BRZ, MS3 or Genesis Coupe?
 

I don't know which one to get... I'm having trouble finding a BRZ around me. All of the BRZs I found were out of state and required me to fly all the way to the dealerships to do paperwork or was overpriced :sigh:

edit: decided to go with a FRS even though its not even on the poll :p

FR-S

I'd love to get a FRS but the interior felt so cheap. I thought the sun visor was going to snap off if I used a little bit more force. There's a black FRS next to me for 25,005 if I change my mind but I plan on keeping the car forever. I don't want to risk buying it only to find out the interior tears apart within a year or two... :(

You do realize this is a Toyota 86 forum, right? You already know what the result of the poll is going to be.

Im pretty sure the BRZ and FRS sun visors are the same, even if they aren't the only difference between the two cars interiors is basically colors and layout, if the FR-S interiors start falling apart im pretty sure the BRZ will to, however I dont see that happening with either.

Also you are on the wrong forum to put a poll like this, most if not all votes will be for the twins.

I honestly enjoyed my test drive in the Genesis Coupe, and it has a FAR superior interior to both the FRS/BRZ.

However, it is a almost the size of a Mustang, lacks real sporty performance and relies on the turbo to get things going. Stick shift is lacking as well. I did like the space, layout and leather though. Felt like a great daily driver.

I settled on the FR-S since I wanted it to be a hobby car eventually and it looks sexier.

Drive em all (if you can't find a BRZ, test-drive an FR-S). Buy the one you like best.

Although I personally think you've excluded three of the better cars in this price range, namely the Mustang GT, Miata, and Focus ST.

I voted Gen Coupe because I think it's stupid you're asking this question here :).

I take back my FR-S recommendation. This is not the right car for someone worried about the structural integrity of the sun visors...seriously. You'd never survive the first 24 hours with all the chirping, rattling and wonky idle...it would drive you to a nervous breakdown...Good luck!

You realize it's a $25,000 sports car and not an Audi, right? The interior will reflect that. You're driving a Kia Optima now? How could that car possibly feel any better, interior-wise?

That being said, the FR-S is every bit as good as the BRZ, it just lacks HID headlamps and a navigation system. It costs less money as a result, and the car is an instant classic. Oh, and it drives better than most anything I've ever driven. If you can't get a BRZ (you could ship one down from New England, we have 60 on the ground across the 6 states), get the FR-S!

Do you really want the tank that is the Gen Coupe? Or the monstrous torque steer and boy racer rep that is the MS3? Come on now. If you're going to go Mazda at least get the MX-5. Hyundai well, they have a long way to go with all their models, not just the Genesis Coupe.

I'm still trying to figure out what people find lacking with the FR-S interior. The seats are wonderful... I actually don't feel compelled to buy Recaros for this car. The interior is pretty without being extravagant. It's a minimalist sports car and it's perfect IMO. Also, I have not had the slightest of issues with my FR-S and I'm in the very vast majority.

If you don't care about the experience of driving an absolutely superb sports car then buy one of the others from your list... or any other vehicle mentioned. The only other one suggested that can do what this car does is an MX-5 (which I've also previously owned and I'd easily pick an FR-S again over that car as well).

the sun visor was just an example and ur delusional if you think some noises will make me nervous haha if anything, itll make things even more exciting for me.

Fyi... Scion's are pure price vehicles...no markup! Plan B is worth the holdout. Good luck!

i got the optima because of family and room but i moved away and im not going to have any babies anytime soon. some crazy lady smashed my car and totaled it so no im not driving it. you just mentioned the biggest negatives I have about the other cars minus the smiley the MS3 has going on. im leaning towards the BRZ though because of the crazy handling and the navi. i DO get lost sometimes down here because im still pretty new to the places down here just so you guys know lol (which is why i want the BRZ over the FRS.)

i love the seats too and i want something that handles well and has a navi. the BRZ is everything i want but its too hard to find one which is pretty discouraging. people talk about how slow it is but i think its pretty fast considering its only 2700-2800 pounds WITHOUT a turbo.

I love my FRS.. So much so I make payments on the bitch for the next 80 months.. Happy I got it, but man did I really,really want the genesis I love the way it looks to.. We have one here in the parking lot and I just had to park them side by side and I love it.. Both sharp cars.. My honest to god reason I got the FRS... It doesn't have a Hyundai badge.. I know they have came up.. My mom and dad both own kia.. Small commuter car for my pops and a sportage fully loaded for my mom.. Very nice vehicles.. Everything down to one part is great.. The Kia badge.. Slap a Nissan on it or,Toyota and they couldn't keep them in the lots.. And the new optima is ..... Well amazing.. The feel the power the brakes... Shocking for a family car.. The sales man say it has the 325 in sight... I don't think it's that far off...


That being said.. If you have any buyers remorse like me.... Auto over the stick... Flip it if I had gone for the stick, I would've wished for the auto... Sit in each car.. Take that extra few weeks.. And buy the car the gells with you best..mthe one your going to be happy paying on.. No matter what, itsmparked at your,place and payed for by your cash...

The car I traded in on my FR-S was a Miata and I found it and bought it on ebay in 2006. I flew over to California and drove it back. My last motorcycle, a Harley Sportster, I found on ebay and flew to Cookeville, Tennessee to get it and rode it back to Tucson. I don't consider the cost of flying there and driving a vehicle back as part of the cost of that vehicle. I consider it the cost of a neat, mini-vacation.

As far as taking that survey on this forum - :bonk:

i have no time to fly anywhere or the BRZ wouldve been in my garage about a month ago :(

woohoo I'm the first one to vote for ms3!! I don't know what you guys are thinking, metal slug 3 was a great throw back to the franchise even if it was on the wii. :thumbsup:

2014 BRZ Turbo if you can wait and see if it really does happen. If not BRZ now.

In order of most speed/power in a straight line stock vs stock
1. MS3
2. Gen coupe V6
3. Gen coupe 2.0T
4. BRZ

As far as handling in order of which is the best
1. BRZ
2. MS3
3. Gen Coupe V6, Gen coupe 2.0T

If you plan to mod, in order of most aftermarket support
1. BRZ
2. MS3
3. Gen coupe 2.0T
4. Gen coupe V6

If you want to stay relatively stock and care more about power and utility, get a Mazdaspeed3.
If you want the absolute best handling car in stock form and want a real sports coupe, BRZ.

I've got experience with the Mazdaspeed3 as well. Go to my site www.crossoverauto.com to see the parts available for the MS3 and BRZ. Either way you go, let me know if I can help.

People have been saying that the BRZ's nav is pretty useless so if you need reliable nav, you're probably better off with a Garmin or a phone. Or good ol' paper maps ;)

Amen to that! When I bought the Z3 Coupe I did the opposite - flew down to AZ and drove it back to California. It was a great little road trip :)

It sounds to me like you already know the car you should buy. If I were you I'd be patient and watch for a BRZ. Eventually, you'll come across one. My FR-S was the result of someone backing out of their deal. Just call all the dealers within a range you're willing to drive to and get the word out that you're looking. One will pop up.

Go with the BRZ but also add the Focus ST3 to the list. Which is my main problem. Would love to see the two to head to head even though they are two different animals. Both new and exciting and same price.

Why is the MS3 here? It's a FWD four-door hot-hatch. Worse, it's not even a particularly good one. The only reason it does well here in the US is that it doesn't have the much better competitors (Megane RS, Civic Type R, Vauxhall Astra VXR, etc) it has in foreign markets. Here it only has to go up against the VW GTI - well, until the Focus ST showed up!

If you really want to consider a hot-hatch look at the Focus.

Pure price means you have to pay the markup if there is one, no negotiation. It's a scam.

If you're hung up on the nav, just get a Pioneer Avic head unit with nav to replace the factory Scion head unit. The Subaru nav isn't that spectacular that you should want it strictly for that.

Maybe the FR-S guys can chime in; does the Bespoke unit have nav?

I bought a BRZ because of the better interior and because I didn't want a Scion Branded Car.

After having 4,000 miles on my BRZ I can tell you I'd be happy with an FR-S if I had bought one.

The driver's experience is so great it makes you forget everything because of driver involvement.

Here's a review of it. It's very lame and requires the BeSpoke app for iPhone. Better off getting the stock audio system and replacing the head unit as you recommended.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15067

That said, though, the standard factory audio system is quite decent. Bluetooth was a breeze and I've had no problem using MotionX on my phone with voice turn by turn navi through the car audio so I'm not in a big hurry to upgrade.

Hmm.. asking on a 86/BRZ forum...

wonder what vote's you'd get.:iono:

The brz navi is different, no?

I owned an MS3...a 2009. Do not buy that car unless you are 100% happy with how it is stock (power wise). It was the most difficult car I have ever had the displeasure trying to modify, and I don't think they got any easier with the next generation.

I've heard nothing really good or bad about the Genesis Coupe, but have had no time in the car personally, so I can't comment on that.

The BRZ would be my objective choice, unless cargo room / # seats/doors is a priority for you. Best handling, best steering feel, lightest, best looking (IMO), and best fuel economy.

BTW - just go to your local Subaru dealership and order one that you want...might be easier for you

I would not use Nav as a deciding factor. I picked the BRZ for the Nav (among other things) but end up using my phone's Nav 80% of the time, because of the problems getting a sattelite connection with the car, its regular rerouting when it goes over other roads (thereby thinking I've taken the turn-off), and its generally annoying interface.

You'll be better off with aftermarket or your phone.

On the other hand, I'm pleased with the other items you get with the BRZ Limited - nice Alcantara seats, and heated seats/mirrors (not sure where you moved to, but nice if you've got back problems or any cold weather), plus climate control.

If you don't care about any of those, though, go with the FRS and get an aftermarket nav, or use your phone's, and you'll save money.

Totally agree...in today's smart-phone era, in-car navigation should not be a deciding factor for your purchase.

You left out the GTI. Good interior, well built, and extensive aftermarket modifications are available.

Used 2009+ with the TSI engine & a K04 turbo upgrade, downpipe, LSD, and an upgraded clutch - would put you at the $25,000 sticker price of the BRZ.

http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/pr...tock_93_cc.gif

Probably better to wait for the all-new mk7 GTI instead.

If I were buying new and spending $25,000 I'd get the BRZ. Would save my pennies and get that AVO turbo kit.

ive only been inside a BRZ a couple times...

isnt the interior exactly the same with the exception on the center console?

its a sealed deal i think... im not getting any of the cars i listed on the poll haha. black frs tomorrow i think! :burnrubber:

thx for your inputs guys!!:thumbup:

seats are leather/alcantara and the trim on them is a little different