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Hachiroku 10-22-2012 02:05 PM

New Rumor: Subaru Developing Turbo 4 2.0T for BRZ
 
Via Automotive News

Quote:

Subaru is developing a turbocharged direct-injection version of its familiar horizontally opposed, 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine. One use for the 2.0T will be the recently launched rear-wheel-drive BRZ coupe, sources say.

The engine uses a single twin-scroll turbocharger and straight direct-injection developed in-house, rather than the DI/port-injection system engineered with Toyota for the current normally aspirated BRZ and the Scion FR-S.

Tuned for the BRZ, the turbo could generate 280 hp and 250-plus pounds-feet of torque. That would be a significant increase in output compared with the 2.0-liter boxer in the 2013 BRZ, which makes 200 hp and 151 pounds-feet of torque.

The BRZ turbo likely will debut as a 2014 model.

theredtape 10-22-2012 02:16 PM

How reliable is automotive news as a source? I have heard this a million times already...

zigzagz94 10-22-2012 02:17 PM

believe it when i see at the dealership (or an official announcement from subie).

DarkSunrise 10-22-2012 02:17 PM

Twin scroll turbo + DI 2.0L engine! This is the combination I've been waiting for. Wonder if another application will be the WRX.

switchlanez 10-22-2012 02:20 PM

It's already been confirmed since earlier this year that there will be a turbo version of the FA20. It's also been confirmed by the Subaru chief engineer that the BRZ will not have a turbo and by the STI president that they will not make a turbo for the BRZ. This can only mean the turbo FA20 will be implanted into another Subaru car (not the BRZ).

El_STiG 10-22-2012 02:20 PM

do I hear a $30K price tag?

eshtog 10-22-2012 02:20 PM

Wow, I guess now I won't be getting a turbo or supercharge kit for my BRZ.

Foobar 10-22-2012 02:22 PM

Yeah I'm not holding my breath for a Turbo BRZ. Subaru did say they were switching to a turbo 2.0 platform (versus the 2.5) for the other cars in the lineup for fuel economy reasons though, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them there.

raz0rbladez909 10-22-2012 02:25 PM

This is old news, it's already on Subarus .jp website under the Legacy GT
http://www.subaru.jp/legacy/dit/perf...ges/pict02.gif
Roughly 300 ft-lb of tq at 2k rpm?!? YES PLEASE!!!!
More info if you want to translate http://www.subaru.jp/legacy/dit/

dsgerbc 10-22-2012 02:26 PM

If "news_day==slow_news_day" then report "turbo_BRZ_coming".

OrbitalEllipses 10-22-2012 02:27 PM

We've got a thread on that Legacy GT engine in Off-Topic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 513010)
Yeah I'm not holding my breath for a Turbo BRZ. Subaru did say they were switching to a turbo 2.0 platform (versus the 2.5) for the other cars in the lineup for fuel economy reasons though, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them there.

WRX has been confirmed to be a 2L turbo engine, but they've been mum on the WRX STI. It's entirely possible it may remain a 2.5L turbo to differentiate between it and the WRX; something that's been really lost with the GR/GV generation STI and GH WRX.

switchlanez 10-22-2012 02:27 PM

Oh and also a turbo BRZ would steal sales from Subaru's flagship - the next Subaru STI.
Quote:

Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 513018)
If "news_day==slow_news_day" then report "turbo_BRZ_coming".

Spoken like a programmer. haha

Superhatch 10-22-2012 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 513018)
If "news_day==slow_news_day" then report "turbo_BRZ_coming".

I loled. :bellyroll:

Turbowned 10-22-2012 02:34 PM

-SAYS WHO?

-WHAT SOURCES?

I CALL :bs:

Did Tada-san and Sasaki-san not both adamantly state that there would not be a turbocharged variant of the BRZ??!!

FRES86 10-22-2012 02:36 PM

You all can hold your breath until your face turns rally blue waiting for the BRZ to get a factory turbo/STI application, I'm not waiting! Im gonna run a Vortech supercharger and blow by all the stock BRZ's in a sideways drift, lol! That would be cool thoughif Subie released a 2.0T BRZ, I know that Toyota is building a TRD supercharger for the FR-S that has been confirmed. :burnrubber:

Dorb 10-22-2012 02:44 PM

Glad I am in no hurry to buy anything yet, the money will keep in the bank just fine. Plus the Focus ST3 is not out to compare yet. So I have nothing but time on my hands. I must say this will put the ball back in the BRZ must have column for me.

I imagine if you already have a BRZ you really do not want to hear any of this Turbo stuff at all.

RRnold 10-22-2012 02:47 PM

Good things come to those who wait! :popcorn:

Ziptied 10-22-2012 02:48 PM

I'd rather have ITB's

jduffy 10-22-2012 02:49 PM

Yeah, my friend spoke with one of the Subaru engineers visiting SoCal and he said the BRZ would NEVER get a turbo.

Superhatch 10-22-2012 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dorb (Post 513075)
I imagine if you already have a BRZ you really do not want to hear any of this Turbo stuff at all.

I'm VERY happy with the car in stock trim, and an extra 25-50 hp of bolt ons or cams (when they come out) will make the car perfect imo.

Also, adding a turbo, which would likely be on the STI version will likely put the BRZ in the high 30's. No thanks.

jimbobrand 10-22-2012 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 513005)
It's already been confirmed since earlier this year that there will be a turbo version of the FA20. It's also been confirmed by the Subaru chief engineer that the BRZ will not have a turbo and by the STI president that they will not make a turbo for the BRZ. This can only mean the turbo FA20 will be implanted into another Subaru car (not the BRZ).

^This.

The turbo FA20 is currently planned (and I think may already be in use) in the JDM Legacy GT and will most likely show up in the next generation WRX/STI.

Snoopyalien24 10-22-2012 02:51 PM

Plus Toyota kinda wont allow it since they already said no Turbo - ever.

Maybe its for the new WRX? or the new STI

Kimsey47 10-22-2012 02:52 PM

I thought the BRZ was a little underpowered till I was able to go storm some of the TN mountain roads... I'm happy with her as-is with no boost! Rear end came around when she needed to and made it a blast of a trip!

zigzagz94 10-22-2012 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRES86 (Post 513052)
I know that Toyota is building a TRD supercharger for the FR-S that has been confirmed. :burnrubber:


confirmed by who and when? can you link to a reliable source?

TheRipler 10-22-2012 03:04 PM

Of course they say "No turbo ever!". They aren't idiots. They're going to milk the NA for all they can, then when the hype starts to die down "New turbo 86!"

Ground N Pound 10-22-2012 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jduffy (Post 513089)
Yeah, my friend spoke with one of the Subaru engineers visiting SoCal and he said the BRZ would NEVER get a turbo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 513005)
It's already been confirmed since earlier this year that there will be a turbo version of the FA20. It's also been confirmed by the Subaru chief engineer that the BRZ will not have a turbo and by the STI president that they will not make a turbo for the BRZ. This can only mean the turbo FA20 will be implanted into another Subaru car (not the BRZ).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24 (Post 513098)
Plus Toyota kinda wont allow it since they already said no Turbo - ever.

Maybe its for the new WRX? or the new STI

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRipler (Post 513130)
Of course they say "No turbo ever!". They aren't idiots. They're going to milk the NA for all they can, then when the hype starts to die down "New turbo 86!"

+1 to what TheRipler said. Nobody is that stupid to confirm that a BRZ / FR-S turbo is coming when they're trying to sell as many current models as possible.

Dorb 10-22-2012 03:11 PM

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...e-works-report

Why would folks make this up. What is there to gain...

Pete156 10-22-2012 03:12 PM

There's so much BS going on in this thread it's like a presidential debate.

switchlanez 10-22-2012 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ground N Pound (Post 513137)
+1 to what TheRipler said. Nobody is that stupid to confirm that a BRZ / FR-S turbo is coming when they're trying to sell as many current models as possible.

Hyundai announced the Turbo Veloster around the time the N/A Veloster (or maybe even before) it launched. Hyundai isn't stupid.

xwd 10-22-2012 03:23 PM

Yeah, there is nothing confirmed at all at this point, period.

And the engine isn't new at all like others have said.

Circuit Motorsports 10-22-2012 03:29 PM

It would be awesome if they did put this in a future STi BRZ version, but I doubt it will happen.

Ground N Pound 10-22-2012 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 513146)
Hyundai announced the Turbo Veloster around the time the N/A Veloster (or maybe even before) it launched. Hyundai isn't stupid.

So? That's Hyundai. Different manufacturers have different policies / strategies when it comes to this stuff.

Snoopyalien24 10-22-2012 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ground N Pound (Post 513137)
+1 to what TheRipler said. Nobody is that stupid to confirm that a BRZ / FR-S turbo is coming when they're trying to sell as many current models as possible.

Said so by Tada himself. This car was a blank canvas for everyone, its the purpose of the car. Toyota does not need to make money like we think they do. The sales are over exceeding what they imagined and its the 1st year in and it's still NA.

I am confident it will eventually come, but by that time there will be plenty Superchargers/Turbochargers already out in the market. An OEM option is the safest route when it comes to warranty.

TheRipler 10-22-2012 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ground N Pound (Post 513176)
So? That's Hyundai. Different manufacturers have different policies / strategies when it comes to this stuff.

Let's just say that Subaru has screwed with me like this before. :)

If they don't come out with a turbo BRZ, they will never sell me a 4th Subaru! :brokenheart:

jpit 10-22-2012 03:37 PM

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...e-works-report

jarviz 10-22-2012 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El_STiG (Post 513006)
do I hear a $30K price tag?

that still sounds like a pretty good deal...

Beyer Subaru 10-22-2012 03:43 PM

So that is to say that the STi BRZ would have a ratio of .1 Hp/Weight.

This would be beyond supercar territory.

Saleen S7 = .254
Carrera GT = .198
599 = .166
SLR McLaren = .164
Etc, etc..

I'm calling shenanigans. Another slow news day equals a rediculous article.

nedmundo 10-22-2012 03:47 PM

I figured Subaru's 1.6 liter DI turbo might be more likely for the BRZ, because, all else being equal, a smaller displacement engine should fit more easily. I know this has been posted before, but:

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...r-engines.html

BTW, I wouldn't take the "no turbo ever" statements too seriously.

jesperswe 10-22-2012 03:53 PM

Hey, why didn't my FA20 come with all those shiny things on??!

Superhatch 10-22-2012 03:55 PM

It does make sense that Subaru would be turning back to their 2.0L engines to replace their 2.5 linup aside from their heavier vehicles, specifically because of the mpg gains. If they can drop the 2.5 and bump up their entire Impreza / Legacy line 3-4mpg it would be a significant fleet mpg improvement.


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