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Linseal 07-12-2012 06:19 PM

New 240Z Confirmed for Nissan's 80th Anniversary! [Video]
 
Innnnnnteresting....

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/12/n...aller-lighter/

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Nissan is reportedly hard at work on its next-generation Z. According to Inside Line, designers are already churning away on a concept version of the 2015 Z that may bow at the 2014 Detroit Auto Show. The report notes that Shiro Nakamura, head of design for Nissan, says the new Z will be both smaller and lighter than the current 370Z.

The model will also be geared toward a wider audience, and Nissan may be investigating the possibility of ditching the tried-and-true 3.7-liter VQ V6 for a turbocharged four-cylinder, a move that would almost certainly help fuel efficiency. The current Z is saddled with a lackluster 26 mpg highway, and strong early sales of cars like the Scion FR-S certainly indicate certain buyers are willing to drop a few ponies for a machine that's engaging to drive and at least somewhat fuel efficient.

Blasphemy? Maybe, but the thought of an engaging, lightweight turbo four sports car is the stuff dreams are made of – it's the "wider audience" part of the discussion that has us concerned as enthusiasts. A smaller Z would likely mean abandoning the Z's FM platform which also underpins machines like the Infiniti G Coupe and Sedan as well as the FX softroader. Inside Line says Nissan may turn to its corporate partner Daimler for some help in the chassis department.

Snoopyalien24 07-12-2012 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Linseal (Post 311714)

LOL @ the comments of "MOAR POWER"

These people.... smh

Guff 07-12-2012 07:12 PM

I sure do hope they release it instead as a Silvia...

S2kphile 07-12-2012 07:14 PM

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/23376179.jpg

Exhaust 07-12-2012 07:26 PM

Holy hell, will we finally have a REAL discussion when it comes to discussing the twins & the Z?

shadoquad 07-12-2012 07:26 PM

I'll be very interested to see how this goes down. I love Z's. A lighter Z isn't necessarily a bad thing.

OrbitalEllipses 07-12-2012 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 311845)
I'll be very interested to see how this goes down. I love Z's. A lighter Z isn't necessarily a bad thing.

A lighter Z is EXACTLY what needs to happen. The current one is at least 200-300lbs overweight. They need to move it away from a GT cruiser type car, unless they introduce a new model to take the light sports car spot.

Asterisked Accolade 07-12-2012 08:12 PM

I personally think that with a lighter chassis and possibly a lighter, smaller V6 they could do well with fuel efficiency. Or even a Turbo/Twin-Turbo set up like the 300ZX. But i think the key thing is light-weight. Nissan needs to recognize that.

RRnold 07-12-2012 08:13 PM

Good call Nissan! :happy0180:

BRAWL 07-12-2012 08:17 PM

I still own a 300zx until my 86 arrives and will always have a soft spot for the Z. As long as it looks like it should (think 240Z), then I might even consider trading in my 86 for it!

shadoquad 07-12-2012 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 311941)
A lighter Z is EXACTLY what needs to happen. The current one is at least 200-300lbs overweight. They need to move it away from a GT cruiser type car, unless they introduce a new model to take the light sports car spot.

The current one is a hoot to drive. A lighter version, without sacrificing much on power, would be incredible. Even if they lose power or go to a turbo four, it's still gonna be great fun, especially if they follow the model of the Miata and the twins. :D

Draco-REX 07-12-2012 09:32 PM

We may be standing on the threshold of a sportscar renaissance.

This is exciting.

OrbitalEllipses 07-12-2012 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Draco-REX (Post 312072)
We may be standing on the threshold of a sportscar renaissance.

This is exciting.

If only!

Ichito240 07-12-2012 09:42 PM

I have been waiting for a revival of the Silvia platform and if Nissan can come up with a great design like that of the new 86, then I would pre-order for sure.

Linseal 07-12-2012 10:03 PM

I can't wait to see what they come up with! :D I loved my 280z!

Bonburner 07-12-2012 10:11 PM

super excited now! :D

vaporiz 07-12-2012 10:19 PM

Good to hear! Reducing weight and size, good move by Nissan. Great to see the Z finally returning to it's origins.

Z's weight started to increase substantially from the 300zx, great to know that Nissan is finally trying to reduce it's weight.

Edit: After reading carefully again, they should just make a new Silvia based on these concepts. 4 cylinder is no Z.

Linseal 07-13-2012 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by vaporiz (Post 312157)
Good to hear! Reducing weight and size, good move by Nissan. Great to see the Z finally returning to it's origins.

Z's weight started to increase substantially from the 300zx, great to know that Nissan is finally trying to reduce it's weight.

Edit: After reading carefully again, they should just make a new Silvia based on these concepts. 4 cylinder is no Z.

Yeah I agree. But if it was an I4 turbo z, It would be awesome if it was a 2.4L! Then it would be the rebirth of the 240Z! And that would be awesome!

engee 07-13-2012 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Draco-REX (Post 312072)
We may be standing on the threshold of a sportscar renaissance.

This is exciting.

That would be exciting. It would show the world that cars are actually fun to drive instead of just being econoboxes.

UncleFester 07-13-2012 05:06 PM

It sounds smart, but I'm not sure it is the right move for the "Z."

A smaller, lighter, cheaper, and less powerful car should be a Silvia. Then again in the US it was called a 240zx...

blur 07-13-2012 05:25 PM

Why 4 cyl?

I5 turbo> V6 IMO...

M-17 07-13-2012 05:30 PM

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...th-d4o3c8q.png

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/im...umpUwvtawA87fA

http://i.imgur.com/oqxFe.jpg

pyro530 07-13-2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 311941)
A lighter Z is EXACTLY what needs to happen. The current one is at least 200-300lbs overweight. They need to move it away from a GT cruiser type car, unless they introduce a new model to take the light sports car spot.

^^This.

If this comes to fruition I would be all over this. I would love to have a lightweight RWD turbo 4.
Then again, the Toyobaru might have some form of forced induction by that time.

ichitaka05 07-13-2012 06:23 PM

Do like the idea of lighter Z... but not sure bout 4 cylinder. Fairlady is a 6 cylinder car and they're well known for that... I do under stand the idea of 4 cylinder turbo is better for eco... but not sure if they wanna loose another "trademark" of Fairlady. First they loose the affordable and next was lightweight... now 6 cylinder?

shadoquad 07-13-2012 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 313867)
Do like the idea of lighter Z... but not sure bout 4 cylinder. Fairlady is a 6 cylinder car and they're well known for that... I do under stand the idea of 4 cylinder turbo is better for eco... but not sure if they wanna loose another "trademark" of Fairlady. First they loose the affordable and next was lightweight... now 6 cylinder?

I agree that a 4 cylinder Z/Fairlady would be quite a leap for them, but it might help them get back to affordable and lightweight. But I'd like them to stay with a 6, maybe a smaller and lighter one with FI, and/or bring back the Silvia on a lighter frame with a 4-cyl.

ichitaka05 07-13-2012 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 313875)
I agree that a 4 cylinder Z/Fairlady would be quite a leap for them, but it might help them get back to affordable and lightweight. But I'd like them to stay with a 6, maybe a smaller and lighter one with FI, and/or bring back the Silvia on a lighter frame with a 4-cyl.

They should bring back Silvia... hell, if they still have problem selling it name "Silvia" in state side just sell it as "SX" series again (like 240sx)

SUB-FT86 07-13-2012 07:16 PM

I don't even think the current Z is unaffordable. It starts at 34k with a Sports Pkg. That is around $120.00 more a month than a FRS and like $80-$100 more than a BRZ depending on trim and most people pay under MSRP. If you want a fully loaded model then that's a different story.

SUB-FT86 07-13-2012 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 313894)
They should bring back Silvia... hell, if they still have problem selling it name "Silvia" in state side just sell it as "SX" series again (like 240sx)

Yeah but they need to do something different. We don't need another 2.0L N/A lightweight coupe. We need a 2.5L lightweight(2750-2900lbs) RWD coupe or a 2.0L Turbo one.

StevenEngage 07-13-2012 07:25 PM

I have always been a fan of nissan, 300zx (z32) is one of my dream cars that I will own one day, But i really cant see then pulling the v6 out of the Z platform, maybe lighter and a smaller v6 with a turbo or tt setup. They have been talking about bringing back the sx platform for years and always said that the market wasn't ready for it, if they are talking about turbo 4's I would think it is for a new sx, which would be awesome! even if its a car you hate, be it a honda, nissan, toyota ect ect, the more small performance oriented cars that come out the better because that just means we continue to get better cars by the companies trying to one up each other

StevenEngage 07-13-2012 07:27 PM

even if they did make a turbo 4 sx or tt v6 z again us u.s. residents will more than likely get a garbage version of it......we never get anything good....

ichitaka05 07-13-2012 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 313956)
Yeah but they need to do something different. We don't need another 2.0L N/A lightweight coupe. We need a 2.5L lightweight(2750-2900lbs) RWD coupe or a 2.0L Turbo one.

No, they should get away from going +2.5L and big engines. Maximum size they should go is 2.2L... hell they could make 1.6 turbo pushing 200hp without problem and get decent MPG, so why not do it? 1.6~2.2L I4 pushing 200~265hp curb weight around 2,680~2,850LBS.

If Nissan call me to tell me what car they should make, I'll tell em "first thing they should do is throw out the V-engine and 2. whatever liter engine out of the window and think light... IF they're not making next Z"

Z should keep 6 cylinder, lightweight, & affordable... just like old 240Z was

SUB-FT86 07-13-2012 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 313988)
No, they should get away from going +2.5L and big engines. Maximum size they should go is 2.2L... hell they could make 1.6 turbo pushing 200hp without problem and get decent MPG, so why not do it? 1.6~2.2L I4 pushing 200~265hp curb weight around 2,680~2,850LBS.

If Nissan call me to tell me what car they should make, I'll tell em "first thing they should do is throw out the V-engine and 2. whatever liter engine out of the window and think light... IF they're not making next Z"

Z should keep 6 cylinder, lightweight, & affordable... just like old 240Z was

A 2.2L will be weak on torque. I can understand a 2.2L if the weight is around 22-2300 lbs but at 2800-2900 lbs it is too much weight for the engine. One of the key things Z owners love about daily driving the 3.7L is the fact that it doesn't feel weak below 4-5k rpms. That should never change period.

Linseal 07-13-2012 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 314199)
A 2.2L will be weak on torque. I can understand a 2.2L if the weight is around 22-2300 lbs but at 2800-2900 lbs it is too much weight for the engine. One of the key things Z owners love about daily driving the 3.7L is the fact that it doesn't feel weak below 4-5k rpms. That should never change period.

Maybe something like Toyota's twin turbo 2.5L 1jz, but not made of iron lol. Id love that actually haha...... 250z...

ichitaka05 07-13-2012 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 314199)
A 2.2L will be weak on torque. I can understand a 2.2L if the weight is around 22-2300 lbs but at 2800-2900 lbs it is too much weight for the engine. One of the key things Z owners love about daily driving the 3.7L is the fact that it doesn't feel weak below 4-5k rpms. That should never change period.

Again, I'm not saying next Z should be 1.6~2.2L turbo. I already lost a hope on Z. I don't care if they put GT-R engine there for all I care. They're already wasting a TQ & can't even use in daily life.

I said, they need to bring back new Silvia or SX series w 1.6~2.2 liter turbo RWD lightweight affordable car

Edit: If you think 2.2 liter turbo car don't have any TQ, then you haven't driven real 2.2 liter turbo cars.

JoeBoxer 07-13-2012 11:11 PM

I have owned a couple 240's and was looking for another one as a project until i drove the FR-S. I actually work at a Nissan dealership and could've got a 370z but with the sport package they get a little pricey so i got the FR-S instead. No regrets here but if Nissan comes out with a 240 replacement with the Juke 1.6 Turbo and no CVT trans it will be interesting.

Dimman 07-14-2012 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 313867)
Do like the idea of lighter Z... but not sure bout 4 cylinder. Fairlady is a 6 cylinder car and they're well known for that... I do under stand the idea of 4 cylinder turbo is better for eco... but not sure if they wanna loose another "trademark" of Fairlady. First they loose the affordable and next was lightweight... now 6 cylinder?

Weren't the old Datsun roadster's 'Fairladies'? They were 4 bangers, small and light, too. Only when they added the 'Z' to it they became L6's.

ichitaka05 07-14-2012 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 314517)
Weren't the old Datsun roadster's 'Fairladies'? They were 4 bangers, small and light, too. Only when they added the 'Z' to it they became L6's.

Yes, you're correct. Its like Celica & Supra concept. They first called Datsun Sports. Later down the road, it was called it Fairlady.

FT-86GOD 07-14-2012 01:30 AM

well well well......... http://www.vitamin-ha.com/wp-content...rprise-pug.jpg

A new Silvia would be interesting....... I have fantasized about that many a times........

fatoni 07-14-2012 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 314517)
Weren't the old Datsun roadster's 'Fairladies'? They were 4 bangers, small and light, too. Only when they added the 'Z' to it they became L6's.

yeah but they were also built on truck chassis. guess that doesnt matter but figured it was worth mentioning. bmw had a much more iconic 6 and they dumped that. i just find that the existence of the silvia makes it a little different situation

#87 07-14-2012 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 313953)
I don't even think the current Z is unaffordable. It starts at 34k with a Sports Pkg. That is around $120.00 more a month than a FRS and like $80-$100 more than a BRZ depending on trim and most people pay under MSRP. If you want a fully loaded model then that's a different story.

the 370 is considerably more..


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