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FR-S v.s. BRZ
My first post here... :)
I had the question in mind about the FR-S v.s. Genesis Coupe but after reading the thread and remembering the test drive I had with GC 3.8, I was not sold on that car. But now a more difficult choice is that, which company will you pick: Toyota/Scion or Subaru? Which dealer would you like to deal with a Scion dealer or Subaru dealer? Which one would have a better quality built? Which car (based on manufacture & name) will have a better resell value? Which one would connect driver to the car and road? Or Will you wait for the BRZ STi version and call it Subaru only? Reasonable comments are invited! |
Depends on pricing, features, interiors, exterior appearance and options IMO.
Scion dealer is closer but I have friends at the Subaru dealer so that's where it would go regardless. Same quality, it's the same car being built on the same factory floor. The resale will likely be about the same (% wise) since they are basically the same car. THEY ARE THE SAME CAR, both will drive the same. There may never be an STI (not STi unless this is 2005..) version. There will be one most likely but it won't be sold until a few years from now. |
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BTW, when I drove the GC I had the same impression as you had... I think this car WILL sell a lot! ..Ben |
I'm getting the Subaru version mainly cause I have a friend that is the GM at Subaru. He says there may not even be an STi version. But if there is one it won't be till 2013
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I wonder about service. Will Scion dealers work on BRZs and will Subaru dealers work on FR-Ss?
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Whichever has the options I want for less money. I don't care which badge is on it.
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It's good to introduce yourself HERE :happy0180: My answer in blue! |
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December issue of motor trend that came out today on the iPad has a 5 page article on the Subaru BRZ.
A few things I saw I liked are: Possibly more power down the road but they would not say if it was a turbo or not. And it was mentioned before but it was designed from the beginning to be easily made into a convertible. I know a lot of people here are not into a convertible but I love scenery and live near the mountains and I love cars. I like the scion looks but would get a subaru if it had more power and a convertible in a year. Joe |
Whatever is the best value but most likely scion.
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I will answer this question about March next year...
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I want the Toyota face and the Subaru rear end. That would make me proud.
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The Scion brand is too inmature for my taste. If I buy the Scion I'll swap badges ASAP.
my big concern will be insurance price, Scion has a horrible reputation with insurance companies mostly because teenagers buy n crash em all the time. I quoted insurance for a 2011 scion tc and it was more expensive than my 370z and wrx!!! :iono: |
Right now I am leaning towards the Subaru side, simply because of the taillights. We are gonna have to see the production model first though, although I don't think the FR-S will be that different since they printed up so many brochures for it already. Pricing is another thing the price difference for the WRX between the US and Canada is $8,000 while its only $1,500 between the TC. I would rather spend that extra $6,500 on something else if the tail light is the only thing different.
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From everything that I know and have seen of the two cars, the Subaru BR-Z fits me best and will probably be the one I go with.
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Interesting that the majority are going towards Subaru (myself counted). I really hope Subaru will give a time line for the STI version during Detroit autoshow. If not too far, I'll wait for the STI.
I also heard the 2103 2.0T GC may have 300hp. |
I saw it mentioned somewhere that either car will take different development paths once the car is brought to market. i,.e. anything above the standard models will either be by Subbie or By Toyota. If we are extra lucky, we could be privy to one of the greatest series of "one man upships" in the history of the sports car.
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It'll depend on the dealer and the lenght of the warranty...plus I've seen they have different bumpers and interior will probably be different...
I'll choose the less "rice" one, so it'll probably be the toyota. |
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The only things to compare between the two would be exterior, pricing, options, branding (which is transparent to me), and warranty policies. Official info on these items from both sides have not been announced so it's hard to answer your [interesting] questions without speculating. I'd like to read what everyone says once we know all the details.
Me personally, I'm waiting for official announcements on something like a Scion Release Series or STI. That's when I'll really compare/stress over making a decision. But to keep on topic... I expect there to be clear differences between BRZ vs. FRS which should become very apparent once both cars are fully revealed. Can anyone speculate what the package differences may be? Didn't Subaru announce it will be going in a slightly different marketing direction? |
I will be getting the Scion. My reasons are stupid and petty, but I have just never liked the Subaru name or most of the cars they produce and the only reason I am ok buying this car is because of how much Toyota has had a hand in it.
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It may even happen that on some market just one car will be sold, for example in Italy Toyota has lost almost every credential about sports car, so I think the Subaru dealers would be more likely to sell it.
A the same time Toyota dealers are many more... |
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Umm that's kinda half the point of them building the car... to get those "credentials" back |
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http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/14/2...hp-turbo-four/ |
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Yeah, I saw that, but that wasn't my point. See it says 2013 Genesis coupe there champ? Have a good afternoon. p.s. 2.0T still didn't get 300hp. :bellyroll: |
If the bodies are identical I'll just take the one that's cheaper (including options and insurance). If the bodies are slightly different I'm leaning towards the BRZ based on the concept that was shown today. A few days after November 30th and I'll probably have decided where my deposit is going.
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BRZ with FT-86 rear bumper, diffusor and exhaust.
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I'm in the "too early to tell" camp right now. The cost of ownership will matter [MSRP + insurance], however if the aesthetics sway me one way or the other, or there are features I prefer, that'll sway me too.
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I'm thinking BRZ because it is essentially a Subaru built Boxer engine, that the Toyota dealers are going to take a while to learn the engine, Subaru have perfected the Boxer and they know the ins and outs of the motor. The obvious choice is Subaru BRZ for service and maintenance and just general customer satisfaction
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Since this will be a RWD car, I would like the "safer" choice if there is a difference. I think there was a rumor that subaru tested this vehicle in lots of snow, and said that it could go 50 mph with no problem. THAT is important to me, above performance and price.
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Compare the two cars (looks wise anyway), as we all know front bar is the only major real difference betweem them.
http://news.drive.com.au/86vsBRZ?rand=1322547636503 |
I cannot think of a greater competition...
Than one where the winner is the one that gets the most "fat" chicks. The winner will be the slowest car anywhere but who cares. X[D |
are the suspension different? if yes which is better?
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