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20valvewynn83 09-13-2012 02:12 AM

Crawford catch can's anyone interested?
 
http://store.crawfordperformance.com/store/products/652

Tim_Asphalt_FRS 09-13-2012 03:00 AM

I am. I live really close to their shop and was thinking of taking a 15 min drive over there to talk to them, but $319 is a lot for that.

XTR Performance 09-13-2012 03:03 AM

We would be more then will to start up a group buy to get these a bit cheaper for everyone!

Let me know if there is any interest.

-Chris

JoeBoxer 09-13-2012 03:03 AM

I think we were posting on the same facebook picture...
so yes i'm interested of course

wootwoot 09-13-2012 03:15 AM

I am down. I was going to buy at the listed price. If you get a group buy I am in. But you gotta move fast!

20valvewynn83 09-13-2012 03:32 AM

ok because they were asking me if i wanted to start a group buy but looks like they do have a dealer on this forum. I will still see how much they will offer me for a group buy.

20valvewynn83 09-13-2012 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 437508)
I think we were posting on the same facebook picture...
so yes i'm interested of course

so your must be the person that said you would be interested in starting a group buy if i wasn't lol

:happy0180:

20valvewynn83 09-13-2012 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiTAN Performance (Post 437507)
We would be more then will to start up a group buy to get these a bit cheaper for everyone!

Let me know if there is any interest.

-Chris

:thanks:

20valvewynn83 09-13-2012 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wootwoot (Post 437522)
I am down. I was going to buy at the listed price. If you get a group buy I am in. But you gotta move fast!

ok i will try to email they tomorrow for more info :w00t:

20valvewynn83 09-13-2012 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim_Asphalt_FRS (Post 437503)
I am. I live really close to their shop and was thinking of taking a 15 min drive over there to talk to them, but $319 is a lot for that.

yeah it pretty big $$$ that's why i wanted to start a group buy. so we can all get a better price.

ozone42 09-13-2012 06:21 AM

That price is absurd. It's worth half that at best.

Grishbok 09-13-2012 07:20 AM

300$ for a catch can is absurd and nothing more than price gouging. I hate seeing this practiced so openly in the aftermarket parts industry. 50$ is what you would expect to see, building your own would cost 10$ with marked up prices from home depot.

For 300$, that catch can had better perform magic tricks and poop white bunnies when you drive.

MSTiFK8R 09-13-2012 07:39 AM

I'm interested if we could drop the price for the Comminity

and I really doubt you can make this on your own

http://pics.shorty.org/files/1611/craw4.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9628/aos1.jpg

Apex Chase 09-13-2012 07:57 AM

Those of you who are griping about the price do not know what you are talking about. This isn't an empty can with fittings like a lot of the crap that is available out there. The Crawford can is on my short list.

Grishbok 09-13-2012 07:58 AM

That's true, your not going to make that design on your own. That design also doesn't warrant a 300$ price tag. It is also true you can make one equally if not more effective than that on your own. You are right though, just because i wouldn't pay 300 for that, doesn't mean you all can't. If you are comfortable paying that much for a catch can, well I suppose you can't put a price on peace of mind. I would highly suggest researching them and making an informed decision though.

ngabdala 09-13-2012 09:07 AM

I vote for the group buy

2forme 09-13-2012 09:28 AM

I don't think this is a catch can.... Doesn't this recirculate the oil back into the motor? Or does this need to be emptied from time to time? If it recirculates, I'm interested, if it needs to be emptied (catch can), then this is priced wayyyyy too high.

Spartan65 09-13-2012 10:28 AM

It keeps the oil away from the motor, regardless if if needs to be emptied or not it is race proven air oil separator.

celica73 09-13-2012 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2forme (Post 437785)
I don't think this is a catch can.... Doesn't this recirculate the oil back into the motor? Or does this need to be emptied from time to time? If it recirculates, I'm interested, if it needs to be emptied (catch can), then this is priced wayyyyy too high.

If it needs to recirculate, then you need to fix the motor. How much blow by do you expect with a new engine?

xxscaxx 09-13-2012 10:32 AM

I definitely am down for a GB.

VSGTS14 09-13-2012 10:33 AM

it's NOT a catch can. catch cans simply catch what was going through the lines, and you have to empty them, most of the time, hiding the fact there could be a problem with the motor.

this is an air/oil separator, which does a different job. you're paying for 300 worth of engineering and saving your motor.

Neziah 09-13-2012 10:35 AM

It is not just a simple catch can, it is an air oil separator.

Quote:

The Crawford Air/Oil Separator effectively removes the oil from the air coming out of the engine’s ventilation system via a two stage process:

- The first step in the process is a large volumetric swirl pot. The function of the swirl pot is to use centrifugal force to remove the oil from the air. The air is then passed through a second chamber (see second step below), and extracted through the top of the AOS. Gravity then sends the remaining oil down the walls of the swirl pot and collects in the bottom of the AOS. At this point the separated oil sitting on the bottom of the AOS is returned to a baffled chamber in the center of the engine block.

- The second step involves a second chamber located within the first chamber. As the separated air moves up inside the AOS, it must enter the second chamber before it can vent out the top of the AOS. The function of the secondary chamber is to remove any residual oil that may have made its way up the swirl pot. The secondary chamber also has a drain to return any separated oil back to the engine.

The newest version of the air oil separator features a coolant line pass system, which helps eliminated milky residue when driven in cold climates or short trips. Making this ideal for any street going car, or full blown race car!

20valvewynn83 09-13-2012 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2forme (Post 437785)
I don't think this is a catch can.... Doesn't this recirculate the oil back into the motor? Or does this need to be emptied from time to time? If it recirculates, I'm interested, if it needs to be emptied (catch can), then this is priced wayyyyy too high.

Yes it returns the oil to the engine and guides the vapor (gas) to the combustion chamber. Still called a catch can because it catches the oil and separates gas and oil but this one returns the oil draining it to the engine.

xxscaxx 09-13-2012 10:57 AM

no its an air oil separator...

ATL BRZ 09-13-2012 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim_Asphalt_FRS (Post 437503)
I am. I live really close to their shop and was thinking of taking a 15 min drive over there to talk to them, but $319 is a lot for that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozone42 (Post 437668)
That price is absurd. It's worth half that at best.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grishbok (Post 437701)
300$ for a catch can is absurd and nothing more than price gouging. I hate seeing this practiced so openly in the aftermarket parts industry. 50$ is what you would expect to see, building your own would cost 10$ with marked up prices from home depot.

For 300$, that catch can had better perform magic tricks and poop white bunnies when you drive.

http://amzn.com/B004K9BIY4

http://i.imgur.com/B0BlC.png

Should be just as effective as the Crawford one for less than half the price. I ordered one last night.

Easy install too. Here are pics on a BRZ.


http://www.moroso.com/catalog/images/85474_insert.jpg

VSGTS14 09-13-2012 11:10 AM

moroso also makes a great unit.

Neziah 09-13-2012 11:38 AM

I think the major difference between those two is that the Crawford is temperature controlled by running your coolant through it and the Moroso is not. I recall reading they do that to prevent condensation forming on the inside and mixing with the oil or something along those lines. But I can not find that article >< I just read it a few days ago also. Seems like that would be more of a problem for a daily driver than a race car.

Maybe someone with better Google powers can find that article.

xxscaxx 09-13-2012 11:49 AM

That is the V2 of their AOS. Crawford stated in the Catch Can thread that since the BRZ does not have a hood scoop the coolant lines shouldn't be needed for this application as they should have no issues with freezing.

Crawford 09-13-2012 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 437923)
http://amzn.com/B004K9BIY4

http://i.imgur.com/B0BlC.png

Should be just as effective as the Crawford one for less than half the price. I ordered one last night.

Easy install too. Here are pics on a BRZ.


http://www.moroso.com/catalog/images/85474_insert.jpg

Not sure why you are comparing our AOS to a catch can as they are two different components with two different functions. Plus this catch can only has half the necessary ports needed on a BRZ/FRS?

Team Crawford

ATL BRZ 09-13-2012 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford Performance (Post 438040)
Not sure why you are comparing our AOS to a catch can as they are two different components with two different functions. Plus this catch can only has half the necessary ports needed on a BRZ/FRS?

Team Crawford

You're not reinventing the wheel here, guys. The Moroso unit is an AOS!! Only difference is that yours drains the oil back into the pan, which I personally don't care for and I don't personally feel that it warrants the price. Check the installed pictures again. What additional ports are needed?

From Moroso's website.
Quote:

Plumbed into a vehicle''s PCV system to capture the excess crankcase vapors, residual oil mist and moisture from reentering the intake tract
• Vehicles from the factory vent these excess crankcase vapors, residual oil mist and moisture right back into the intake manifold which could cause detonation, oil deposits to form in the intake tract including the valves themselves and from lowering the efficiency of the intercooler in intercooler equipped vehicles
• Increases engine performance from cleaner intake air
• Air-Oil Separators have billet aluminum bodies with internal baffling and mesh media
• Includes heavy duty brass inlet and outlet fittings, Fuel/Emission/PCV Vapor hose, stainless steel mounting bracket and billet aluminum mounting clamp for the body of the separator
It includes everything necessary to do the job well. Oil vapors go in, they separate via the baffle and mesh media, air comes out and back into the intake. It's that simple. Mounting the Moroso to the strut brace gives you really easy access to the drain, too.

Crawford 09-13-2012 12:08 PM

Speaking of wheels... I am sure your BRZ has different wheels on it that ours does, it's ok to have different opinions and desires :)

Team Crawford

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 438049)
You're not reinventing the wheel here, guys. The Moroso unit is an AOS, not a catch can. Only difference is that yours drains the oil back into the pan, which I personally don't care for and I don't personally feel warrants the price. Check the installed pictures again. What additional ports are needed?

From Moroso's website.


It includes everything necessary to do the job well. Oil vapors go in, they separate via the baffle and mesh media, air comes out and back into the intake. It's that simple. Mounting the Moroso to the strut brace gives you really easy access to the drain, too.


2forme 09-13-2012 12:08 PM

I'd like to see some hi-res installation pictures if possible :)

VSGTS14 09-13-2012 12:13 PM

the moroso does not have the chambers like crawford's does. its a one stage setup and a bit more simple. yea it works...but yea it doesn't do as much.

ATL BRZ 09-13-2012 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford Performance (Post 438066)
Speaking of wheels... I am sure your BRZ has different wheels on it that ours does, it's ok to have different opinions and desires :)

Team Crawford

I'm glad you're embracing the publicity of this forum and the opinions that are freely expressed on it. Now let's try to avoid spreading misinformation about your competing product's functionality as Air Oil Separators :)

Crawford 09-13-2012 12:13 PM

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater

Fail! Lol....

Neziah 09-13-2012 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford Performance (Post 438040)
Not sure why you are comparing our AOS to a catch can as they are two different components with two different functions. Plus this catch can only has half the necessary ports needed on a BRZ/FRS?

Team Crawford

Thanks for jumping in, I was hoping for some straight up information.
:burnrubber:

whataboutbob 09-13-2012 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 20valvewynn83 (Post 437441)

Yes. I'm in.

djdnz 09-13-2012 12:32 PM

Too much $ for my blood. If the GB knocked $150 off I'd THINK about it.

ATL BRZ 09-13-2012 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford Performance (Post 438078)

http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces...ackie-chan.png

One could just as easily call your AOS a "catch can" with an oil drain back to the pan. They both do the exact same thing! One you turn a valve and drain every few thousand miles, the other drains itself! I don't care how many chambers there are or what kind of paint and stickers are on it, your original claim was that the two products had two different functions. FAIL! LOL!

My personal experience with them tells me that I do NOT want this stuff going back into my oil pan:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...CCdrainage.jpg

JoeBoxer 09-13-2012 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 438114)
http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces...ackie-chan.png

One could just as easily call your AOS a "catch can" with an oil drain back to the pan. They both do the exact same thing! One you turn a valve and drain every few thousand miles, the other drains itself! I don't care how many chambers there are or what kind of paint and stickers are on it.

My personal experience with them tells me that I do NOT want this stuff going back into my oil pan:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...CCdrainage.jpg

This thread is for people that are interested in it, since you are not why are you posting?


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