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steeloyangster 09-11-2012 08:22 PM

Now that the FRS/BRZ is out, what other models would you like revived?
 
Now I know what you're thinking... "THE FRS/BRZ IS NOT A REVIVAL OF THE AE86!" No matter how much anyone tries to tell me that, I won't believe it. I know it doesn't carry the same name or styling, but to me, it's still the modern day revival of that car. Toyota hasn't made a lightweight "sporty" RWD in many many years. But this is that car.

Anyways, now that the AE86 has been revived and is getting critically great reviews by consumers/journalist, what models do you think should be revived with other manufacturer's thinking about hopping into the marketplace with something sporty, what would you like to see?? (From any make/model..... No El Camino trolls need apply!)

ex. <MAKE><MODEL> - <Features You'd Like To See>
For my own personal list I'd like to see new version of:
Nissan Silvia - RWD, Turbo 2.4 coupe with at least 240HP (Is it too late just to hope for a 240Z?)
Toyota Celica Alltrac/GT-FOUR - Turbo AWD at least 200HP
Toyota MR2 - Obviously MR drivetrain with with at least 180HP
Toyota Supra - FR with at least 350HP costing *little voice* less than 50k?
WRX Sport Coupe - Keep the same internals currently, but with a body redesign with coupe offering.
Acura/Honda Integra - 260HP 9000RPM VTEC!

bestwheelbase 09-11-2012 10:10 PM

I would like to see Jaguar come out with something smaller, lighter... with a straight-six and a forward-hinged bonnet.

86_ZN6 09-11-2012 10:12 PM

silvia

sho220 09-11-2012 10:33 PM

Gremlin...

midenginebias 09-11-2012 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase (Post 435034)
I would like to see Jaguar come out with something smaller, lighter... with a straight-six and a forward-hinged bonnet.

You mean the F-type that's coming out?

Gen 09-11-2012 11:02 PM

A new S2000 with >300 hp.

xrs 09-11-2012 11:49 PM

Plymouth Laser AWD Turbo!!!

Asterisked Accolade 09-11-2012 11:50 PM

Mitsubishi 3000GT
Dodge Stealth AWD
240SX
MR2
Dodge Daytona
Toyota Celica [Preferably now RWD]
Acura Integra
NSX
Supra

ST185RC 09-12-2012 12:47 AM

Revive the 3S-GTE with a lighter alloy for bottom end (hopefully as strong as cast iron) higher flowing head, higher flowing exhaust manifold to get rid of uneven burning and a real ball-berring twin-scroll turbo. Don't care what car it goes into (hopefully not fwd).

ST185RC 09-12-2012 12:52 AM

Also I want a revised second generation S2000 (no, not ap1 and ap2, but an entirely different redesign) with 11,000 RPM redline and real hardtop no convertible, no sunroof.

Oh, one can only dream...

midenginebias 09-12-2012 01:14 AM

NSX is being built. Hybrid awd.

Supra is being built. Hybrid.

Silvia is being built.

Jaguar F-type is being built.

Dream: v6 2nd gen Toyota Mr2 w 6 speed and a new rear subframe with double wishbone suspension for predictable oversteer.

Dream: Yaris Turbo AWD similar to the 1997 Corolla rally car.

WingsofWar 09-12-2012 01:54 AM

Mazda Cosmo (2door 3rotor family coupe)
Toyota Cressida (small 4door rwd with plenty of power)

serialk11r 09-12-2012 02:08 AM

MR2 Spyder, 8000+rpm and Miata matching curb weight or less. Don't care about horsepower, can always bolt on an S/C. Preferably hardtop, but I'm starting to become a believer in this soft top business...

S2000, but I agree with ST185RC, softtop is silly.

Silvia would be cool, FRS needs a competitor.

Wolfking 09-12-2012 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by serialk11r (Post 435476)
MR2 Spyder, 8000+rpm and Miata matching curb weight or less. Don't care about horsepower, can always bolt on an S/C. Preferably hardtop, but I'm starting to become a believer in this soft top business...

S2000, but I agree with ST185RC, softtop is silly.

Silvia would be cool, FRS needs a competitor.


I'm still awaiting my S16!

gwascopter 09-12-2012 03:02 AM

didnt someone already make a topic about this? if so do something about this one

Shagaliscious 09-12-2012 06:36 AM

Honda Prelude, they just need to make it RWD.

Dadhawk 09-12-2012 01:35 PM

Top two:

MR2 (Updated MK1 or MK2 coupe, don't want a ragtop)
Nissan MID4 (Hmmm, maybe this is AWD BRZ)

and then in no particular order...

Ford Thunderbird (in its original updated form)
Downsized Camaro and bring back the Trans Am even if Pontiac is gone!
Lincoln Continental Town Car without the ugly grill they use now
Plymouth SuperBird!
mid 70's sized Honda Civic Wagon
Honda Prelude

Yes, I'm all over the auto road map.

steeloyangster 09-12-2012 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrs (Post 435231)
Plymouth Laser AWD Turbo!!!

Wouldn't that just be the eclipse GSX? I could imagine Dodge doing an AWD Turbo Dart and be like "IT'S THE NEW LASER!"

Quote:

Originally Posted by ST185RC (Post 435336)
Revive the 3S-GTE with a lighter alloy for bottom end (hopefully as strong as cast iron) higher flowing head, higher flowing exhaust manifold to get rid of uneven burning and a real ball-berring twin-scroll turbo. Don't care what car it goes into (hopefully not fwd).

I miss the 3s-GTE sooooo bad. I would love for Toyota to modernize that motor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by midenginebias (Post 435394)
NSX is being built. Hybrid awd.

Supra is being built. Hybrid.

Silvia is being built.

Jaguar F-type is being built.

Dream: v6 2nd gen Toyota Mr2 w 6 speed and a new rear subframe with double wishbone suspension for predictable oversteer.

Dream: Yaris Turbo AWD similar to the 1997 Corolla rally car.

I thought the Silvia thing from Nissan was just a cock-tease concept. I haven't heard anything about them moving further than that with it. I know the 'JUKE' is supposed to be coming out to compete with the FR-S in the sport compact market but considering it's FWD it's not the same category for real enthusiasts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious (Post 435669)
Honda Prelude, they just need to make it RWD.

If the Honda Prelude comes out again I wouldn't mind it being a FWD. It'd be nice if it was RWD but Honda has always been mostly FWD's. I would honestly just love to see what kind of motor Honda would put in a 'Flagship Sports Compact' for their lineup. The Prelude was plenty impressive enough as it was back in the day, for me anyway. If they updated it, I think I'd like to see a 8000RPM+ 2.4L motor. Hopefully generating 260+ HP. But then again the Mazdaspeed 3 did that much power and you just got torque steer all damn day.

quik1987 09-12-2012 06:14 PM

Nissan Silvia

a RWD Integra or Hardtop S2000

empower-auto 09-12-2012 06:19 PM

Mitsubishi needs to come up with a new Evo soon. Dropping it makes me sad

Mitsubishi also could try to give the GTO a revival. Though a FWD / AWD Eclipse in the old DSM image would be a welcome contender to the Subaru Impreza / Legacy GT

Nissan Silvia is a no-brainer. It needs to happen. The Z car should get upgraded and also go up in price. It needs to be an engineering marvel like the Z32 was.

Toyota Supra would be a welcome return but it should and will be more than 50k. Expect minimum 400hp.

Honda COULD make another S car. The S2000 could make a return around the 28-30k range and re-thought. It's really tough to make that call for Honda. They rightfully won't cop out like Toyota and offer the car in AT to get more sales out of it.

Honda's other option is to give the CR-Z a better return in the image of the CRX SiR or to make the Civic SiR a hair smaller / lighter / better. They don't have a current "hot" car available on our market.

Honda could also consider the Integra once again and make it full a sports category around 24-27k and in a light chassis with a high revving 2.0 variant of the current K series. It's a pricey motor to build so that's up in the air.

TylerLieberman 09-12-2012 08:21 PM

Nissan S chasis needs to come back.
Mazda RX7 needs to come back.
Toyota Chaser needs to come back AND BE SOLD IN THE DAMN STATES THIS TIME

Honestly, those are the only three cars I would like to see brought back.

Though another Impreza coupe would be pretty sick. It's a damn shame cars keep getting bigger and less appealing. It would be awesome if they went back to some of the roots and kept the weight and size down. The new impreza's are just horrible.

serialk11r 09-12-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by empower-auto (Post 436755)
Honda's other option is to give the CR-Z a better return in the image of the CRX SiR or to make the Civic SiR a hair smaller / lighter / better. They don't have a current "hot" car available on our market.

Honda could also consider the Integra once again and make it full a sports category around 24-27k and in a light chassis with a high revving 2.0 variant of the current K series. It's a pricey motor to build so that's up in the air.

Only problem is a new Honda performance motor will have to be, well, completely new. Everything they have in their lineup right now is kinda useless for a "hardcore" sports car. Somehow, I don't see a new motor happening, but Honda out of all companies should have a pretty easy time doing a high rev small displacement engine if they really wanted.

L15/R18: SOHC, which is kinda hopeless for high specific power.
K24: DOHC, but integrated exhaust manifolds and 99mm stroke aren't so great.

An interesting low cost idea they could try is an MR CR-Z. Just flip the FWD transaxle around and stick it in the back. I'd actually be down to buy that, even if it's got a sad engine.

ill86 09-12-2012 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steeloyangster (Post 434825)
Toyota Celica Alltrac/GT-FOUR - Turbo AWD at least 200HP
Toyota MR2 - Obviously MR drivetrain with with at least 180HP
Toyota Supra - FR with at least 350HP costing *little voice* less than 50k?

+1
I have owned several gt-four/all-trac. Still have a couple.
And the mr2 is one of my all time favorites.

empower-auto 09-12-2012 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by serialk11r (Post 437081)
Only problem is a new Honda performance motor will have to be, well, completely new. Everything they have in their lineup right now is kinda useless for a "hardcore" sports car. Somehow, I don't see a new motor happening, but Honda out of all companies should have a pretty easy time doing a high rev small displacement engine if they really wanted.

L15/R18: SOHC, which is kinda hopeless for high specific power.
K24: DOHC, but integrated exhaust manifolds and 99mm stroke aren't so great.

An interesting low cost idea they could try is an MR CR-Z. Just flip the FWD transaxle around and stick it in the back. I'd actually be down to buy that, even if it's got a sad engine.

Honda isn't going to bastardize a car like that. If anything a car like that would end up as a new Kei car in Japan only.

serialk11r 09-12-2012 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by empower-auto (Post 437153)
Honda isn't going to bastardize a car like that. If anything a car like that would end up as a new Kei car in Japan only.

Yea I know :( Just a pipe dream.

midenginebias 09-13-2012 02:27 AM

It would make sense for another Toyota/Subaru collaboration for a Celica AllTrac/FWD version. I wonder how much stake Toyota has over Fuji industries.

All the heros of yesterdecade, the Supra, NSX, etc. All bastardized by hybrid power and potential AWD setups.

It's worse to think that the 1st generation Honda Insight is a closer resemblance to a CRX-HF than the CR-Z itself.

Honda could have a hint of revival basically recreating that 1st gen Insight with lithium ion power and higher output out of a 1.0 or 1.3 engine.

Wes B. 09-13-2012 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase (Post 435034)
I would like to see Jaguar come out with something smaller, lighter... with a straight-six and a forward-hinged bonnet.

A mini XJS would be kinda cool.

bestwheelbase 09-13-2012 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 437815)
A mini XJS would be kinda cool.

Exactly. It could help their fleet averages for fuel eco and capture less expensive price point while still maintaining the basics of their brand - style, finish, sporting nature. Just without all the super luxury doo-dads.

Steve35 09-13-2012 02:35 PM

BMW 2002, the current line up from BMW is overweight and over priced.


Steve

diirk 09-13-2012 02:44 PM

An updated Mazda 323GTX would be cool, and I think competitive in WRC.
A modern 6.6L Pontiac Trans Am would be awesome.
Updated 65 Lincoln Continental with suicide doors.
VW Rabbit Diesel truck
VW Fox Wagon-2 door.
A real CRX, not a friggen hybrid like the CRZ unless they kick it in the ass.
Any type of diesel hybrid full-size truck.
I love the BMW Hydrogen dual fuel vehicles.

Guff 09-13-2012 03:15 PM

The upcoming 2 Door WRX could be collabed with Toyota and also be released as the GT4/AllTrac...

That would be so sweet.

Wes B. 09-13-2012 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase (Post 438472)
Exactly. It could help their fleet averages for fuel eco and capture less expensive price point while still maintaining the basics of their brand - style, finish, sporting nature. Just without all the super luxury doo-dads.

It could also be a great platform for a FR car sporting Ford's Ecoboost 35.

BMW also needs to revive the E36 M3.


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