Electric FR-S by TGMY
 

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http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2012...t-suzuka-33518


Now comes news of an electric FT86 (known Down Under just as the 86) coupe, largely care of Japanese electric propulsion specialist TGMY. In place of the 2.0-litre boxer petrol engine, the FT86EV uses a 75kW electric motor drawing power from a rear-mounted 37kWh lithium polymer battery pack.

Although it puts out less than half the wattage of the normal mill and, at 1460kg, weighs 200kg more, it makes up for it with a 20 per cent more torque, available instantaneously. The FT86EV puts its 240Nm of torque to ground through a four-speed manual transmission, pushing it to speeds of up to 200km/h.

On its first public run, it managed a lap of 2:57.06 minutes around the 5.8km Suzuka F1 circuit. By comparison, a 205kW Honda NSX makes it in 2:50.

sounds good if they can make it a hybrid! 150kw hybrid PLease!

Video:

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This is fun--Electric 86
 

Saw this in MRT's newsletter:

http://www.mrtperformance.com.au/res...20about%20this

This is awesome. :thumbup:

That'll sort out the 86's lack of low-end torque for sure... ;)

i hate hybrids so much. i dont care if it is more efficient i want my car to run gasoline only. call me old fashioned.

Wait, what happened to the original thread about this!?

It's not a hybrid. It's fully electric.

Ahh my bad. My mistake. But either way. I prefer petrol

Hmm...I'm not sure how I feel about this yet.

Thoughts after watching the video: The car seemed slower, unbalanced, and less responsive, E.g. on turn 16 on the first lap...and not to mention surprisingly loud for an electric :iono:

If Toyota/TMGY team up with Tesla again like they did for the Rav4EV, that would definitely be interesting to see :drool:

I love those wheels... If I had a Whiteout FRS, I would make it a mission in life to get those. Very Initial D-esque.

I dig em too...best I've seen so far...but I haven't seen anything out of the LA show yet. Car would be a nice competitor for BMW's i3 if both came to the market.

More torque?? But at what cost? 200kg of weight with half the HP? No thanks!

Okay, I guess?

I'm not really ready to see an electric motor for the GT86. Maybe in some odd years later on in the future I'll be more receptive to electric or hybrid cars, just not yet.

I would love it. If money was of no matter I would have an electric car. The Tesla S (the 4 door sedan) for example accelerates faster than an M5. Electric cars can shred like nothing else and I want one. Nothing feels better than a super flat torque curve from way down low.

But the sound of combustion through the exhaust pipes. No level of power or efficiency replaces that when you are cruising down the highway

Don't like the extra 400+ lbs...

I mean.. it's not for many of us (myself included).

However I do think it's pretty bad ass. I am all for R&D.

what amazing innovation!!! FRS is changing the game!! brilliant! what a cornerstone achievement!

ah nice... so what next? drifting in an electric FRS? :bonk:.

Google "RS Watanabe"... Can't get a hold of some legit Watanabe's? Checkout Panasport.

What I like about ID, almost all of the parts you see on their cars exist. I mean, Tsuchiya san is behind the scenes so shit can make any kind of sense right? hahahaha

The electric motor's power rating has almost nothing to do with the peak power unlike ICE(internal combustion engine). That 75kw is what it is rated to maintain for 1 hour. Electric motors can generate far more than that for brief bursts of time, but it depends on the controller's amperage limit and the battery pack's discharge rating.

There's no way to know how much power it's actually generating without more info.

I just wish there was more info. :/

Just so you guys know, all this hybrid electric BS doesn't make sense. I rather burn coal in my car, then someone burning coal to make electricity and then using electricity. Making electricity at its best systems is like 7% of its original energy. Who actually ends up doing more damage?

I've always dreamed I would do this to my BRZ when it becomes old, hopefully in 20 years I still have her and the battery tech is quite advanced that switching to electric is considered an upgrade rather than a compromise :)

One word: Coooooool.

True, however in the U.S. we have considerably more coal than oil (to quote my professor: "we have a $#!tload of coal here"), so electric cars may have to tide us over until the next propulsion invention comes around.

I for one hate going to the gas station and spending $40 everytime I fill up. It's inconvenient and spending. It would be so much easier to spend $1 and simply plug my car in when I get home or at work or at the grocery. I don't like hybrids because I still have to go to the store and it will use lots of gas still since it they only go a minimal amount of miles before needing gas (prius plug in, volt, fisker, etc). Saving $1500-$2500 on gas a year would be super.

Electric 86 for the win! And Telsa as well if it didn't cost me so much.

City smog would be an afterthought if all cars were electric. :happy0180:

It's cool but i still love the smell of petrol and exhaust making noise more.

Also ideally electric cars should be build from the ground up as an electric car, putting the batteries flat at the bottom (Tesla S, Leaf) because that's where the weight is best kept. Battery tech is already great and already here. The issue is we just need a place to plug in our cars wherever we go, which is already possible, just a hassle (have to ask someone and whip out your extension cord). Ideally each parking spot at a grocery store would have a plug on it. Current electric cars can go over 100 (Leaf) and even over 200+ (Tesla). 95% of people don't drive more than 100 miles a day.

One of the biggest issues with electric car is and always will be the upfront cost will be higher vs gas cars. Are you willing to spend a little more now to save the rest of it's life or spend less now and spend more constantly over time (not just gas but also many more parts to fail). Many brain studies have shown people will spend less now vs more now.
:barf:

If there was an 86 in both electric and gas versions with the electric costing $5k more and both had similar performance, I would go electric every time. You'd recoup the $5k in gas alone in the first 2-3 years. :thumbup:

This is exactly what I plan to do with my Dad's '87 MR2 whenever he decides to sell it to me - after it spends a few years with a Blacktop 20v.

Hypothetically speaking even if i would save more than $20k on petrol i still wouldn't choose electric over petrol engine. There's something about a smelly, noisy engine that no electric engine can replace.

Empty road, radio off, window down and just hear the engine rev.. :party0030:

I just wanna cry when I see this... :cry: just plain horrible. The day that electric or hybrids cars will be accepted. When I'll die of old age and I'm only 22 years old.


No matter what, when you want a electric car,well we all know your not a man...
Even worst a electric sports car... :barf: I don't understand it. I'll go buy a remote control racecar if you want one leave it at that... Please!!!!



Petrol engines all the way :party0030:



Petrol engines maybe put 40$ everytime you fill up. What happen electic cars any check how much money on there electic bill? For a difference cause it sure it ain't free nothing is free. Just a little question if someone don't mind awnsering? Thanks

You are wrong. Burning coal in a large facility that runs at a steady state with a huge focus on efficiency and pollution controls is far better than burning it directly in your engine. The typical ICE operation is 15-20% efficient while Coal power plants is closer to 40%. Plus it's been shown that Electric cars are cleaner and more efficient than Gasoline power cars from well to wheels.

Meet Greet.

That's nostalgia talking. The smell of Petrol is carcinogenic and the exhaust is the sound of wasted energy. Some people grew up with R/C cars probably feel the same for electric motors if they stuck with electric instead of going nitro. :D

I like the sound of a nice ICE exhaust but I kind of like the idea of a quiet but high pitched whine from an AC motor too.

:thanks: for that answer. I can elaborate for you.

15-20 percent efficient from the original 100 percent. Then that 15-20 percent has to go through cable lines into central power stations, and the resistance of the cable only passes 90 percent of the electricity. Then at the Central power stations, another 10 percent is lost as the electricity is distributed. Then from there, the power goes to the local stations that look like cylinders on the poles. That's 25 percent efficient.
For the 20 percent, .20 x .9 x .9 x .25 is approx 4% efficient at the end.
For the 15 percent, .15 x .9 x .9 x .25 is approx 3% efficient at the end.
That's just to get the power to your house and not counting the efficiency of the car, but whatever it is, the power loss to just get it to your house is 80%.

Now when you say focus on efficiency and pollution controls, I want to know what you mean? The gunky paste they get as waste from coal has not found a use yet. Where does it go? There is no clean coal production! It is like saying Americans Recycle bins actually recycle. They don't. It is just thrown into a seperate place, but the waste is still there and growing. When you take colorful glass bottles to recycle, most of it never get recycled, because it requires more energy to recycle it than make a new one from scratch.

Where oh where did you get these numbers from? First, that 15%-20% you quoted was for combustion engines, not coal plants. Coal plants are 37%-44% efficient according to This study. And combined cycle natural gas is 50%-54%. The total transmission and delivery loss in the US is around 7% Here This gives us a final efficiency for coal at 34%-41% and 46%-50% for natural gas. Brushless DC motors are typically 85%-90%.

Now. I love the sound of gas and diesel engines, but they don't hold a candle to DC motors in terms of power delivery. Maximum torque at 0 RPM, nearly flat torque curve though much of it's operating range, and able to produce high peak power beyond it's continuous rating. The major downfall is power storage. Gasoline has a vastly higher energy density than the best batteries, and manufacturing lithium batteries is pretty dirty business. There's also charging time, 10 hours to charge vs 5 mins to fuel up. Electric cars really aren't practical for most people just yet.

Weight distribution is now 80/20 probably...awesome!

I know you probably don't realize this was in the original link so I'll point it out for you.

A 75kw electric motor doesn't weigh that much. But I wish I had more info, maybe I'll email them later.

I read that, I was just being opinionated. I very much dislike electric vehicles.

Lots of stupidity in this thread.

It costs about $2 for enough electricity to send a Model S ~60 miles. That beats every gasoline or diesel on the road.

In many states, the carbon footprint for electricity generation is minimal. Here in California, we have large amounts coming from wind, solar, and hydroelectric power with the balance coming from natural gas. All of these are clean, and most are efficient (Solar is super inefficient but the energy available is huge so it sometimes works out well).

Electric motors can absolutely stomp ANY internal combustion engine when it comes to hp/lb, efficiency, and torque delivery. As an example, I worked with these motors in a conceptual design my senior of college: http://www.yasamotors.com/technology/products/yasa-750h

That motor puts out 201 peak HP and weighs 55 pounds. You can put two of them in place of a differential in the rear with a direct linkage to the axles and they will absolutely haul ass. 400 peak HP out of 110 lb of motor. And they can do it all day, every day.

For reference, let's look at an LS3. (Source: http://www.ls3crateengine.net/) 430 lb and 430 hp. That's a 1:1 hp/lb ratio from a VERY good engine. In comparison, the YASA electric motors put out 400 hp and weigh 110 lb. That's 3.63 hp/lb, which is 3.63 times the power/lb the LS3 can put out. Anyone who argues with that being a good thing is very foolish.

The downfall of electric cars is energy storage. If we had a way to store energy at even half of the specific energy and energy density of gasoline, and had a way to "fill" that storage as quickly as a gasoline tank, we would very quickly see a shift in the world's transportation paradigm. Even the best tech that's available right now limits the range and takes too long to charge to use as a realistic replacement for a gasoline car, especially if it's the only car you own. When that tech becomes available, I will gladly drive a 400 hp, light weight, 400 mile range electric car to work every day. And my penis will be no smaller (or larger) for it.

Look. I love IC as much as the next guy. Working on them is fun, they sound great, there's something very visceral and primal about using thousands of explosions per minute to propel you down the road. But petroleum is a limited resource and smog is a real problem even with today's engine technology (Just ask anyone who lives in LA), regardless of global warming. That shit's not healthy to be breathing and it makes the air literally ugly to look at.

If we want to continue to enjoy our enthusiast cars, our sports cars and classics and everything in between, we need to encourage the world to do everything it can to find alternative solutions. Because as China and other countries start using more and more of the world's petroleum, it's just not going to be sustainable.

All the negativity in this thread reminds me of a bunch of rednecks complaining about Japanese cars. "We don't need dem Jap crap cars, we've got our chevy trucks, 'Murica!" It doesn't make you cool or manly. Just ignorant.

Cheers
Nathan

UC Irvine Electrical Engineering Book that my teacher had when they held a study...
Information might have been older, but I still don't trust the government's information. They are all in the money making business. Well actually lets not go there.

With Newton's laws, we know that energy is neither created nor destroyed. From that, burning something to make energy will give a certain amount of energy and a certain amount is lost. Now from that, turning the energy into electricty and bringing it with loss already uses more energy than just straight burning it...

Negative.The number of steps it takes for the energy to get to your wheels for gasoline or electric power cannot be simply compared to choose the more efficient option. The efficiency of every step in the process needs to be considered. The gas turbines in our natural gas power plants here in the states operate at an efficiency that our cars cannot even dream of reaching. (60% for combined cycle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_cycle, the best internal combustion engines reach MAYBE 30% http://tinyurl.com/c7v57jc)

Also, if you take into account the amount of fuel burned by the ships, trains, and trucks that are needed to bring gasoline to your local station and the energy spent on the refining process (Natural gas pretty much just needs to be bottled, gasoline is complicated to produce) the balance shifts even more in electricity's favor.

Gasoline is not an efficient means of transportation. It is a convenient means of transportation.

Cheers
Nathan

That's completely true, but I would like to stay with my info on this bit. 20 percent of the original energy is left from where you originally bring it, to all the way to your house.
I don't think trucks burn 800 gallons of fuel on the way to the gas station and back where if they had 1000 to begin with...