New rumor: 1.6-liter turbocharged engine one year after initial introduction
 

BC has published an article with the latest scoop on the FT-86 / BRZ. According to a summary that I was provided with, Toyota is planning to fit an 1.6-liter turbocharged engine one year after the initial introduction of the model. Now, what seems rather strange to me is the fact that BC claims that the turbocharged engine will be fitted in the G's / STi versions, while the "normal" versions will be powered by the naturally aspired 2.0-liter engine.


In any case, the article also mentions that the new turbo engine will be fitted in the new Subaru Impreza WRX STi as well, producing 270ps. BC also claims that the differences between the FT-86 and the BRZ (or whatever the official name will be) will be on the front and rear ends.

This is interesting news, but speculative at most IMO. At the moment, Toyota South Africa is planning to launch an Auris TRD with a 1.6 Supercharged engine! It will be at the Johannesburg International Motor Show in October. Sources from inside claim that this is a standard 1.6 1ZR-FAE motor (97kw/160Nm) with just a supercharged kit from TRD bolted on, but perhaps there is more to the story...............:bow:

I certainly do hope that Toyota/Subaru launches a new 1.6T engine - will hopefully be as monstorous as the old 4AGZE SC motors that were then turbocharged:happy0180:

I know about the new STI with the 1.6T (WRC spec!), but I wouldn't have thought Toyota would put it in the FT86. I sincerely hope they do!

What I don't want is to buy an NA version, only for a turbo version to come out a year later. That would suck big time.

Any chance of a translated version of that article?

Hmmm. This makes me think again about buying it the first year :(

since I´m totally fine with a 2.0 N/A they can bring whatever they want afterwards :D If it has tits or turbo(s) it will only give you problems.

O..o yes please on sedan version :-D lol always been a fan of rwd sedan and lower insurance price

i'll take the 1.6L T:sigh:

A mid cycle turbo refresh a couple of years after initial launch could be doable to keep interest up until the next generation arrives. But tossing on a turbo a year after launch? That would gut their initial sales since people would simply wait a year to get the turbo model. Once more, I am skeptical since both Toyota and Subaru have claimed that they plan on keeping it NA and these japanese mags are notorious at spreading unsubstantiated rumors.

On another note that WRX/STI render looks nice.

quite honestly, a 1.6L turbo is either going to be mild, with little to no lag, or wild, with shit-tons of lag... both of which i have no interest in. make no mistake 1.6L is not enough displacement to spool a "nice" sized turbo for the street. heck 2.0L is barely enough. this isnt WRC. 1.6L isnt going to get you too far in a production car with a warranty...

im going NA no matter what. hopefully TRD will offer a SC kit with an eaton tvs blower :D

^I've got my fingers crossed for the TRD FI option as well.

You all know that this is probably just rumormill right? Sedan, Turbo, really? Who told them this?

Considering the new engine is probably going to be DI, I don't think your fears are founded. For less displacement they would just use a smaller turbine. And EJ207 anyone?

What's the matter? It's still going to be turbo and more power than N/A in a light weight package :bonk:. Plus this could help Subaru meet MPG rules in the US.

:bellyroll: Probably would sell better too! :\

I agree as well that this is still a rumorville but definitely an even better reason to possible wait a couple years after the release.

Maybe the 1.6T ties into this...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1698

i haven't read the article cuz the text is too small so i don't know for sure, but there is no speculation there of a sedan version. the 4 door and 5 door pics you see are renderings of future wrx's. the article is comparing the wrx to the subaru brz and talking about how they are gonna differentiate the 2 models. either way, i wouldn't believe BC. they should just rename the magazine BS.

for EU 1.6 turbo is perfect!

I think I'll stick with the 2.0L, wouldn't the 1.6 feel like the Nissan juke? It would be more appropriate for a baby ft-86 if that was what the article was getting at.

what if it was a 1.6L Flat-6 Turbocharge..would you people change your mind?

a low displacement, high performance flat-6 would be fucking wild!

I don't ever think the question was "will" they come out with a turbo version. The question has always been; what markets will it appear in? Skeptical for U.S.

DI is better, but it doesnt defy the laws of physics. 1.6L is too little for a performance car.

maybe with the impending CAFE laws, etc. our standards for performance are slowly going south...

lawl, link for Physics defying.
http://www.crzforum.com/forum/afterm...dly-crz-5.html

wild but useless on the street. i want torque and i want it across the rev range. 1.6L is not going to give me that.

there are so many fuel saving strategies you can potentially use. i think going with less displacement is a cop out. now dont get me wrong. replacing a crappy V6 with a fine turbo 4 is a good thing. but turning a fine 2.0L into a 1.6L??? :thumbdown:

Twin scroll :thumbsup: direct injected 1.6L Boxer.

that's not physics defying at all. it makes everything up top. i dunno bout you, but having to rev to 10k to feel anything isnt what i'd call "streetable"...

What's torque? :bellyroll:

And you didn't even look at the dyno chart...
Here it is.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/DSC05194.jpg
Crappy pic of it though.

^Can't see the tq numbers

Me neither, the actual number has a crinkle on it. But 464WHP at 7313RPM is 333ft-lbs soo...

again, not streetable. what's the torque at 1500 to 3000 rpm?

we can wax poetic all we want about 1.5L 1000hp F1 motors as well, but it's all useless for a street car.

I guess here torque is a "legitimate" concern since turbo motors do not make constant torque. But you can't say that about an N/A, they have nearly constant torque like I said a million times.

Can you send me a larger picture or attach a larger picture? Or... the issue number. Lol I'll go out and get it or someone on here could translate.

Lawl!

Not too small. Nissan was planning to use a 1.6T in the S16. Honda's B16A/B's are animals with a turbo strapped on them. WRC is 1.6T. Formula one going to 1.6L next season.

How much more performance do you want? :bellyroll:

I hope Scion/Toyota looks at these forums.

I would hate to buy an ft86 when it comes out only to have a turbo version come out a year later. Im ready to get the best model on release!!!

Turbos. The replacement for cubic displacement. :happyanim:

270hp turbo 1.6l FT86? sign me up.

Saw this car in person at Autoclub Speedway during S2K Challenge. There was some Honda event that day as well. I don't think it went out on the track (at least I didn't see it go out), and I was there the whole day. It just sat there looking pretty for people to check out the nutrition facts and take pictures.

:confused0068: Imagine the Rev-Range of that puppy!

You own a 2.0l turbo sedan with 3,500+ lbs of weight. What is wrong with a 2700+ lb coupe with a 1.6l turbo? That's 800 lbs less.

again... WRC and F1 have NOTHING in common with streetcars... yes some of the tech can be trickled down but most of it is simply not practical on a street driven production car. WRC has anti-lag. no production car on earth would ever come with that system and have a warranty. the 80's F1 cars had a 12000 rpm redline. you think a production car is gonna have 12000 rpm redline?

slapping a turbo on a 1.6L engine cures NOTHING. you either have no lag and make moderate power or you have tons of lag and make crazy power. in the middle you have a compromise that doesnt spool fast enough, and doesnt make enough power. it's lose-lose.

and for clarification we're strictly talking about a car like the WRX/STi here. if you want to talk about something like the next gen miata or a 2200 lbs sportscar then yes a 1.6L turbo would rock. otherwise 1.6L is just too small...

what's "wrong" with it is the shape of the torque curve. it's either going to peak early and fall off rather rapidly, or it's going to be nonexistent and then shoot up exponentially. both scenarios are not to my liking.

instead, my ideal engine would be a supercharged 2.0L. with the correct engine geometry paired with the newer highly efficient blowers, the power and tq of such a motor would be the happy medium.

its about the SHAPE of the curve, not the peak numbers. its about the area under the curve. its about the real world rpm range, while still having plenty of revs for track days and auto-x. its about torque where you can actually use it on the street. its about how it feels to drive, not the dyno numbers.

+1

I definitely give those guys two thumbs up for the CRZ project, but when it comes to daily drivers 2.0L already has quite the hill to climb. Why give yourself an even larger handicap in a car they have every intention of trying to get more power out of? It's like asking a starting quarterback int he NFL to chop off the thumb on his throwing hand, unnecessary handicap.

If I'm looking for economy then definitely give me a 1.6L or smaller, but in a performance car 2.0 is the smallest I'm going. ***

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*** Unless it's a rotary. :thumbup: