still, that seems kind of embarassing. and like WTF?

all this talk of low center of gravity, and low weight, and we're getting beat around a track (where it is supposed to have the advantage) by an SUV?

:brokenheart:

i bet it would be a big difference with just good sticky tires

thats true.

but still, taking into account the nearly twice the HP, nearly twice the TQ, the car is also over twice as heavy! i just don't get it.

You are embarrassed that. $100k SportUV was faster than your Japanese econobox?

You aren't driving a fast car, you are driving a fun car. If you expect the former, be prepared for an ownership marked by disappointment.

yes. and we are not driving econoboxes. this is a sports car, a 6,000 lb suv should just not be in the same league on a race track. and yes, i'm fully aware this is not a "fast" car.

I did even know they had top gear in korea, and im korean. They just recently shipping japanese car to korea not to long ago, i guess the scene is catching up pretty fast

This is an econobox despite what you might think. This car is on the absolute bottom of the spectrum of price for sports cars, you think they are taking a huge loss on making it for your sake?

I'm going to guess this is your first venture into something mildly sporty. Your grounding as to what cars are capable of seems quite off.

so you're saying the frs falls into the same catagory as the nissan sentra, toyota carolla, dodge neon, chevy cavalier, etc? just because it is an afordable sports car does not make it an econobox.

for a car thats being reviewed against elise's, 370Z's, and porsche cayman's all i'm saying is it seems wrong to see a gigantic SUV beating it around the track.

Well, I'm kind of stumped as to how the hell that happened :iono:
I guess horsepower and tires make a big difference in this case

It's easy to shave seconds off of straight line times. If you can shave tenths of seconds in your cornering then you are doing really really well. The SUV has a HUGE engine that it can get a few seconds ahead of the 86 in the straights, then the 86 makes it up in the corners, but it can't make up the gap the big guys create in the straights. Makes sense to me.

That seems like a good group of hosts, is Top Gear USA officially the worst version of Top Gear in the world?

5Zigen has wheels that look like an upgrade to those 16" OEM wheels and I believe were designed specifically for the twins following a similar style. From another thread...

What amazes me is that the FR-S does quite well, but with obvious disadvantages. Mainly HP/Tq and tires. Improve those 2 areas minimally not to overpower the chassis ..... and watch out 2 ton suv.

I believe you have not driven any Range Rover, or even MDX. They handle pretty darn good for big a** SUVs. Sh-AWD in MDX makes it feel like a smaller SUV in the corner. I've not driven RR sport supercharge, but RR sport is nimble. Its off-road capability is one of the best out there.

http://overwatchreport.com/upload/2038/Flying_Pig.JPG
This is how SUV's look like in my mind

Top Gear Korean seems to disagree.

This video makes me want to go out and take drifting lessons or at least take (someone else's) 86 out on a fast track and spin it around corners!

It's amazing how flat it is with Korean Stig kicking it around the corners on the hot lap.

We are talking within the margin of error here on the lap. Different days, different conditions, blah, blah, blah. Frankly it doesn't both me at all. I know which one I'd rather be driving, and it ain't the SUV.

Like they say, given enough thrust a rock will fly.

I'm getting tired of people complaining about the interior. Its that bad? Really? And the face this guy makes when he talks about the interior. Looks like he wants to puke. I for one loves the interior. It fits perfectly with the sportiness of this car.

I don't think Top Gear USA is that bad. I find it entertaining. Ofcourse, some episodes are better than others..
You should try to watch Top Gear Australia. That was bad. And its a reason its not on the air anymore! ;)

I agree on TG-USA. It definitely has a different "feel" to it, but I still enjoy it. I view it more as pure "car based sit-com" compared to other versions of TG that try to throw some psuedo-reviews in on occasion.

Can't speak to the Aussie version, haven't seen it.

Anyone know how much the GT86 costs in Korea? Seems like his only real grudge was the inflated cost of the 86 in the Korean market.

No need to see it either.. :)

Yupp, Top-gear is more of a entertainment show for the masses. What I like about the Top-gear USA is all the trips and good funny times. Yeah its "dumbed down", but still lots of awesome car stuff.
For more factual reviews I use several Youtube channels. Lots of good stuff there.
Or watch fifth-gear, even tough I find it a bit of a compromise in terms of car reviews. They often try to combine entertaining and factual, and often end up with some stupid tests where results are quite random or, not that informative.

TV:
-TG USA - Entertainment (comedy)
-TG UK - Entertainment (comedy)
-FifthGear - Reviews with some hint of entertainment

Youtube:
-Drive, Chris harris - Exelent driver cars reviews. Always good driving and very informative. I also find his shows to be quite entertaining in different ways. Some cool motorsport stuff and various things are also on that show.
-Motortrend, Carlos Lago - Good reviews, often with some performance numbers
-Carbuyer: Good short reviews of most normal cars, goes through the practical stuff better than any other.

Some people take it as the word of god

Apart from the interior, and the price comments at the end, I fully agree with this review, this is why I am buying this car. Just have to wait another month for it to arrive :(



Top Gear (UK) won't be on till January. They were going to have an Xmas special, but apparently that's been shifted to January as well. :(

Yes I'm saying that the FRS is directly comparable in terms of econobox to the Corolla and the like. To think otherwise is just delusional.

Example 2013 Corolla interior:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/con...as_19-0822.jpg

And if you think it's wrong that a big SUV is beating your car around the track, I suppose the X5M will blow your mind since it is faster than everything you listed.

I agree.

The original AE86 was also not designed to be a performance car. In fact if you actually look, the full designator of the AE86 or newer AE's has always been:
Corolla Levin
Sprinter Trueno

This car is not about performance, it was designed for fun, it just so happens that it has an excellent chassis for performance, but if you look at the stock 86, there is nothing special about it.

You should be happy with the stock lap time, that tells you that a car that wasn't designed for performance is still faster than a Golf GTI, so if you care for performance, its an excellent starting point for modifications to make a properly fast car.

Bingo. I purchased this car because when I drove it it reminded me exactly of the E30 M3, and when I caned it on the backroads it was an absolute blast. This isn't a numbers car in any fashion, and that's what I love.

Did anyone else think that this video would be just awsome if they spoke Japanese instead of Korean?

I just went onto the Toyota Korea website and looked it up.

Automatic: 4640
Manual: 3850
http://www.toyota.co.kr/showroom/sho...sp?carNumber=6

Now if somone can figure out how to convert it to USD that would be great. I have a feeling that the characters after the number may be multipliers so that throws me off.

I disagree, and before you also call out my grounding, I'd point out that in addition to the FR-S, I also own a 2011 Audi S4. The S4, while no R8 or "proper" RWD BMW M, is still an amazing car both in numbers and track times.

But you know what. . . I test drove an FR-S, and my S4 is for sale, with only 7k on the clock, because it's about 50% the fun and "sports car" the FR-S is. You can drive the S4 at the limit all day long and it screams back "big deal" at you. It doesn't engage you, it spoils you. I don't want to be spoiled. I want to be challenged. The S4 challenged me at first, but it wore off quickly. The car drove itself. . even with the nannies off (sport diff and center diff torque-vector)

The moment I sit in the FR-S, I immediately feel connected. I feel like the car was setup for "me" to drive it. Not fiddle with the stereo, not call someone cuz I'm bored of driving, just drive. The car somehow manages to make even just driving down my alley at 5mph "fun". I don't even care why. Maybe there's a mind control device, maybe the dealerships brainwash you when you buy it. . The car captures all the things that make driving great for the people that actually like driving.

I could buy more than 2 FR-S's for what the S4 cost me, but at the end of the day, even if money meant nothing, I'd still take the FR-S.

This car was engineered with "zero f__k's" given about what the jones's were doing. They questioned what actually makes driving fun, and gave us a car that checked as many boxes as possible while keeping it affordable.

Rock on Toyota.

:party0030:

-Rich H.

This isn't anime world nor is it 1990s

Manual costs USD $35394 without any options (lowest baseline model)