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Racecomp Engineering 11-01-2012 12:41 PM

The RaceComp Engineering BRZ "Clubsport" Build
 
This story began in February 2012 when Subaru of America loaned us one of their pre-production BRZ's for testing and initial product development. From the time that the BRZ/FR-S was unveiled, RaceComp knew that we had to have one. Driving the test car not only reinforced that decision, but it gave us the opportunity to get a head start on doing what we do best: designing and producing suspension components for this exciting new platform.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...G?m=1351623722

Our first order of business was to work on our performance lowering springs, designed to be used with the stock dampers. We don't believe in guess work or designing something that's "close enough." When we develop a new part, we do our research and engineer it properly from day 1. So we began by removing the stock springs and dampers and measuring everything; stroke, bump/droop travel at stock ride height, bump stop length, spring rate, spring length, etc. Then came the important part, analyzing the dampers on a shock dyno.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...g?m=1351623819

We also put the car on scales to check overall curb weight, front/rear weight distribution, and cross weights.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...G?m=1351623761

Armed with all of this information, we had a set of prototype springs on the car in a matter of days. Our research paid off, and only minor ride height tweaks were needed before the spring specs were ready to be sent to production.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...G?m=1351623686

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...g?m=1351282194

Racecomp Engineering 11-01-2012 12:42 PM

After patiently waiting, the RaceComp Engineering BRZ Limited in Satin White Pearl was delivered in May 2012. We got one of the first cars delivered in the US.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...G?m=1351623874

Naturally, we already had some mods lined up to go on the car as soon as it arrived. The first thing to go on were RaceComp Engineering lowering springs along with Whiteline Com-C front strut top mounts. This would be the first of many suspension setups.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/albu...g?m=1351623866

We also added BBS CH-R wheels in 18x8 with 235/40/18 Michelin Pilot Supersports. One major shortcoming of the factory BRZ and FR-S is the Michelin Primacy HP tires. I don't know why they would fit such mediocre tires to a car this performance oriented but needless to say, the Supersports made a HUGE difference.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...g?m=1351623850

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...G?m=1351623961

Racecomp Engineering 11-01-2012 12:42 PM

With a nice baseline established, it was time to really improve the car's suspension and see what this chassis can do. We started by adding the STi pillowball rear control arms, which replace the factory rubber bushings with sealed spherical bearings.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...G?m=1351624297

Whiteline was kind enough to send us a big box full of bushings. We installed the following:

-Rear upper control arm inner bushings with camber correction
-Rear crossmember insert bushings
-Rear trailing arm lower front bushings
-Positive shift kit bushing

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...g?m=1351282151

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...g?m=1351282162

Whiteline has just announced the release of several new bushings that we look forward to adding in the coming weeks. We also received the following bushings from AVO:

-Front lower control arm rear bushings (+0.50 caster adjustment)
-Front lower control arm front bushings

All of these suspension bushings were a vast improvement over the factory rubber bushings. Turn-in was more precise and it was much easier to feel what the car was doing mid corner. With a minimal increase in NVH, these mods are almost a no brainer for anyone looking to improve their BRZ or FR-S's handling for a reasonable cost.

Racecomp Engineering 11-01-2012 12:43 PM

With the bushings installed, it was time to put some proper dampers on the car. As with any new chassis, we will be testing as many different suspension setups as possible. We decided to start with something we have had success with on other chassis: the JRZ RS1. This is a single adjustable monotube damper with adjustable gas pressure. After this upgrade, the car exhibited the excellent chassis control we have come to expect from JRZ dampers. We were also impressed with the exceptional ride quality, especially given the relatively stiff 450 lb/in springs front and rear.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...g?m=1351624219

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...g?m=1351624254

While the JRZ's really did blow us away, we knew that they wouldn't remain on the car for long. Given the success of our RaceComp Engineering Tarmac 2 coilovers for the GD, GH, and GR Impreza chassis, we decided early on that we wanted to develop a Tarmac 2 for the BRZ/FR-S. They are based on the popular KW Variant 3, with our own valving and spring rate specifications. We received our first prototype set and they went on the car the same day.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...g?m=1351623649

We were very satisfied with the results of this test set, but the valving isn't 100% there yet. We are continuing to work on the development of these dampers, and once we get the valving dialed in they will be sent to production. Rest assured, once we are finished with this development process, we will be testing plenty of other damper options.

Another relatively simple modification that can vastly improve a car's handling characteristics is a set of upgraded sway bars. Whiteline provided us with their 20mm front and 16mm adjustable rear bars. The install was very quick and easy and they really helped control body roll during steady state cornering.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...G?m=1351719124

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...G?m=1351719126

We also wanted to pay some attention to upgrading our brakes. While the factory brakes are actually quite good with excellent pedal feel, this car will be tracked (with significant future power upgrades) so we decided to go a bit overkill in the braking department. We installed an Essex Competition front brake kit, which utilizes AP Racing 4 piston calipers and 325x32mm J-hook 2 piece rotors. While the rotors are approximately the same weight as stock, we saved around 6 lbs. per corner in caliper weight. The kit also provides much improved cooling, better pad and rotor wear, and a much more solid pedal feel. For the street, we are using Ferodo DS2500 pads front and rear. For the track, we have a set of AP Racing C300 pads.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/albu...g?m=1351282112

Racecomp Engineering 11-01-2012 12:43 PM

With handling and braking pretty well covered, we wanted to add a few minor visual improvements to really set our BRZ apart from the crowd: the icing on the cake, if you will. We started off with an Alcantara wrapped steering wheel from JPM Coachworks. To say the quality of their work is exceptional would be an understatement. Not only does the wheel look amazing, but it feels great too. While a fairly subtle upgrade compared to some of the other mods we've done, it really did improve the driving experience. It just makes you feel like you're behind the wheel of something special.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...g?m=1351282135

For a little extra exterior flair, we added an STi front lip (known as the V-Limited on the GD Impreza). This subtle ABS plastic piece is a very tasteful yet noticeable part. It is also functional, offering a minor decrease in front lift.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...G?m=1351624453

Racecomp Engineering 11-01-2012 12:43 PM

At this point the car looked and handled great, but it was missing something important: POWER! We here at RaceComp Engineering aren't generally too hung up on making huge power. We're suspension people, so we go for chassis balance rather than straight line speed. But once you have a car that can truly fly around corners, it just feels downright ridiculous to only have 200hp! So we decided to start with some minor power mods.

First was a Perrin Cat Back and Front Pipe. We went with a matte black muffler for a more stealthy appearance.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...g?m=1351716560

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...g?m=1351716560

We also added an AVO silicone inlet pipe and panel filter (not pictured). Finally, we had the car dyno tuned using ECUTek software. The tuning was done by Jorge Carrillo from P&L Motorsports on the Dynojet 424 chassis dyno at IAG Performance in Westminster, MD.

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...G?m=1351624488

The final numbers were 178whp and 146wtq, which is not too shabby. Most importantly, the powerband was smoothed out and the mid rpm range dip was eliminated. Now the car pulls smoothly to redline and feels much stronger than stock. It's still not breaking any land speed records but it feels like the engine has been uncorked somewhat with minimal mods. Even so, we have a very significant power increase coming soon from AVO ;)

Racecomp Engineering 11-01-2012 12:44 PM

So, this is how the car currently sits. Understated yet unique enough to stand out. Subdued enough for our fearless leader to drive it every day (even if he is old and crusty).

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...G?m=1351624409

http://rcephotos.com/photos/var/resi...G?m=1351624483

Keep your eye on this thread for updates as we continue to develop this car. We will be doing significant power upgrades, trying new suspension components, wheel and tire combos, and more!

F1point4 11-01-2012 12:59 PM

Subbed. Good work going on here.

chutrain 11-01-2012 01:22 PM

You guys are doing a great job on suspension development. Thank you for showing the process and dedication you put into all your projects.

jduffy 11-01-2012 05:43 PM

Quote:

We also put the car on scales to check overall curb weight, front/rear weight distribution, and cross weights.
Can you post these measurements? Thanks.

BoxeRZ 11-01-2012 07:20 PM

Sub. Really liking this.
Any lower measurements on those original springs? Still happy with the results?

ultra 11-01-2012 07:42 PM

Thanks for compiling everything you guys have been up to in one thread.

I've based a lot of my chassis mods on your build and various advice you've given on this forum and you've never steered me wrong (no pun intended).

Appreciate your contributions and am interested to see what you guys get up to in the future.

My 'build':
http://www.crankandpiston.com/on-the...the-water-msw/

RYU 11-01-2012 07:54 PM

You guys are my hero.

How about some guidance on tire selection given your suspension components? :)

For example, this car will only ever see RS3s or StarSpecs, best case scenario, and mostly on street tires like Ventus V12s. I doubt i'll ever have Hoosiers or even NT-01s on this car which might make some of the suspension parts (like stiffer sways/springs) futile?

driver01 11-01-2012 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 532634)
While the JRZ's really did blow us away, we knew that they wouldn't remain on the car for long. Given the success of our RaceComp Engineering Tarmac 2 coilovers for the GD, GH, and GR Impreza chassis, we decided early on that we wanted to develop a Tarmac 2 for the BRZ/FR-S. They are based on the popular KW Variant 3, with our own valving and spring rate specifications. We received our first prototype set and they went on the car the same day.

I have a set of KW v3 for my FR-S. Will it be cost efficient to send these to you and make them into tarmac 2 Spec?

Racecomp Engineering 12-20-2012 12:13 AM

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Speedy000 12-20-2012 12:47 AM

Like! :D

Surok 12-20-2012 02:16 AM

Very nice. hurry up and release those clubsport suspension kits.
and what offset are those wheels? i must have them!

i cand find a vendor on here who sells BBS ... :< where can i get those wheels?

OrbitalEllipses 12-20-2012 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surok (Post 618601)
Very nice. hurry up and release those clubsport suspension kits.
and what offset are those wheels? i must have them!

i cand find a vendor on here who sells BBS ... :< where can i get those wheels?

18x8 +38 BBS CH-R.

Jeff86 12-20-2012 03:02 AM

Love the car. Everything looks awesome!
Do want that steering wheel in my hands.

JoeBoxer 12-20-2012 03:11 AM

Very elegant and tasteful build, I always thought they were 245/35's but it says 235/40 in the post?

Racecomp Engineering 12-20-2012 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 618662)
Very elegant and tasteful build, I always thought they were 245/35's but it says 235/40 in the post?

yeah those are 245/35-18's.

The Michelin Pilot SuperSports are the best tire I have been on since ( ready for this young guys....)....the Pirelli P7 BACK IN THE DAY ! hahhahaha. It handles track days and yet last 30k or more with moderate amounts of front camber ( as long as toe is zero).

Myles

Racecomp Engineering 12-20-2012 10:18 AM

TO BLACK OR NOT TO BLACK?
 
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...87746231_o.jpg

but picture it with the new BRZ STI ( spy photo wing).....

Kilzod 12-20-2012 11:59 AM

Great looking car! I prefer black, but both would look good!

Grimlock 12-20-2012 12:21 PM

I'd rather keep the wheels silver.

You could always try plasti dipping them for a temporary real-life trial

spitz 12-20-2012 03:08 PM

Black.

OrbitalEllipses 12-20-2012 03:20 PM

Silver.

MarkRacerX 12-20-2012 03:50 PM

Usually I am about Black stealth look, but silver looks very Clean/Crisp look !

Great build!

kask2_6.0 12-21-2012 08:54 AM

Those wheels look good in silver, but awesome in black!

raul 12-21-2012 10:29 AM

If black, satin/matte black. No gloss.

djdnz 12-21-2012 11:15 AM

Silver

gmookher 12-21-2012 11:45 AM

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Mike@TSM 12-21-2012 11:53 AM

Hey guys, fantastic looking stuff you are doing!!

My vote is for Silver!

Racecomp Engineering 12-23-2012 12:46 AM

TITANIUM IT Is !!!!!!


http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/m...nis/CHR-TI.jpg

Racecomp Engineering 12-23-2012 12:49 AM

I want the AVO TURBo kit so bad I can smell the cam-2 filling up the garage and getting into the HVAC system leaving us all in a race fuel woodstock-like moment of happiness !

Myles

zhupanov 12-23-2012 02:49 AM

Huge thanks for sharing! Would you happen to know whether the BBK would clear the OEM wheels (or any 17" replacement candidates, for that matter)? I plan to track the car heavily, and thus expect to install a BBK, but I'd strongly prefer to stick with 17" wheels due to expected savings in costs of tires.

GTB/ZR-1 12-23-2012 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 623644)
I want the AVO TURBo kit so bad I can smell the cam-2 filling up the garage and getting into the HVAC system leaving us all in a race fuel woodstock-like moment of happiness !

Myles

LOL

ATL BRZ 01-22-2013 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhupanov (Post 623745)
Huge thanks for sharing! Would you happen to know whether the BBK would clear the OEM wheels (or any 17" replacement candidates, for that matter)? I plan to track the car heavily, and thus expect to install a BBK, but I'd strongly prefer to stick with 17" wheels due to expected savings in costs of tires.

The OEM wheels will not fit with the AP Racing BBK without a 10mm spacer and extended studs. The OEM spare will fit with a 20mm spacer. I'm still wishing I had those brakes but I've gathered that much info from other related threads.

Back at RaceComp, it's with extreme bias that I vote for Titanium finish on the BBS wheels!!!

Hanakuso 01-22-2013 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 682059)
The OEM wheels will not fit with the AP Racing BBK without a 10mm spacer and extended studs. The OEM spare will fit with a 20mm spacer. I'm still wishing I had those brakes but I've gathered that much info from other related threads.

This is only true for the Sprint kit, which iirc RCE doesn't have. They have the slightly bigger endurance kit. The statement of OEM with 10mm spacer probably still works, but I have my doubts the spare will work with a 20mm spacer since it already barely fits with the Sprint.


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