Uk - Litchfield Performance Pack 203whp.
 

Maybe not that relevant to most of you guys but in the uk we have this now:

http://www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/g...erformance.asp

Milltek exhaust and an Ecutek remap. I think I need to go and drive it...:drool:

Looks nice what does that equate to in US dollars?
http://www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/i...arge/graph.png

Like $2K, but things always tend to be a little more expensive in the UK so it's hard to do a direct comparison.

Interesting dyno. They made a baseline of 177whp, but only 129 wtq? That seems a little weird to me considering mine baselined 10whp less, but 10wtq more. What type of dyno is this? And I know its UK so im not sure what, if anything is measured differently.

Interesting looking dyno for sure, but the improvement over baseline looks good...25 whp and 18 ft/lbs. torque...exactly what the car needs...

Torque dip is still there. This kit shouldve taken care of that

Well, that is torque at the hp peak. Not peak torque. Also the stock map runs rich up top, not surprising that torque drops off there.

Nobody else's does, why would this one? The only thing which truly gets rid of it is forced induction. Visconti's E85 tune comes close but it doesn't eliminate it completely.

You will never tune it out. It has to do with air flow in the intake manifold. Thats why only on FI applications does it completely go away.

This has got to be on high octane gas right? No way exhaust and tune can make 200whp on 91 or 93...

Different dyno than what we are used to in the US but does seem a little high.

Thos wheels look sweet!

http://www.tsw.com/alloy_wheels_nurburgring.php

found em

:-)


http://www.tsw.com/alloy_wheels_interlagos.php


or these :-)

those are great numbers

Those are definitely TSW Nurburgrings. I know this because I have them :)

Note: I suspect the figures quoted are at flywheel, not rwhp.
It would be very unusual to quote rwhp in the UK.

Conversion.

This begs the question then, why hasn't anyone designed a new intake manifold to remedy the problem?

True, i assumed they were at the wheels numbers as if it was only making 177 at the crank standard then i think i'd be returning mine and asking for the missing 23 horses.

love those numbers

I thought that too for a second, but that can't be. How can it only make 3 hp and lose torque with a tune and full exhaust? Stock engine is rated 200/151.

It's gaining 20+ BHP, but on a baseline of 175/8 BHP - bringing it up to the 'sales/marketing' figure. The few I've seen tested over here have all run about 175-178 BHP at the fly.

I see what your saying now. Thanks:party0030:

I saw somewhere thats its popular in the boxer engine world to remove the throttle body and have a individule flap for each cylinder.

Like the first couple of pictures in this thread.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...highlight=2014

Oh, I'd love ITBs, but that'd be an EXPENSIVE mod XD

If we can fix it using tumblers though, I'd be cool with that, as long as it wasn't TOO expensive, and too big a pain.

It's not popular at all, because it's difficult to tune and make work correctly.

Those aren't ITBs, those are what they call TGVs (Tumble Generator Valves) and they come AFTER the original single TB. They were used on the WRX/STI for emissions reasons, they create an obstruction which swirls the air and creates more complete combustion when the engine is cold/during startup. When performance levels get high enough most WRX/STI owners remove them. The JDM EJ207 engines do not have them.

As for the BHP/WHP debate it would take Litchfield to answer that question. Either way you just have to look at the % gain versus the raw numbers. The stock 1/4 mile trap speeds most magazines and some users on here have run are consistent with it having right around 200hp.

I don't think it's the manifold persay, the manifold has been fine for FI applications. It has to do with the cams, VVTI, etc. The whole package together just can't push enough air through the engine during some of the transitions.

One says manifold, another says cams and timing.

If it were cams and or VVTI, one would think it would be a WHOLE lot easier to eliminate in tuning. That just doesn't seem to be the case though. I mean, I'm not keeping up terribly well with what's being done in tuning, but I don't recall ever seeing a dyno withOUT the torque dip.

Which magazines have a review of this setup?

Anyone with Litchfield's remap around here?

I really want 200WHP with staying NA and this gives me hope.

Same here! Fitting the complete Milltek exhaust (like Litchfield's performance package) soon and I am seriously considering their remap.

I made 200whp on a dynojet. NA. No need to hope. It's been done.

This dyno apparently reads high. Is it a dynapack?

What are your mods?

Have been running the Litchfield tune ( and Milltek exhaust ) for a few weeks and I'm very impressed.

Keeps the character of the engine , but gives more.

Sounds great too; proper cabin noise

Stop gap measure until the supercharger goes on

Mucho track time and a euro road trip coming up , can't wait.

I highly doubt this. What you are saying is they took off the tranny and rest of the drive train and hooked up some sort of dyno while the car was run up on a hoist?

Or pulled out the entire engine so it could run on a bench with the full exhaust system while hooked up to a bench dyno just to get crank horse power numbers?

Since when has the UK ever quoted crank numbers versus wheel numbers? In brochers? Like they do here in North America?

Yes these were all rehitorical questions.

Also since when has this car ever baselined at 170 at the crank??? I'd sue Toyota for false advertisement, and demand a free TRD turbo or all my money back.

No, they used a hub dyno (like a dynapack) to measure the power. Read the other thread in this section about dyno's. It's very informative.

AFE Intake, SRT Exhaust, e85 Visconti Tune.

Or simply apply a correction factor* to account for the tranny loss, you know, like everyone else.

*Around 15% for an FR car, if my memory serves me right.

Yeah, I don't want to go to E85 for various reasons, the main one being that there are only 2 stations that sell it and the closest one is 35 minutes away from me. I want 200WHP on 93.

then wouldn't the baseline be 200HP??