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zc06_kisstherain 10-19-2012 03:45 PM

Should i take this car?
 
I ordered swp premium manual.
Dealer just called me that they received a car that has few options likr chrome fender, auto dimming mirror, wheel lock, rear bumper applique. And car has 79 mileage. Same color.

I am going to dealer tomorrow to check out.
Should i take this car?

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marine321 10-19-2012 04:35 PM

It's all up to you. Its probably gonna cost more.

FRiSson 10-19-2012 04:37 PM

What's chrome fender look like?

Tommi 10-19-2012 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FRiSson (Post 508181)
What's chrome fender look like?

http://www.cars101.com/subaru/brz/brz13-fendertrim5.jpg

terrypm 10-19-2012 04:55 PM

It depends on the price and the explanation of the 79 miles on it. Why didn't they call you when it first arrived and had no miles on it since it was very similar to the car you ordered?

zc06_kisstherain 10-19-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by terrypm (Post 508224)
It depends on the price and the explanation of the 79 miles on it. Why didn't they call you when it first arrived and had no miles on it since it was very similar to the car you ordered?

They trade it with STI from different dealer. Of course if they offer same price with options, then i am thinking to take it. My order has no options. But i dont need those option either.

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Turbowned 10-19-2012 05:45 PM

Can't hurt to ask... The auto-dimming mirror is at least $200, the fender trim ~$100, wheel locks ~$65, bumper applique ~$89... I don't think they'll do it personally but give it a shot!

KevinDuMa 10-19-2012 06:37 PM

This pretty much happened to me and they were charging me a little over a grand more and I turned it down because I have might as well stepped up to a limited but I ended up getting a different car entirely. Depends on the price honestly.

Jayde 10-19-2012 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 508306)
They trade it with STI from different dealer. Of course if they offer same price with options, then i am thinking to take it. My order has no options. But i dont need those option either.

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So it seems that they had someone drive the car from the other dealer to this one, and then drive the STI back. Who knows if the guy beat on the car in that time frame, or if that dealer gave out test drives in it. I'd be concerned about how hard the engine was pushed.

Rayme 10-19-2012 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 508088)
I ordered swp premium manual.
Dealer just called me that they received a car that has few options likr chrome fender, auto dimming mirror, wheel lock, rear bumper applique. And car has 79 mileage. Same color.

I am going to dealer tomorrow to check out.
Should i take this car?

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This is a question you should answer. If you like the car and price by all mean take it. It's a brand new car, even if the engine was beaten on you have 5 years to get a new one for FREE. I bought mine with 600 miles, don't overthink ;)

just86 10-19-2012 06:45 PM

chrome fender is a must have for me, looks too plain otherwise

zc06_kisstherain 10-19-2012 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayde (Post 508467)
So it seems that they had someone drive the car from the other dealer to this one, and then drive the STI back. Who knows if the guy beat on the car in that time frame, or if that dealer gave out test drives in it. I'd be concerned about how hard the engine was pushed.

this is the what i concerned most. though second though, it's only 79 miles so Warranty would cover whatever happens.

I will go tomorrow morning to check it out and test drive as well if they let me.
I test drove both FR-S and BRZ but i don't hear damm bad sound from them since i am not very familiar with d/i engine.

I might have to wait until December or next year if i don't take it.

any other opinion or comments?

ftc~brz 10-19-2012 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayde (Post 508467)
So it seems that they had someone drive the car from the other dealer to this one, and then drive the STI back. Who knows if the guy beat on the car in that time frame, or if that dealer gave out test drives in it. I'd be concerned about how hard the engine was pushed.

when I sold cars I would run the DX all the time. I personally never beat the piss out of the cars in the exchange and a lot of times it's a sales person or a little old guy they use for title runs. So if they say milage is from dealer exchange I wouldn't sweat it. But test drive is a different story ;)
but at least you know that one didn't throw a cel in the first 70 miles <~jealous

they will charge you for the extra options so if you don't want em, wait it out for the one you want, (i hate my auto dim mirror I'm short and I fight with it. Should have kept stock 1, flip it and forget about it)

either way GL and enjoy!

jmaryt 10-19-2012 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by terrypm (Post 508224)
It depends on the price and the explanation of the 79 miles on it. Why didn't they call you when it first arrived and had no miles on it since it was very similar to the car you ordered?

it's got 79 miles! how were those miles driven? was the car "beat"?
it could have been "redlined" and high revs in all gears! if it was me,i would
say no! i don't want to buy "damaged" equipment!

jmaryt 10-19-2012 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrypm (Post 508224)
It depends on the price and the explanation of the 79 miles on it. Why didn't they call you when it first arrived and had no miles on it since it was very similar to the car you ordered?

Quote:

Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 508477)
this is the what i concerned most. though second though, it's only 79 miles so Warranty would cover whatever happens.

I will go tomorrow morning to check it out and test drive as well if they let me.
I test drove both FR-S and BRZ but i don't hear damm bad sound from them since i am not very familiar with d/i engine.

I might have to wait until December or next year if i don't take it.

any other opinion or comments?

wait a couple more months! it will be worth it!

sho220 10-19-2012 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jmaryt (Post 508600)
it's got 79 miles! how were those miles driven? was the car "beat"?
it could have been "redlined" and high revs in all gears! if it was me,i would
say no! i don't want to buy "damaged" equipment!

Good points! But it "could" have been "babied" for those 79 miles! Who "knows"! Good "luck" OP!

TurnOne 10-19-2012 09:59 PM

If it was dealer transfer, the miles were almost for sure easy miles. Either way, I would take it, or at least not let the 79 miles bug me. My FR-S had less than 20 and is a lemon now (or soon will be). My BRZ had 60 miles and has ran great so far.

wbradley 10-20-2012 12:04 AM

Firstly...if you are losing sleep over the 70 odd miles on the car then pass. Also, tell the dealer you refuse to pay for the extras and see what happens.

I hope you're not limiting your time you will wait for the right car.

GNS 10-20-2012 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 508477)
this is the what i concerned most. though second though, it's only 79 miles so Warranty would cover whatever happens.

I will go tomorrow morning to check it out and test drive as well if they let me.
I test drove both FR-S and BRZ but i don't hear damm bad sound from them since i am not very familiar with d/i engine.

I might have to wait until December or next year if i don't take it.

any other opinion or comments?

December is literally month and a half away. Next year will be here in two and a half months. I would rather wait for a brand new car with < 10 miles that will cost less and is much, much less likely to have been beat on without your knowledge.

If you get this 79 mile car and pay extra for all the crap they put on it, you'll always be wondering in the back of your mind whether it was run to redline repeatedly during the test drives.

YourFearlessLeader 10-20-2012 01:45 AM

I would wait purely for the fact that financing options is a waste of $$$

jimmillion 10-20-2012 02:09 AM

one thing I would look at is if this is an early production model. look at the VIN and see if it falls under the defective ECU category. other then that, try to find imperfections and talk your way down as much as possible.

sho220 10-20-2012 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 508477)
I might have to wait until December or next year if i don't take it.

I would wait until after December. I mean, why not? It's not like the world is gonna end...:D

Metabrz 10-20-2012 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tommi (Post 508186)

:offtopic: I know but I struggle to see how this can be an 'option'. What do they sting you for this in the US?

Mobius357 10-20-2012 10:01 AM

My car had 97 miles, 'bout 30 was from transport from another dealer. Realistically, it's a sports car, are you never going to rev it up or slide a bit? I think for most of us, those 79 miles will be a drop in the bucket of spirited driving. Don't forget, there's people (like me) who drive carefully test driving cars they're not familiar with.

Also, like you, the car I was offered in lieu of my order had over $900 in options. I asked the salesman if we were still looking at the original quoted price as the options were outside the budget I had planed for. Wasn't charged for them.

zc06_kisstherain 10-20-2012 11:07 AM

I thought about it overnight and I decided to wait. I would like yo have it fresh. Thanks everyone for comments

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Turbowned 10-20-2012 03:51 PM

@Metabrz, about $100USD

Turbowned 10-20-2012 03:56 PM

The mileage wouldn't scare me off at all. As was mentioned before, dealer swaps are typically done by old guys who don't give a crap about the cars, they're just running errands. Even if it was beat on, your warranty starts at the mileage you get it at, you have until 60,079 miles to have it replaced under warran-free if there's any issues. The engine is redlined before it leaves the factory, so stop whinging over the break-in period.

The only real issue is the few hundred bucks in accessories. Is it worth it to spend that money to get the car a couple months early? That's what you have to decide.

wbradley 10-20-2012 05:56 PM

OP- wow you must not be too sold on the car or just lack the excitement or drive if that's all it takes to make you consider not taking the car.

I was excited like crazy when I got mine and 70 miles wouldn't even make me think twice. But that's me, I'm in love with the car and was so excited to get it.
A car that is ruined in 70 normally driven miles...hmmmm.

If everyone reacted with "NO" every time with 70 miles there would be a whole bunch of worthless unsellable product. Some people are so extreme with their idea of perfection I wonder if reality ever gets thru. That is why I feel you should pass and let someone who is foolish and naive fall for that 70 mile beater.

jmaryt 10-20-2012 08:27 PM

as a sales consultant,what you state is ,perhaps, true,however realistically, one just does
NOT know how those miles were driven,and if a person is concerned about any superfluous miles on the car,you should,as a dealer representative, respect his feelings on the matter,regardless of your opinion.i can understand your viewpoint,however you fail to take into consideration the fact that it is HIS money that is being spent (over $25,000.00) irrespective of HOW he is going to make this purchase,ie: bank loan,cash
or "s&h" "green stamps",i am positive this is a considerable sum of money,and as such,
if he desires to wait for a close to "virgin" car,then i say good for him!,because i know it is exactly what i would do for all the right reasons! also,i would like to know if (s.o.a.)
told you personally that they "redline" every car at the factory? just curious,where did you get that information?..at $25,000 dollars a copy,you can bet your ass,i am going to be concerned,
regardless of warranty,or not,especially in light of the fact,it may be the last new car i ever buy!..just sayin'

zc06_kisstherain 10-21-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 509965)
OP- wow you must not be too sold on the car or just lack the excitement or drive if that's all it takes to make you consider not taking the car.

I was excited like crazy when I got mine and 70 miles wouldn't even make me think twice. But that's me, I'm in love with the car and was so excited to get it.
A car that is ruined in 70 normally driven miles...hmmmm.

If everyone reacted with "NO" every time with 70 miles there would be a whole bunch of worthless unsellable product. Some people are so extreme with their idea of perfection I wonder if reality ever gets thru. That is why I feel you should pass and let someone who is foolish and naive fall for that 70 mile beater.

I've been waiting for this car for long time. I just dont want to take any type of risk. that is why i needed to have some opinion from you guys.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmaryt (Post 510139)
as a sales consultant,what you state is ,perhaps, true,however realistically, one just does
NOT know how those miles were driven,and if a person is concerned about any superfluous miles on the car,you should,as a dealer representative, respect his feelings on the matter,regardless of your opinion.i can understand your viewpoint,however you fail to take into consideration the fact that it is HIS money that is being spent (over $25,000.00) irrespective of HOW he is going to make this purchase,ie: bank loan,cash
or "s&h" "green stamps",i am positive this is a considerable sum of money,and as such,
if he desires to wait for a close to "virgin" car,then i say good for him!,because i know it is exactly what i would do for all the right reasons! also,i would like to know if (s.o.a.)
told you personally that they "redline" every car at the factory? just curious,where did you get that information?..at $25,000 dollars a copy,you can bet your ass,i am going to be concerned,
regardless of warranty,or not,especially in light of the fact,it may be the last new car i ever buy!..just sayin'

well described. thanks

Turbowned 10-21-2012 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmaryt (Post 510139)
as a sales consultant,what you state is ,perhaps, true,however realistically, one just does
NOT know how those miles were driven,and if a person is concerned about any superfluous miles on the car,you should,as a dealer representative, respect his feelings on the matter,regardless of your opinion.i can understand your viewpoint,however you fail to take into consideration the fact that it is HIS money that is being spent (over $25,000.00) irrespective of HOW he is going to make this purchase,ie: bank loan,cash
or "s&h" "green stamps",i am positive this is a considerable sum of money,and as such,
if he desires to wait for a close to "virgin" car,then i say good for him!,because i know it is exactly what i would do for all the right reasons! also,i would like to know if (s.o.a.)
told you personally that they "redline" every car at the factory? just curious,where did you get that information?..at $25,000 dollars a copy,you can bet your ass,i am going to be concerned,
regardless of warranty,or not,especially in light of the fact,it may be the last new car i ever buy!..just sayin'

Am I his salesperson? No. Do I have anything personally at stake if he buys that car? No. I am giving my opinion as a car enthusiast, not a salesperson. But from my experience selling cars that cost as much as 4 times what the BRZ costs, no one who bought those cars ever batted an eye if the car had 100, 200, 500 miles on them.

Do a search. Watch the video of the BRZ's rolling off the assembly line, and watch the engines go up to redline on the dyno as a final test before they get shipped off. Do you honestly think I make this up?? I've got better things to do than spread rumors and false information.

Again, to the OP, the clock is ticking. If it's worth the few hundred extra to get the car early, than by all means do it! If you want to wait to spend less and get a car that only 50 human hands have touched (instead of 52), that's fine too. Whatever your decision, I'm sure you'll be satisfied!

jduffy 10-21-2012 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ottopilot (Post 508472)
This is a question you should answer. If you like the car and price by all mean take it. It's a brand new car, even if the engine was beaten on you have 5 years to get a new one for FREE. I bought mine with 600 miles, don't overthink ;)

Agreed, the amount of thought / mental torture people put themselves through with this is crazy!

You like it, get it. You don't like it, don't get it. Don't let someone else make the decision for you.

zc06_kisstherain 10-21-2012 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 510979)
Am I his salesperson? No. Do I have anything personally at stake if he buys that car? No. I am giving my opinion as a car enthusiast, not a salesperson. But from my experience selling cars that cost as much as 4 times what the BRZ costs, no one who bought those cars ever batted an eye if the car had 100, 200, 500 miles on them.

Do a search. Watch the video of the BRZ's rolling off the assembly line, and watch the engines go up to redline on the dyno as a final test before they get shipped off. Do you honestly think I make this up?? I've got better things to do than spread rumors and false information.

Again, to the OP, the clock is ticking. If it's worth the few hundred extra to get the car early, than by all means do it! If you want to wait to spend less and get a car that only 50 human hands have touched (instead of 52), that's fine too. Whatever your decision, I'm sure you'll be satisfied!

I dont think he's criticizing anyone here just giving his opinion as sales consultant. i am willing to wait and that's what i want. those options are unnecessary for me. that's why i didnt include any options when i ordered mine. thanks for input~
Quote:

Originally Posted by jduffy (Post 510991)
Agreed, the amount of thought / mental torture people put themselves through with this is crazy!

You like it, get it. You don't like it, don't get it. Don't let someone else make the decision for you.

of course. i just wanted to know what everyont thinks to on this one as i did. i kind over-reacted to my family but i wanted to have it as 0 mileage.

thanks

dori. 10-21-2012 05:26 PM

the mileage will never actually be 0 unless you drive the car as soon as it leaves the factory in japan

however, I think you should wait. why pay extra for miles you don't know about and accessories you don't want.

this car's going to be around for a while, don't kill yourself over this

Metabrz 10-21-2012 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 509817)
@Metabrz, about $100USD

That is FUBAR.

jimmillion 10-21-2012 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jmaryt (Post 510139)
...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19067

there's the redline from factory proof you asked for. it's in the video near the end of the video.

cheers. :thumbsup:

jmaryt 10-21-2012 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 510979)
Am I his salesperson? No. Do I have anything personally at stake if he buys that car? No. I am giving my opinion as a car enthusiast, not a salesperson. But from my experience selling cars that cost as much as 4 times what the BRZ costs, no one who bought those cars ever batted an eye if the car had 100, 200, 500 miles on them.

Do a search. Watch the video of the BRZ's rolling off the assembly line, and watch the engines go up to redline on the dyno as a final test before they get shipped off. Do you honestly think I make this up?? I've got better things to do than spread rumors and false information.

Again, to the OP, the clock is ticking. If it's worth the few hundred extra to get the car early, than by all means do it! If you want to wait to spend less and get a car that only 50 human hands have touched (instead of 52), that's fine too. Whatever your decision, I'm sure you'll be satisfied!

your opinion is like mine irrelevant it's HIS money,and he's concerned about mileage HE has NOT put on! he has a right to be concerned,and i don't give a f*ck about what others do,if it's MY money in play,the car gets sold to someone else,and i will wait for one with next to no miles on it! i want one right off the truck with 0 hands on it! tough guy! ! whatta think about that! again it's MY my dough,asshat,NOT yours! you think everybody feels that way smart ass? you are "dead nuts" wrong! tell ya what! YOU can buy mine with 72 miles on it! spend YOUR money! ehe! he! he! i see you work at that "rat hole" in braintree!..figures! all you give a f**k about is a sale anyway! screw what's right!

op: take care of your money wait for one with just a few miles on it! you are entitled!
best of luck with that! just sayin' remember! they are NOT gonna stop makin' 'em!
it's like any color ya want as long as it's black! ehe! he! he!

jmaryt 10-21-2012 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 510979)
Am I his salesperson? No. Do I have anything personally at stake if he buys that car? No. I am giving my opinion as a car enthusiast, not a salesperson. But from my experience selling cars that cost as much as 4 times what the BRZ costs, no one who bought those cars ever batted an eye if the car had 100, 200, 500 miles on them.

Do a search. Watch the video of the BRZ's rolling off the assembly line, and watch the engines go up to redline on the dyno as a final test before they get shipped off. Do you honestly think I make this up?? I've got better things to do than spread rumors and false information.

Again, to the OP, the clock is ticking. If it's worth the few hundred extra to get the car early, than by all means do it! If you want to wait to spend less and get a car that only 50 human hands have touched (instead of 52), that's fine too. Whatever your decision, I'm sure you'll be satisfied!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmillion (Post 511595)
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19067

there's the redline from factory proof you asked for. it's in the video near the end of the video.

cheers. :thumbsup:

it think somebody "cooked' the video! won't play!
doesn't matter anyway! ok, even if they run it to redline,it returns almost immediately ,but in 72 miles a engine can be destroyed! it CAN happen if the engine is run hard and constantly over 4000 r.p.m's and this is what we DON'T know!..just sayin'

wbradley 10-21-2012 08:54 PM

Jmaryt- What's the point of these comments? It's like saying, "I am an asshole but I got the money and you don't, so you should bend over backwards for me if I feel like making you do that. Oh, and go fuck yourself, BTW. You'd have to pay me an awful lot (up front) to force myself to deal with that attitude and I've been in sales for about 25 years.
Everything in the previous statement might be correct, but who wants people to think, " What an asshole/irritant that guy is..."

We are all different and have different wants and needs regardless whether others find them rational. Personally I think the OP is a bit extreme, but the only one really affected by it will be him as he will have to go that much longer before he gets the car he wants even though there is one right there that 99% of buyers would probably take. Obviously cars aren't like food or drugs where they are worthless once the seal is opened. A vehicle can run for hundreds of thousands of miles. Thinking the car is "ruined" in 70 miles is a bit detached.
Now, if you would pay me enough extra I would gladly acommodate your neurosis. Also, you would be a major source of stress/frustration for many salespeople. I suppose the guy who "understands" will make the sale. And, get paid months later when the vehicle delivers (hopefully he still works there).

Turbowned 10-21-2012 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmaryt (Post 511644)
your opinion is like mine irrelevant it's HIS money,and he's concerned about mileage HE has NOT put on! he has a right to be concerned,and i don't give a f*ck about what others do,if it's MY money in play,the car gets sold to someone else,and i will wait for one with next to no miles on it! i want one right off the truck with 0 hands on it! tough guy! ! whatta think about that! again it's MY my dough,asshat,NOT yours! you think everybody feels that way smart ass? you are "dead nuts" wrong! tell ya what! YOU can buy mine with 72 miles on it! spend YOUR money! ehe! he! he! i see you work at that "rat hole" in braintree!..figures! all you give a f**k about is a sale anyway! screw what's right!

op: take care of your money wait for one with just a few miles on it! you are entitled!
best of luck with that! just sayin' remember! they are NOT gonna stop makin' 'em!
it's like any color ya want as long as it's black! ehe! he! he!



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