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Touge_ninja 10-04-2012 10:33 AM

Legal way to have no front plates
 
So as many of us want to run with no front plates we have the chance to be pulled over because of it. After doing research i ran into this post on ferrari chat and thought that this needed to be posted.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...hp?p=138072078

In that link is a description of how to get outnof having front plates legally. Hope this helps people out.

Dion

rice_classic 10-04-2012 01:25 PM

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So i emailed the state patrol office the other day trying to see if i could get a list of cars exempt from front plates.
And this was their response. This only applies to washington, but oregon may have something along the same lines. maybe.

To: Robert
From: Equipment
September 29, 2008

This message is in response to your e-mail.

Revised Code of Washington (RCW) 46.16.240 states in part, "The vehicle
license number plates shall be attached conspicuously at the front and
rear of each vehicle . . . PROVIDED HOWEVER, that in cases where the
body construction of the vehicle is such that compliance with this
section is impossible, permission to deviate there from may be granted
by the state patrol. . . ."

Every vehicle is required to have a front license plate if it is
possible to affix one to a vehicle. Therefore if there is a license
plate bracket which may be affixed to the vehicle allowing for the font
license plate to be displayed, you will be required to install it on
your vehicle whether or not it requires you to drill holes.


If after researching you cannot find a license plate bracket that will
work for your vehicle, you can apply for a front license plate waiver
for your vehicle. These waivers are looked at on a case by case basis
based on the original manufactured version of the vehicle and its
ability to affix a front license plate. To request a front license
plate waiver please write a letter articulating why you feel you should
be exempt from the law, include a picture of the front of the vehicle
and any additional information you feel would outline your case and send
to:

Washington State Patrol
Equipment & Standards
PO Box 42600
Olympia WA 98504-2600

Once the letter is received our office will research the availability of
license plate brackets for your vehicle, review your case, and send you
a letter with the decision.

Thank you for your inquiry.
Sincerely,
Equipment
Bold and underline is mine.

Our cars come with plate brackets so we're SOL.

Time to put the front plate on.

Touge_ninja 10-04-2012 01:45 PM

It's worth a shot. I'm actually gonna try. What's te worst that could happen? Them saying no.

Chen 10-04-2012 01:51 PM

Fix it ticket probably.

deucethemoose 10-04-2012 01:52 PM

Corvettes have a plate mount spot, but they get a pass.

I work with the former head of the Washington State Patrol training academy. I asked him about the front plate business and he said he handed out exemptions all of the time, and that all you need to do is provide a reasonable excuse as to why you can't put a plate on the front.

rice_classic 10-04-2012 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by deucethemoose (Post 476380)
Corvettes have a plate mount spot, but they get a pass.

I work with the former head of the Washington State Patrol training academy. I asked him about the front plate business and he said he handed out exemptions all of the time, and that all you need to do is provide a reasonable excuse as to why you can't put a plate on the front.

Will you please ask him what is defined as a "reasonable excuse" so I know how to word my request. Thank you.

Touge_ninja 10-04-2012 04:35 PM

I already have an idea on how it should be written will post up when I get my response

Skibum4444 10-05-2012 01:28 PM

I bought this before our car was delivered. I hate the way it looks but its better than drilling holes.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/catalog/pr...roducts_id=218

rice_classic 10-05-2012 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Skibum4444 (Post 478432)
I bought this before our car was delivered. I hate the way it looks but its better than drilling holes.

http://www.grimmspeed.com/catalog/pr...roducts_id=218

Would rather drill holes w/ stock bracket then have that.

Touge_ninja 10-05-2012 02:35 PM

I'd rather stick to my Perrin kit than that. Btw mailed the letter this morning. Now we wait :)

DeepHunta 10-07-2012 12:34 AM

I went with the perrin license plate tow hook. haven't gotten pulled over yet. I think this will be a compromise if no drilling is wanted.

JonnyRocket 10-07-2012 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepHunta (Post 481146)
haven't gotten pulled over yet.

No reason you would get pulled over with this setup. It fulfills the letter of the law.

UPSPORT86 10-23-2012 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Touge_ninja (Post 476687)
I already have an idea on how it should be written will post up when I get my response

Any response yet?

Touge_ninja 10-23-2012 01:09 AM

Denied

QFry 10-23-2012 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Touge_ninja (Post 514501)
Denied

dont feel bad...they denied it for s13's s14's z32's and z33's as well...but thanks for trying. Did they give any reasoning as to why?

Touge_ninja 10-23-2012 02:55 AM

Due to aftermarket support for relocator kits they cannot grant any exempts. And i sued the "it blocks air flow to my radiator and overheats route...."

einzlr 10-23-2012 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepHunta (Post 481146)
I went with the perrin license plate tow hook. haven't gotten pulled over yet. I think this will be a compromise if no drilling is wanted.

A tow hook bracket is a good compromise. No holes in the bumper and you can take it off for meets and photo shoots and so on.

FRSMike 10-25-2012 12:00 PM

So this is my solution to the problem, pretty sure it's still illegal but I've been pulled over twice and the cops didn't do anything... Might be because I'm Mil but you never know.

From JBLM north to Seattle they don't care at least... the only care if you're doing 90 in a 60 :(

Oh yeah it only costed 2$ :) Got suction cups from Walmart and cut around the nub to fit them into the License plate. If you take your time and do it well it won't make any rattle noise, LIKE MINE! :)

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...24601047_n.jpg

xxscaxx 10-25-2012 12:17 PM

Many consider that dangerous, as if you were to get into a car accident it could become a potential lethal flying object. I am actually not even sure if thats legal like you stated lol.

I thought about doing that though. Right now I just have it under my two carpets on the passenger seat. If I get pulled over i'll tell the cop they never drilled my bumper for it and i'm not comfortable doing so.

FRSMike 10-25-2012 12:23 PM

a cell phone can be a potentially lethal flying object too though. Do we need to drill holes in our bumpers and mount our cellphones too? :P (My attitude towards these laws not you)

xxscaxx 10-25-2012 12:31 PM

lol but you have to remember a license plate has pretty sharp edges. Would definitely do more damage than a cell phone. Valid point though.

jstn 10-25-2012 12:32 PM

I'm just not going to do it. It's required in Illinois but I've been driving without one since July sometime and haven't been stopped for it yet. The extra plate is under my seat as an excuse if I get pulled over ("Oh, I have it right here, I'm just waiting on the mounting bracket to ship.").

But yeah, unless I get a fix-it ticket in my hometown where I have to drive every day, it isn't happening.

FRSMike 10-25-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xxscaxx (Post 519642)
lol but you have to remember a license plate has pretty sharp edges. Would definitely do more damage than a cell phone. Valid point though.

lol true true.

Silver86 02-21-2013 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by xxscaxx (Post 519642)
lol but you have to remember a license plate has pretty sharp edges. Would definitely do more damage than a cell phone. Valid point though.

Once someone forgot to lock down their Nokia 3310 before driving.

ONCE.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...leshooting.jpg


Anyway, I'll probably apply for an exemption and then when I'm denied I'll appeal. I really HATE how the front plate looks, no matter how anyone mounts it. I'll just have to trust that I can fool the officer into believing I had it off for a photo shoot.

Neziah 02-21-2013 10:10 AM

Easiest way is to get old, then they cops know your not a tard and leave you alone unless you need pulling over :P

You can pretty much forget the stupid stories, the cops have heard them all, if they are inclined to give you a ticket, they will.

Lverasky 02-21-2013 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jstn (Post 519646)
I'm just not going to do it. It's required in Illinois but I've been driving without one since July sometime and haven't been stopped for it yet. The extra plate is under my seat as an excuse if I get pulled over ("Oh, I have it right here, I'm just waiting on the mounting bracket to ship.").

But yeah, unless I get a fix-it ticket in my hometown where I have to drive every day, it isn't happening.

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anyone got in this situation before?

Silver86 02-21-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Neziah (Post 748579)
Easiest way is to get old, then they cops know your not a tard and leave you alone unless you need pulling over :P

You can pretty much forget the stupid stories, the cops have heard them all, if they are inclined to give you a ticket, they will.


So far I've had a few cops roll by slowly and look the car over but not do anything. I think they just like the car XD.

I live in downtown Seattle so there is a pretty high ratio of civilian cars to police, so that is probably keeping me off their radar.

Otterbrawten 02-22-2013 02:46 AM

I drove my mustang for 10 years all over Washington state and only once did I get pulled over for no plate. (and i lived in Pullman where the cops love pulling you over for stupid shit) The thing about the front plate is that the cop has to first see the front of your car and second just want to hassle you. Most likely your were being suspicious or the cops are just making stops on busy weekends looking for drunks. I was on the way home from camping on memorial day weekend, so the latter is probably true. The car was packed to the gills with camping stuff and the cop just checked my stuff and let me go with a warning. I don't plan on installing my front plate, a fix-it ticket is a cheap fix, and besides the car looks way better without it.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time... And for everyone's sake don't drink and drive - especially without a front plate - great way to end up in cuffs or dead. Kind of like robbing a bank and then getting pulled over later for having a tail light burned out...Darwinism at its best.

Nubbs 02-26-2013 10:45 AM

Well I got popped up in Bellingham a month ago for no front plate - received a traffic infraction for not having required equipment, not a fix-it ticket. Probably didn't help that it was a motorcycle cop. Now I get to drive up there to to go to court and mitigate it to a non-traffic and just pay the fine or less hopefully. Price you pay for not having a front plate on. Think I'm going to try and mount mine to the passenger sun visor so I can just flip it down if needed..

MTCRX 02-26-2013 11:12 AM

So I am just curious about why states are so adamant about front plates. Do they really get used. I would like to hear from a policeman about their usefulness. Driving down a street or highway there is no way they can read your number when passing. The only time I could see it as useful is in slow city traffic at stoplight when no other cars are in the way. So really, what is their purpose? Is it so critical to see that a car actually has plates? Some people put fake plates on anyway, who would know. Seem like a ridiculous bureaucratic thing to me that really serve no meaningful purpose. If someone wants to know if the car is licensed, look at the back. Time for the common man to rise up and fight this unreasonable burden, this injustice! or maybe not.

Imrac 02-26-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MTCRX (Post 758162)
So I am just curious about why states are so adamant about front plates. Do they really get used. I would like to hear from a policeman about their usefulness. Driving down a street or highway there is no way they can read your number when passing. The only time I could see it as useful is in slow city traffic at stoplight when no other cars are in the way. So really, what is their purpose? Is it so critical to see that a car actually has plates? Some people put fake plates on anyway, who would know. Seem like a ridiculous bureaucratic thing to me that really serve no meaningful purpose. If someone wants to know if the car is licensed, look at the back. Time for the common man to rise up and fight this unreasonable burden, this injustice! or maybe not.

Red light cameras and tolling.

deucethemoose 02-27-2013 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nubbs (Post 758108)
Well I got popped up in Bellingham a month ago for no front plate - received a traffic infraction for not having required equipment, not a fix-it ticket. Probably didn't help that it was a motorcycle cop. Now I get to drive up there to to go to court and mitigate it to a non-traffic and just pay the fine or less hopefully. Price you pay for not having a front plate on. Think I'm going to try and mount mine to the passenger sun visor so I can just flip it down if needed..

Read the law one more time before thinking of mounting it to the visor.

(5)(a) Display. License plates must be:

(i) Attached conspicuously at the front and rear of each vehicle if two license plates have been issued;

(ii) Attached to the rear of the vehicle if one license plate has been issued;

(iii) Kept clean and be able to be plainly seen and read at all times; and

(iv) Attached in a horizontal position at a distance of not more than four feet from the ground.

(b) The Washington state patrol may grant exceptions to this subsection if the body construction of the vehicle makes compliance with this section impossible.

Churnobyl 05-13-2014 01:50 PM

Resurrecting this for an update. Anyone have any luck with this? Specifically if they have oil cooler installed? Before some rocket scientist rolls in and fires the "non-legal street mods" I said oil cooler, not turbo. ;)

Zechs21 05-13-2014 01:59 PM

I've have a few friends (GTi, MR2) never had them on and has never gotten pulled over (over 4+ years). I haven't had my plates on for 7 months while passing by too many cops and none of them do anything. Just don't park your car at the side of the street because meter checkers will issue a no plate ticket.

Otterbrawten 05-13-2014 02:06 PM

Yes, downtown Portland parking cop gave me a fix it ticket for the front plate. :(

Lverasky 05-13-2014 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Otterbrawten (Post 1734135)
Yes, downtown Portland parking cop gave me a fix it ticket for the front plate. :(

that is first time i heard for no front plate ticket. sry.

ramiram1984 05-13-2014 03:41 PM

I just let them know I am waiting for bracket, then show them front plate (which I keep on passenger seat)..

Churnobyl 05-13-2014 04:32 PM

Got a fix-it-ticket Sunday. County Sheriff in town of all places. Not my town, the next one over that I frequent. I've started the exemption process (Sure I'll be denied). Just curious if anyone had succeeded with a Twin.


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