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Wes B. 11-03-2012 03:17 PM

1966 Ford Mustang T-5R
 
I'm just wondering what everyone thinks about this Mustang designed and built by Pure Vision Design. It's far from the traditional fastback build, but it does look pretty slick, and I'm sure it drives like an absolute dream.

Engine: Ford/Lotus 250 c.i. Quad Cam Indy Car V8 bored and stroked to 292 c.i. -- 426 hp @ 6,900 rpm and 300+ (max of 362) ft/lbs of torque from 3,000 thru 7,000 rpm.

Transmission: CR Racing, Inc. (NASCAR approved) 4 Speed Manual.

Front Suspension: Detroit Speed, Inc. 1964.5-1970 Mustang Aluma-Frame

Rear Suspension: Detroit Speed, Inc. 1964.5-1970 Mustang QUADRALink with a Ford 9" Axle Housing (3.73 gears).

Front Tires: Kumho Ecsta V710 245/45R17

Rear Tires: Kumho Ecsta V710 295/40R17

Curb Weight: 2,300 lbs.

http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...-Muscle-21.jpg

http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...Muscle-251.jpg

http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...Muscle-221.jpg

http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...-Muscle-23.jpg

Beyer Subaru 11-03-2012 03:48 PM

Yummy! Love the Martini Racing livery.

Facebook pics: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...1478710&type=1
Speeds hunters: http://www.speedhunters.com/2012/11/martini-mustang/
Purevision site: http://www.purevisiondesign.com/ride...i-mustang.html

Wes B. 11-03-2012 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beyer Subaru (Post 536426)
Yummy! Love the Martini Racing livery.

As do I!

zenki_levin 11-03-2012 05:24 PM

Looks good

They should've taken some pictures of the suspension setup.

Wes B. 11-03-2012 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hachivic (Post 536554)
Looks good

They should've taken some pictures of the suspension setup.

http://detroitspeedinc.files.wordpre...pg?w=360&h=349

briang0901 11-03-2012 07:25 PM

very clean!!!

Wes B. 11-03-2012 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by briang0901 (Post 536743)
very clean!!!

It's the perfect race car that can also be used as a street car!

Shagaliscious 11-04-2012 08:45 AM

That is very nice. Love the wheels. I bet that would be a blast to drive.

Wes B. 11-05-2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shagaliscious (Post 537435)
That is very nice. Love the wheels. I bet that would be a blast to drive.

This is probably one of the best Mustangs I've ever seen. I can't wait until some video of it is released.

Beyer Subaru 11-05-2012 02:36 PM

It's just super cool that they didn't make the whole car out of unobtanium as so many builders do.

They built this car how the normal shade tree mechanic could.

I love the video where they describe the rear end and brake set-up.

Wes B. 11-05-2012 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Beyer Subaru (Post 539779)
It's just super cool that they didn't make the whole car out of unobtanium as so many builders do.

They built this car how the normal shade tree mechanic could.

I love the video where they describe the rear end and brake set-up.

Exactly! Nothing on it is super complex, and that's the key to its beauty. So simple yet so elegant.

Wes B. 11-07-2012 12:28 PM

Update

After speaking with Steve Strope, he informed me that the rear axle (Ford 9") houses 3.73 gears.

Wes B. 12-05-2012 09:29 PM

Here are a few videos for those of you who would like to know a little bit more about this wonderfully built car. If there are any other videos of this car floating out there, make sure to post them!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR73gaeTZ9Y&list=UU2N84_X4erDXzF6TvShjjhA& index=5"]Martini T-5R Mustang Engine Dyno - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygF3EPz2MIY&list=UU2N84_X4erDXzF6TvShjjhA& index=1"]Martini Mustang DSE Front Suspension - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w4LSZCcp7o&list=UU2N84_X4erDXzF6TvShjjhA& index=9"]MARTINI MUSTANG WHEEL TUBS - Pure Vision - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0weBzU_g8Cc&list=UU2N84_X4erDXzF6TvShjjhA& index=10"]MARTINI MUSTANG SUBFRAME - Pure Vision - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGmwbyCZJWI&list=UU2N84_X4erDXzF6TvShjjhA& index=11"]MARTINI MUSTANG STEERING - Pure Vision - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq4HrCFPTLc&list=UU2N84_X4erDXzF6TvShjjhA& index=12"]MARTINI MUSTANG REAR AXLE - Pure Vision - YouTube[/ame]

Wes B. 12-06-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 593529)
Whoaaaa there. I don't know about all that. Installing a 4-link in anything is not something a parts changer should tackle without help from a seasoned body guy who knows how to fabricate and weld. Contrary to popular belief, a 4-link will never bolt right in. There will be cutting and shimming. Also, a shade tree mechanic probably won't be cutting the floor for subframe connectors.

Oh, and a DSE front subframe starts at $6,500 dollars with basic nonadjustable shocks. The Quadralink starts at $3,000 with basic shocks and before even thinking about a 9". Detroit Speed suspension stuff is top of the game in the pro-touring world. Might not be handfabbed unobtanium, but it might as well be for the money.

On the other hand, this is a car local to me that actually was built by a shade tree mechanic. Warmed up small block with a TKO, multileafs and Panhard in the rear, springs and control arms in the front, shocks all around, seats, American Racing T70Rs, and an NJMP Thunderbolt tech sticker. Because racecar.

First off, were four of the same exact photos really necessary? It is a pretty sick car though.

I've known plenty of "shadetree" mechanics that can install a 4-link within a few days. Just because they might be classified as a "shadetree" mechanic does not mean they can't cut, weld, or shim.

Wes B. 12-06-2012 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 594874)
They weren't. I only wanted to post one, but every time I posted the link into the img tool, nothing showed up. For some reason I couldn't see the other 3 links when I went to edit them out.

Your and my definition of shadetree mechanic differs. Shadetree mechanics, in my mind, do not have the skills to work professionally. If they have those skills, what separates them from the folks at DSE who build these things for a living, besides job title?

A different career separates them from the folks at DSE. The guys who I work with on certain projects all have other careers (as do I), but we all love working on cars whether it be swapping engines, transmissions, solid axles or extensively modifying and hot-rodding.

Allch Chcar 12-07-2012 12:57 AM

I have to admit, that's pretty sweet. Simple and clean with attention to detail.

And @LSxJunkie , welding and fabrication is now possible for "shade tree mechanics."
Who now work from garages. :bellyroll:
I laugh but it's true.

Wes B. 12-07-2012 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar (Post 595565)
I have to admit, that's pretty sweet. Simple and clean with attention to detail.

And @LSxJunkie , welding and fabrication is now possible for "shade tree mechanics."
Who now work from garages. :bellyroll:
I laugh but it's true.

Honestly, the only reason why this Mustang is such a hit is because of it's natural simplicity and insane attention to detail.

Indeed, it is! That's why I have a welder in my garage.

Dimman 12-07-2012 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 596021)
Honestly, the only reason why this Mustang is such a hit is because of it's natural simplicity and insane attention to detail.

Indeed, it is! That's why I have a welder in my garage.

Wouldn't exactly call that motor 'simple'...

OrbitalEllipses 12-08-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 536389)
Engine: Ford/Lotus 250 c.i. Quad Cam Indy Car V8 bored and stroked to 292 c.i. -- 426 hp @ 6,900 rpm and 300+ (max of 362) ft/lbs of torque from 3,000 thru 7,000 rpm.

:drool:

I also love Martini livery.

Wes B. 12-08-2012 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 597097)
Wouldn't exactly call that motor 'simple'...

It's simple compared to a lot of the engines we have nowadays.

Dimman 12-08-2012 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 597342)
It's simple compared to a lot of the engines we have nowadays.

I believe, in the case of this motor, you are confusing the word 'simple' with the word 'epic'.

Look closely at the ITBs/velocity stacks. How does the intake porting run?

Allch Chcar 12-08-2012 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 597675)
Having professional tools and skills elevates you beyond shade tree, IMHO. This car was a garage build by a semi-pro.

The difference being a professional with tools versus just a guy with professional tools. :bellyroll:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 597097)
Wouldn't exactly call that motor 'simple'...

Mechanically not so much. There was probably a good deal of work mechanically and especially fabbing the mounts for the subframe like LSXjunkie said. But compared to some cars these days it's incredibly simple, especially electronically.

Dimman 12-08-2012 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar (Post 598188)
The difference being a professional with tools versus just a guy with professional tools. :bellyroll:



Mechanically not so much. There was probably a good deal of work mechanically and especially fabbing the mounts for the subframe like LSXjunkie said. But compared to some cars these days it's incredibly simple, especially electronically.

LSXjunkie pointed out the fabwork is not simple, and though putting in the motor may have been one of the less difficult things physically, I was/am pointing out that it is an old-timey motor with complex fueling (I'm assuming mechanical injection for the ITBs rather than carbs given the original application) and the fact that it has vertical intake ports. Awesome, yes. Simple, no. Plus finding one likely isn't a simple task either. Heh...

So nothing simple at all, really.

Wes B. 12-10-2012 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 598224)
LSXjunkie pointed out the fabwork is not simple, and though putting in the motor may have been one of the less difficult things physically, I was/am pointing out that it is an old-timey motor with complex fueling (I'm assuming mechanical injection for the ITBs rather than carbs given the original application) and the fact that it has vertical intake ports. Awesome, yes. Simple, no. Plus finding one likely isn't a simple task either. Heh...

So nothing simple at all, really.

Eh, I guess it all depends on how you look at it.

chulooz 12-10-2012 02:28 PM

There is nothing simple about this car. Lots of custom fabbing, it has a custom indy V8, cr racing 4spd, and a crazy built suspension setup. This is by all means a track car that can be driven on the street. I NEED it.

Wes B. 12-11-2012 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chulooz (Post 600641)
There is nothing simple about this car. Lots of custom fabbing, it has a custom indy V8, cr racing 4spd, and a crazy built suspension setup. This is by all means a track car that can be driven on the street. I NEED it.

Again, it's all about how you look at it. Sure, a lot of fabrication has gone into it, and a lot of the parts are expensive, but it has a very natural feel. By that I mean that it doesn't rely on luxuries like Sat Nav, heated/air conditioned seats, or DCT transmission to make it a marketable automobile. Also, the engine has far less computer restrictions than most, if not all, of the engines sold in automobiles today.

chulooz 12-11-2012 12:25 AM

Its a track car, of course its more spartan than consumer products at the dealership.

Wes B. 12-11-2012 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chulooz (Post 601652)
Its a track car, of course its more spartan than consumer products at the dealership.

Like I said, simple. Not much is there to get in the way of the driving experience.

LSxJunkie 12-11-2012 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 601631)
Again, it's all about how you look at it. Sure, a lot of fabrication has gone into it, and a lot of the parts are expensive, but it has a very natural feel. By that I mean that it doesn't rely on luxuries like Sat Nav, heated/air conditioned seats, or DCT transmission to make it a marketable automobile. Also, the engine has far less computer restrictions than most, if not all, of the engines sold in automobiles today.


Dude, that's pretty much all pro-touring cars. This car isn't particularly unique in that. It's a natural byproduct of starting with cars built in the 60s.


http://www.lateral-g.net/dorn/DSC01314.JPG

http://www.lateral-g.net/dorn/DSC01320.JPG




http://www.lateral-g.net/members/grill/HPIM1189.jpg

http://www.lateral-g.net/members/grill/HPIM1170.jpg

Wes B. 12-11-2012 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 601938)
Dude, that's pretty much all pro-touring cars. This car isn't particularly unique in that. It's a natural byproduct of starting with cars built in the 60s.

Good thing I said it was simple and not unique. Although it is pretty unique. How many Mustangs can you list off that are built like this one?

Wes B. 12-11-2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 603355)
Minus the engine?

http://bit.ly/12jYMQg

No, including the engine or one similar to it.

Dimman 12-11-2012 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 603373)
No, including the engine or one similar to it.

The completely not simple indy car engine with vertical intake ports? So not-simple, in fact, that they specifically mention in the video that it took them 6 hours to put in on the dyno. Which doesn't have an entire car around it.

That engine?


(Replace simple with epic in all your descriptions and I wholeheartedly agree with you. This is just in fun. Car is fucking awesome. But not simple.)

speed3 12-11-2012 09:05 PM

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It's puuuurdy, I want it.

Wes B. 12-11-2012 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 603425)
The completely not simple indy car engine with vertical intake ports? So not-simple, in fact, that they specifically mention in the video that it took them 6 hours to put in on the dyno. Which doesn't have an entire car around it.

That engine?


(Replace simple with epic in all your descriptions and I wholeheartedly agree with you. This is just in fun. Car is fucking awesome. But not simple.)

As I've said before, it's simple in that there isn't much to get in the way of the driving experience.


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