D3PE FRS/BRZ Catch Can System
 

D3PE FRS/BRZ Catch Can System

D3 Performance Engineering has developed a bolt on catch can system for the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ. It solves the problems found with conventional catch can systems on the market:

For Sale Thread:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19445

Series 1 Mounting Location (fits aftermarket intakes as well as the D3PE and Accelerated Performance Turbo Kits)
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Series 2 mounting location ( fits Full Blown, Treadstone, P&L, and AVO turbo kits as well as the HKS and Vortech supercharger systems and stock intakes.
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Q-Why do I need a catch can?
A- All motors have blow by from factory, this is where cylinder charges escape through the piston rings into the crankcase. Without proper evacuation this causes pressure within the motor, even more so on a turbocharged engine. The way the factory system deals with this is to pull the air from the crankcase into the intake stream, which works fine for a factory stock car, but as you upgrade parts on your car to make more horsepower the PCV system needs upgrades as well.

Q- Why is it so critical on a boosted FRS/BRZ?
A- The factory pcv port on the engine block has a check valve in it, meaning when your boosting you will get 0 evacuation from the motor, only on engine vacuum will it work. This causes a huge problem as when you are in boost this is the point where you will have the most blow by or pressure in your engine.

Q- What happens when there is insignificant crankcase ventilation?
A- Common problems associated with this are poor drain back of turbo oil to oil pan (leading cause of returns for "bad" turbos, unpressurized oil has a hard time of going into a pressurized oil pan), blowing dip sticks out, pushing seals out overtime, leaking valve stem seals, loss of power due to parasitic loss caused by pressure on backside of piston and crank, etc.

Q- What makes your catch can system different from others?
A- Most catch cans out there do just that, catch the oil, but what they don't do it separate the engine intake from the pcv system. The air from inside of the engine is already burnt and when this gets pulled back into the intake stream this contaminates the fresh air, making it more knock prone, just like a EGR system.Also even with a can to catch the oil, the air going into the intake stream will still have oil in it, this will coat the inside of your IC pipes or intake on a na application. We vent ours to the atmosphere, leaving your engine sucking nothing but fresh air.

Q- What turbo kits is this compatible with?
A- The Series 1 will fit our Turbo system as well as the Accelerated Performance and FA20club turbo kits. The Series 2 will fit the Full blown, AVO, P&L turbo kits as well as the HKS and Vortech supercharger kit.

Q- Will this fit a NA intake?
A- Yes, the Series 1 will fit with most intakes except the oem as, where the front of the air box bolts down is where this goes, but the Series 2 will work with it.

Q- What is the install time for the unit?
A- 30-40 mins max, 20-30 on a redbull for both series.

Q- Is this product outsourced and made with cheap components?
A- No, every product D3 Performance Engineering makes is designed and hand made in house in Houston Texas, USA. Aluminum is sourced from American mills and the cnc work done locally.

Q- What is the construction of the catch can and what all comes with it?
A- Construction is precision bent from 5052 aluminum, all fittings are 6061 aluminum, all hand tig welded. Kit comes with catch can body, flush mounting countersunk hardware (chrome, black used for prototype in pictures), black AN fittings, Buna-N high temp oil resistant hose (will not swell overtime from oil), cnc aluminum unions, 600 degree high temp plug for intake manifold, and filter.

FT86CLUB.com forum price $299.99 shipped anywhere in the continental US for the Series 1 and Series 2.

So this won't fit the avo Turbo kit as that retains the stock air box?

How much oil does it hold and could this be a limiting factor? Just comparing the size with the cusco can.

Love the write upk. From the angle of the first few pics I was how does the bonet shut lol

what does the inside baffle or trap system look like?

:word: Is this just a box with fittings? How is is drained?

This system holds about 0.75qt.

It has a 3/8 plug drain at the bottom of the unit. We can sell a drain back kit where you weld a -8 bung to your oil pan and have it run to that, you just have to make sure you have room, with the Oem manifold there is no room for this.

We recommend to check the level of the oil in the can every oil change.

The only baffling in the can is at the top to prevent oil slosh into the filter. No other baffling is needed.

This is the same system we run in our street and race cars, from all motor to 1400+whp cars, its tried and true, the only changes you have to make are hose sizing for higher horsepower, around 600hp we recommend to run -10 lines, this requires welding bungs to the top of the valve covers. We can provide the can with -10 bungs on it or even add 2 extra to run a total of 2 lines to each valve cover. This would be best to do if you have the engine out.

As for fitting different turbo setups, we will be releasing our other placement at the end of the week, it will be the same can design but located near the battery. It will work with P&L, Full Blown, Treadstone, AVO, and any other front mounted turbo setups.

Also the hood clears with room, since the engine is so low there is a ton of room above it.

$300 ... lol

Man, I can't wait until the market settles and the hype drops a bit on this car.

Nice piece of work but hilariously expensive. ARC would perhaps charge that.

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Actually if you google search catch cans of this caliber on different cars you'll see this is actually on the cheaper end. If your looking for real cheap maybe something from china would be better for you. Building a quality product that will last requires quality components and fabrication, both of which aren't cheap.

We are getting taxed for sure on certain items, this car is under $30k and some parts are priced like they are for a GTR. I'm not rich by any means but i want quality parts, there are a few companies out there looking out for us middle class folks.

so i guess you are moving it to the battery location to ensure it's not sitting next to the turbo with the current setup.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1349828933

With the new location will that suit us RHD guys?

Yes it sure will.

My friend, being in the industry let me tell you that I could go to work tomorrow and sell myself at retail a handful of wonderfully made, very functional catch cans for around half the price .. some even 1/3rd the price, but not many.

So, agree to disagree. Cheers on making a quality product.

Which two lines are going to this unit? Please post a diagram.

I like the atmospheric vent concept.

Thanks

I've never understood the need for a catch can. I just vent crankcase blow by through a hose pointed at the ground and plug the IM hole.

Now why didn't I think of that? haha, But you would need, or should have, a check valve in place to prevent the crankcase from sucking anything back in... such as road dust, salts, water, etc., etc..

I haven't done it on this car yet, but there's a check valve on most crankcase outlet. Obviously if you're worried about being environmentally friendly you don't do this. You will lose some vacuum on the crankcase but since you're wide open to atmosphere you blow off positive pressure in there fast.

I would run 2 check valves if you are worried about losing vacuum. The one on the block, and one near the end of the hose. But I'd just run my Saikou Michi OCC. Designed right and 1/3 the cost of these new to market OCC's.

Well you will lose vacuum because it's not hooked to the IM anymore... but who cares. Venting to atmo you will blow off positive pressure. I wouldn't want an additional check valve in the way though.

My question with this OCC, It vents to air and sucks in fresh air. Got it. Does it get pressurized from the boost pressure in the intake manifold for a turbo setup? Do you have a valve in there somewhere to prevent this from happening?

The catch can lines hook to the line off the back of the IM and the line that goes to the intake tube. Those then get plugged.

As for pressure in the catch can, there Isint any as the pressure releases from the filter. Also at no time does the crankcase suck in air, the filter is there to prevent any oil residue from coming out of the can. Crankcase ventilation will always be positive.

As for not running a can and dumping on the ground, that's a no no at a track, as no one likes sitting around while the track gets cleaned up from a oil down or while they pull a car off that hit a oil patch. While there Isint a lot of oil passed out in the event of a blown motor you would have a lot of oil release if you say melted a piston or blew a hole through it, which then you could oil down and run over with your rear tires and possibly crash.

If you go to a track day without a proper catch can and they see it they will not let you run.

Great attitude showing how little you care for the safety of everyone else on the road. Next time it's raining have a look at the water beading on the oil slicks at the traffice lights and feel proud for your contribution to the death toll.

For about $180 you can get one of the best catch cans made, stop contributing to the road toll and make your car legal.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/MANN-FILTER-P...item416c3b97a3

Crankcase blow-by is vapor. It is a small amount of unburned fuel and exhaust gasses. It's not going to create or contribute to an oil slick in any significant way. That's why people are asking how these cans are baffled in order to actually separate material out of this vapor. It's more of an atmospheric pollutant and is far less significant than everyone who runs around with a turbo system with catalytic removed. This is, however, why I said "Obviously if you're worried about being environmentally friendly you don't do this."

I do have to say to the vendor that this is a VERY nice looking piece and beautifully made. If I were of a mind to use one, and this one proved to be effective, I'd certainly consider it.

Thanks we appreciate it.

And I would like to add on the info of baffling, the reason most catch cans have it is because if you are not venting to atmosphere like ours you will be having a constant suction from the can to the intake, without a baffle in place you would just suck the oil through the can without it falling to the bottom.

And we have been getting some inquiry's, I will try to answer any questions about our products on here but if you would like to order please pm the OP of the sale thread (Evan@D3PE), he can get you set up as well as answer any questions you might have.

Dave

My catch can stops all the oil from getting through as it's filtered. The oil drains down into a pipe with a tap at the end which I drain on a regular basis. It also has a relief valve in case the filter gets blocked but that hasn't happened after over 40,000km and I should replace the filter at this stage.
The stuff that comes out is dark acidic oil and not very pleasant.
I use a catch can because I don't want this stuff all over the compressor wheel, filling up the intercooler, clogging the inlet manifolds and burning in the cylinders.

I agree that leaving out the cat is a really bad thing to do and stinks for anyone following but I was talking about dropping oil on the road and reducing the braking distance for others wherever you go.

Do you guys expect your Turbo Kit to be released soon?

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Edit: Oops..... its already here. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...highlight=d3pe

I have updated our original post to include our Series 2 catch can which is made to work with Full Blown, P&L, Treadstone, and AVO turbo kits as well as the HKS and Vortech supercharger kits as well as stock intakes. Pricing is the same for both units.

Dave

Dont forget in addition to being 100% functional, it also adds some bling to your engine bay.

Procharger or Vortech? Or do you know something i don't know?

Sorry about that, I meant Vortech or HKS superchargers, I spend a great time with my partner when hes tuning new camaros and vettes and they all run Prochargers lol. Ill edit my post, thanks for catching that for me.

they got a filter on top of it, or at least a spot to put one. I don't see how oil would pass through it. as far as oil drops reducind braking distance at stop lights, if you're that close and still need to drop more than 10 km/h you're not driving properly for sure.

Seen the car up close! welds are badass! and the way the piping is routed with the turbo it's eye catching!

@ANTI_LAG where do the linea for the catch can connect to?

They connect to the existing pcv lines using 2 cnc aluminum unions, the line comes off the back of the IM and connects to the can line as well as the line near the TB that hooks to the intake.

If anyone is interested in the Series 2 catch can, pm me, Im offering one at 50% off in return all I ask is for a honest review on here and some pictures, first pm about it gets the deal. Customer covers shipping.

Promo offer has been awarded!

Damn missed it :bonk:

Yeah it lasted for a whole 30 mins lol

the option 2 mounting locations scares me
venting flammable gasses next to a battery huh...mmm-pass, too risky here in phx under severe duty conditions