Factory Turbo BRZ
 

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...023-282ju.html

The automotivenews.com website says it has been told that a blown 2.0-litre engine is being developed using a single twin-scroll turbocharger and direct injection.

It speculates that such an engine could generate up to 209kW of power and 340Nm of torque – almost identical in output to a six-cylinder Holden Commodore SV6 (210kW/350Nm). The current BRZ is a massive 445kg lighter than the Commodore.

Put another way, the BRZ turbo would produce around 169kW per tonne – only slightly less than a Porsche 911 Carrera coupe (174kW/tonne). The 911 Carrera sprints to 100km/h in 4.8 seconds.

Why am I not surprised? And if it's priced well it will be a hot seller like the NA version if not more !

I said long before the release that either Toyota or Subaru will add F/I.

It was purely a matter of time :thumbsup:

200hp N/A was never really going to cut in long term these days.

Now the big questions, price? and what will the differences to the engine/drive line be over N/A?

WTS: 1 x Toyota 86 GTS AT, MT Fuji Red

I will likely trade in for it when it comes onto the market but will be happy just to get my current one first ;)

An extra 8-10k?

This + extra allocation of cars = goodbye resale value..

:'(

should have bough the Renault Megane RS265.. at least i would have been prepared for the depreciation haha

i was going to buy the same car! but when i get my fulls lol! *shakes fist at turbo*

yeah but you guys didnt really think resale would last forever?

it's a $35k car... a base Commodore is the same money

it would always be the strategy to release a plain N/a model then 18 months later hit them with a convertible and a blown model... if some people buy two cars then that's good!

toyota is out to make as much money as possible and this is a fine strategy to do that

This is the second post on the boards today on this topic. Both the head engineer for Subaru, and the head of STI have both said the car will remain NA in all variations.

Given that cars are a depreciating "asset", resale wasn't even in my list of priorities anyway :)
The only reason I will sell mine is to move overseas anyway :)

The original story @ http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...lops-brz-turbo does not give sources. I am suggesting it is another rehash of the turboed FA20 story. The f/i FA20 is fact. Turbo BRZ is rumour.

According to who?

Personally I think this is much more interesting:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20441

An idiot motoring journo rehashes six month old news and everyone goes into a tizzy?

Based on Nick Senior's interest in these cars, IF we get a turbo BRZ they will be 7 .. maybe 8 brought into Australia.

"dont buy this NA model right now, because there is going to be a turbo version with more power in a year or so. we hate money"

This is not something you are going to hear a manufacturer say. ever.

they want to sell as many of these as they can, so saying that they are 'never' doing a turbo is just their marketing spin to sell more cars NOW.

they will still sell turbo cars later, and you will trade in your NA against them.

I'll believe this when i see an official announcement from Subaru.

They have plenty of other cars they can put this engine in first, and while the Gunma factory has its order books full don't expect a turbo version any time soon.

And will this mean they are ditching the Toyota port and direct injection system? Will Toyota allow this? Is it worthwhile for Subaru when the build ratio is already 8:1 / to add a different engine to the line?

Having said that, they'll announce it tomorrow ;-)

very good points you raised there.

i'm not a believer for factory FI to be released. but don't really care either way.

I will? That is news to me.

wont happen.

If Subaru announce it will build a turbo boxer for the BRZ, then one must also assume that Toyota will have its variant too & in greater quantities. I always thought it would happen & I really don't care when ! This car is now, lets enjoy it. :thumbsup:

This.

I remember reading somewhere that there is a gentlemens agreement between toyota and subaru not do any mechanical mods for a year after initial release, so i think it will be announced half way through next year, and i dont have a whole lot of confidence that there will be a big allocation sent down here, probably be 200 of each companies hi po variant for aus.

It WILL happen eventually and this is my GUESS as to when it will happen, but to think that toyota and subaru aren't working on a higher power model is just crazy imo, at the end of the day its a sports car, and what is something that will always be wanted in a sports car? MOARRRR POWWWAARRRR!!!!

one will just have to be quick to order if one wants a peice of that particular(limited ed) pie

The FA20 is going to be turbo, it is coming soon..
if it makes it to the 8RZ6 is a different story.

by the time they release it, or not long after, mine will have a genny mounted in the boot and a spa pump under the hood.. :\

Not really an issue.. is it ?? In three or four years there will be a better mousetrap of another brand... it's the way of the motoring world.. the 86/BRZ combo have just relegated the Intergra to history.. and so it will happen to these.. just enjoy it and in three or five years move on to the next big thing.. simple really.. all a matter of money Vs want.. :)

Yeahhhhh . . . Me too . . . and I want MOARRRR . . . . . cars ! :thumbsup:

A direct injected fa20 turbo already exists
Please go look at a JDM Subaru legacy and tell me otherwise
How is this related to BRZ/86?

IMO if they make a Turbo BRZ (STi?) and Turbo/SC 86 (TRD?) expect it to cost the same as WRX STi.

Toyota will never have turbo on the 86 they state that over and over again. But Subaru just might or will (by the looks of things)....:D

If they do it will kill their potential spiritual Supra update (if it actually exists).

I hope they dont put a turbo in it. If Subaru do, it wont matter too much, they dont make enough of them!

How figure?? the Supra will be a completely different class of car... likely to be much more luxurious, MUCH more powerful and a whole lot more expensive.

Toyota are now working with BMW and the revived supra is likely to be a 6cylinder+electric performance hybrid.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/544...ts-car-project


And unless you've been asleep during all the hype about AIMS, i'd be looking at the LF-LC to likely be the new "supra"
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....pt-detroit.jpg
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/09/l...-detroit-2012/

+1 to this. I *love* my naturally aspirated 86! ^_^

In my head I see the new Supra being more of a competitor to a 370z or BMW 135i. So the price range for that I would guess to be around 70k.
If they make a turbo 86, the power they could get from that with its weight being so low will create one hell of a monster. 0-100 times in under 5 seconds etc etc. The new Supra will probably be similar, but yes as you said more luxurious.
I dont think I'd call the Lexus a Supra. That kinda looks as if its a GTR competitor.

IMO the Supra should be accessible in price and an everyday 6cylinder sportscar like it always was. I cannot imagine Toyota making a Supra for well above 100K, although the GTR is up there and in supercar territory!

Using some random inflation calculator a MKIV Supra RZ RRP in today's values was about $90k.

with ya on the more cars part my dream garage will be 4 cars* and a motorbike for me and 2 cars* for the wife/gf lol







*Disclaimer: Cars subject to change upon what there is available and our change in tastes

There was a guy over on SupraForums who said his gen 4 turbo was $44 in 98, which would be $62,500 today according to the US Bureau of Labor and Stats.

Still an expensive car, for sure.