does the scion pan say subaroo?
 

curious if you fr-s folks have a different pan or does yours say Subaru on it?

Mine has subaru everywhere, your new fender vents say subaru too!

pretty sure that 3/4th of the parts on my Scion FRS are stamped or stickered or otherwise labelled as Subaru. People that dont know about the whole Subaru/Toyota project always do a triple take and I lol.

so its really a subaru thru and thru, minus a few badges from scion... I dont see a since toyota part on mine.

^^ if you look real close, there is a toyota sticker on the diff case and MAYBE some form of toyota branding on the transmission/driveshalf

Also, injectors are Toyota, albeit probably not labeled.

or not

you mean Nippon Denso?

the FR-S says subaru everywhere. in the trunk, under the hood, on the brakes etc...

the car is a subaru that toyota paid for

virtually almost every part that says subaru will say subaru on both vehicles, and the same with Toyota. except for specific visual branding like badges, emblems, wheel caps, etc.

TPMS sensors are Toyota.

People need to remember that the twins are manufactured at a Subaru plant, so it only makes sense for Subaru to stamp their name on as many components as they can. But stamps on sheet metal don't change the fact that the project was initiated by Toyota, and in fact it took 6 months of negotiations for Subaru to be willing to co-develop a dedicated RWD platform with Toyota. I think the end product truly reflects a mindful, detailed consideration of what makes a great driver's car. I give more credit to Toyota for taking the initiative with the project, the design, advanced injection technology, and transmission.
But to give one company all the credit would, IMO, simply be misguided.

I find the build quality to be higher than Subaru typically is in my experience, and the new boxer engine is a real gem in my book. I know people talk shit about only having 200 hp, but when the electronic nannies are fully off - the smell of burning rubber and the thrill graceful cornering slides throws all that hp talk right out the window.

Last weekend I went up to Miller Park in Milwaukee to see a buddy and drive a Ferrari F430 (thanks to Gotham Dream Cars offer on Living Social). Just three laps. Just $99. Just 3 straightaways hitting the 8250 redline in 2nd gear @ 85 mph. But I was speechless afterward - a physical and mental high.

When we were done we took my FR-S to an empty lot at Miller Park, turned off the nannies, and slid all over that lot. It was the first time I've had the chance to safely fool around without ANY of the nannies, and my love of this car grew tremendously as a result. It's so much damn fun. I can't wait to autocross it next summer with better wheels and tires.

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Indeed it would, especially considering the "Team 86" design team consisted of engineers/designers from all departments of both Toyota and Subaru:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...hlight=team+86

"By the time full development started, they were very cohesive with everyone, and the team worked in unison to the end to follow the goals and guidelines set in the initial concept focus.
These are the men and women who are called the TEAM 86, chosen to not be either Toyota or Subaru, but a singular entity who were simply at the task of using resources available in either, and crating something closest fitting to the goal of making the FT86 siblings."

Key developers on the "TEAM 86" project:
T. Tada - chief engineer Toyota
F. Ito - Product Planning 86 Project Subaru
A. Takada - Product Planning/Marketing Division, Toyota
T. Furukawa - Exterior Design, Toyota Design Group
K. Kido - Exterior Design/Toyota Creative Studio
T. Noda - Body/Product Management - Subaru
M.Toyama - Group Manager, Design Toyota
Y. Hayashi - Interior Design, Toyota Design Group
H. Kishi - Engine Management Systems R&D 86 Project Subaru
T. Okamoto - New Engine Development - Toyota Advanced Engine Design
M. Otani - Engine Development Toyota
K. Watanabe - Engine Development - Toyota
K. Nakamura - Product Management - Engine Group Toyota
T. Ishikawa - Manual Transmission Development Aisin AI
T. Kaino - Manual Transmission Development
H. Tomomatsu - 6 sp Automatic Development, Toyota
M. Takagi - Advanced Testing Driver - Toyota
Y. Sasaki - Chassis Development
A. Osaka - Chief Driving Test Engineer
H. Kishi - Aftermarket Product Planning Division, Sport Vehicle Management
K. Okino - Aftermarket Product Division, Toyota


Anyone who tries to give more credit to one side vs. the other is sorely misguided indeed.

so since apple outsources their products to be made in china, and it's stamped made in china...it's not a apple product right? i mean it's just the label on the outside that says it's apple, but "underneath the hood" it's a chinese product...according to your logic.

get over it, it's a collaboration between the two companies, toyota outsourced the creation of the new 86 to subaru, thus subaru parts.

i guess you didn't look under the hood to see TOYOTA D4S on the engine.:thanks::laughabove:

no no, not meaning to troll, I appreciate the wisdom thank you-

Indeed designed by toyota I see, but executed by subaru

I didnt realize so much talent from toyota was on the design team- bery cool

^^ oh yeah, its hard to say enough about the men and women assigned to TEAM 86. I had the distinct pleasure of meeting several of them (via the first86 program/contest), and everyone was absolutely thrilled about the platform and this project. To see so much excitement come out of a brand (Toyota) that I typically associate with being boring and stuffy, it was remarkable. Ive got to hand it to both Toyota and Subaru on this car, because they won me over. As a Mazda fanboy for the past decade, prior to the 86 I would have never in a million years considered daily driving ANY Toyota nor ANY Subaru.

that's exactly the negative side to being a fanboy, it narrows your vision. i appreciate the rx-7, the gt-r, the 86, and the impreza sti. they're all great cars created by great companies, i'm just glad that we've got a wonderful choice. I can't wait till the new NSX and Supra are released!

Hehe, I have to say the same. I may have owned several Toyotas in the past, but I have also owned a few Nissans, a few Mazdas, a BMW and an Audi, so my allegiance could have gone anywhere. They have created a brilliant replacement for my MR2 and 240Z, so I can give at least one of them up and have a new, warrantied, (hopefully) trouble-free car that I can spend more time driving than wrenching on! :thumbsup:

FYI, I'm fairly certain the Scion badged wheel caps say subaru on the inside.

Holy shit.

lol prob

toook off those shitty scion badges and put toyota ones on anyway.. thats what it really is..

That's a nice looking car...both of them! Why can't Honda make something that looks even half as good as the FR-S/BRZ? I need a new car soon dammit.

Denso. NipponDenso no longer is called that.

The Scion nose and trunk badges are made by Subaru; they are marked 'Subaru' on the back of them.

Big difference between "designed" and "manufactured".
No doubt this car came from the mind of Toyota.

Toyota is the concept originator. As a matter of fact, it did not start out as a joint project. Toyota was going it alone. However, Mr. Toyoda who is himself a sports car enthusiast was not entirely satisfied with the early FT-86 prototypes. He wanted something that would handle even better and sent the engineers back to the drawing boards. To improve the handling, they had to lower the center of gravity even further and they figured they could do that with a flat engine that sits low to the ground. And guess who the boxer specialist in Japan? So yes, the car is built by Subaru but it's not your typical Subaru and looks like no other Subarus...because it's a Toyota by design.

It was Toyota's idea yes, but equally executed by both companies.

A moderator needs to merge all of these threads.

Oh and this is a scion, it looks to be designed by whoever made that beautiful XA design.

Its a scion, made by scion in portugal

The early FT86 prototype already had a boxer... unless you know something I don't? So which engine did the early prototype you speak of utilize?

the 5 star safety rating shows its Subaru lineage. The better interior UI shows it's Toyota lineage. The car is a better car given that both Toyota and FHI worked on it together.

In Portugal, I was a cardiologist...

According to my dad, a man that works for Toyota and has access to all this information is very adamant about this fact. The people who say that the FR-S/BRZ is a Subaru bought and paid for by Toyota are technically correct. This car does not have a single Toyota made part on it, even the injection system. According to my dad, the injection system and anything else on the car that has Toyota on the car was made by a vendor for Toyota.

It was definitely a joint venture by the two companies, but Toyota contacted Fuji Heavy Industries to build this car for them. So, at least in terms of the build and the parts, this car is purely Subaru. Sorry guys.

Every single FRS/GT86/BRZ is built by Subaru in Gunma, Japan...

It's true that even the Scion wheel caps are subaru made...For the 'Literally' folks out there...We are all driving Subaru Built vehicles. Love it or Hate it...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ0sDiL87eE"][SUBARU] 1 of 2 SUBARU BRZ Development Movie - YouTube[/ame] Part 1
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdZcX7Hawhk&feature=relmfu"][SUBARU] 2 of 2 SUBARU BRZ Development Movie - YouTube[/ame] Part 2

Worth a watch...If you're a Hardcore fan of the ZN/ZC6 Platform

Those mules in the second vid were interesting. Particularly the liberty lookalike.

i can't believe the people that actually think this is a subaru only product just because the car's stamped subaru.

do you people also think the earth is flat because it is as far as your eyes can see? or do you all not comprehend the message that we're saying, which is the truth!

Toyota idea,

Team 86 consisting of toyota and subaru engineers

subaru manufactured!

end of story!