Toyota sold out
 

Toyota sold out. Honda never did this. Ever. It's the CARDINAL SIN of car manufacturers.

Putting a slushbox in a sportscar.

I understand, yeah, it's a good auto and that "it feels like DSG" stuff, but it's still a damn auto. DSGs are also auto – any transmission that can shift gears for you is still an automatic transmission. I don't have anything against automatics; I think they're a godsend for parents with smaller children, but here's why I despise them in a sports car: Automatics open up the car to a bunch of people that NEVER will use it to its full capability. Period. The majority of men and women who buy 2 door coupés buy them for looks, not practicality, nor performance. Most enthusiasts will see that just because a car is a coupé, it does not have to have sporting intentions. I see so many Civic coupés on the road (non-Si, of course) that have automatics. But for every 30 coupés I see, I only see ONE with an Si badge on the back. What is this proof of? That most people buying a coupé or convertible just want the look of a sports car, and none of the performance. If it's automatic, all the better.

How does this relate to Toyota selling out? Well, based on the statistics, Toyota simply added a slushbox to the GT86 to get more sales. That is a definite sellout. Honda understood that sports cars are meant to have manual transmissions. Period. None of this DCT nonsense. Nearly no one purchasing a DCT will EVER use it to its full potential. What percent of people track their cars? 4-5%, perhaps? Even then, a skilled MT driver can still beat the crap out of an inexperienced DCT driver on the track. Hell, a skilled MT driver can beat a skilled DCT driver if he tries hard enough.

These are sports cars. Not race cars. Remove the auto. The S2000 never came with a slushbox. Neither did the Si, nor the ITR. Keep it pure and manual. These cars are marketed as a "pure driving experience". Keep the promise. Please.

Supras came in Automatic.

funny, so on the premise you have made, the gtr and the veyron are not considered sports cars. Oh wait, neither is a trans am, a corvette, camaro, mustang, or 90% of other sports cars developed today. You have to remember, an auto is going to allow others that cannot drive a manual, for various reasons, the ability to enjoy sports cars alike.

Again, another sellout. It was just to get more customers. It's not like Supras were amazing track cars either... They were drag monsters and dyno queens. Doesn't mean they weren't legends, Supras are amazing, but I don't think most owners tracked their cars...

Look its a cheap little economy car what did you expect?

You are an angry little man.

Um, what's the point of this thread? Nobody is holding a gun to your head making you buy an AT. You want a MT, then buy the MT. Toyota being able to sell more of these cars keeps the price lower for all of us. At least Toyota took the time to make (by almost all accounts) a pretty good AT for this car.

I know I'm being a bit unreasonable, but think about it: the GT-R and Corvette are expensive cars meant to set track records. That's about it. Not a lot of driving experience is required to drive those cars with auto, and they aren't pure driving experiences like the twins. These cars are supposed to engage you in driving. An auto box just takes away from that.

And all the cars you listed are definitely sports cars, just not the automatic versions.

People that would prefer an automatic shouldn't have to be forced to drive MT. Go read Moto-P's post about the Automatic. It's not your average automatic transmission. It's responsive, and quick. It's built with the pure driving experience in mind, and delivers shifts just like a manual (when in proper sport mode).

MT vs AT is a preference. One is not "better than the other" and boils down one's own personal choice in how they'd choose to drive their car.

so the gtr is a sellout too then right?

This makes absolutely no sense. The vette delivers the ultimate driving experience. Have you ever driven a new vette? They are amazing machines

Sold out? I think it was a smart business move to increase sales and keep the higher ups at Toyota happy. Win-win situation IMO. I can careless if people have the same car as me but with an automatic

It was aimed more towards the GT-R. I see women driving Vette convertible autos all the time. Are they going to use the performance potential of the Corvette? No. Is the enthusiast community happy? No. Is GM happy? Oh yes, because they got their $$$.

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WOW. Got your panties in a bunch huh? I'm curious to know how you would handle a real problem/crisis.

Let me make it easy for you. If you don't want an automatic, don't buy one. There, problem solved. :)

Lack of sales = Poor sales numbers
Poor sales numbers = Car gets canned from production

Besides, anyone who wants the "pure driving experience" would opt for the standard over the auto. Many FR-S and BRZ will never see a track or throw the rear out for a drift. In a society driven by economics, it's only smart for a manufacturer to get the most appeal out of their product.

NSX was available as an auto.

Look, I understand that the trans is great. But do you think the non-enthusiast community buying this car will honestly ever turn off VSC and traction control or ever kick it into sport mode? No.

Saying the Supra was also a sellout AND having your screen name "SupraLove" seems a tad ironic.


The consensus is that you're a retard. Have a good day and try not to eat any more scented markers. :bonk:

Oh hey the RX-7 was also sold in auto.

I tracked my wifes FR-S last weekend and was really impressed with the auto transmission and had a blast.

I'm pretty sure Toyota is a company and they are here to make money. Are you buying an Automatic? If not, why do you care? You're not driving it and nobody is forcing it down your throat.

And selling out? You're crazy. Would you buy it if Toyota offered it ONLY in two tone bright pink and purple? There's a thing called choice. Deciding between auto and manual is a choice. Do you like choice? It doesn't seem so.

F1 cars are paddleshift automatics and take insane skill to drive, so because they arent manual they aren't true sports cars?? I've seen plenty of people with mt cars that never do burnouts or take it to top speed. Unless you're tuning to race all the time, no one will be topping out on a regular basis. Your argument is irrelevant.

There is this car called the NSX that Honda/Acura sold. Some say it's sporty but I dont care. I think Honda was a sell out because they had the option of an automatic. It destroyed my image of them forever!!!11!

honestly dude. my girlfriend loves driving my MT and she'll get on it hard! so seriously your whole thread is pointless.

Geo Metros came in manual.... because racecar??

Every time my girlfriend drives the car she turns all of the safety systems off and throws the back end around beautifully....just sayin:iono:

And she drove and AT at the dealership (she is considering buying one) and she had all the systems off on it too. and whipped it around like crazy and pissed the sales guy off. So your whole thread is even more void....

:dnftt:Troll gonna troll while he drives an auto camry?

The point of auto sales is to sell cars. You aren't making much sense.

If a mfr sees a market that needs tapped they are going to tap it. Plain and simple. They aren't "seeling out". But the cars are definately sold out as described in your own signature.

But then that makes her a part of the enthusiast community...

GUYS! You're MISSING THE POINT!

He's saying the FR-S' and GT-86s are SELLING OUT ALL AROUND THE WORLD! They are one of the top selling vehicles out there and very difficult to get.

English must not be his first language.

Obvious troll, look at what he drives. Btw so all other exotics dOnt fall into that category then since 99% of them are automatics/tiptronics? I think it's time to get your head out of your ass and move to the 21st century. Plus look at all race cars now, all of them are using automatic sequential transmissions.

Besides, look at his Camary... BECAUSE RACECAR!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ELxgG4y22s...00/0012_ot.jpg

Ha! you beat me to that while I was grabbing a photo link.

You can't buy a new Ferrari or McLaren that is a true manual...this car still offers a true manual. Just saying, it's not the end of the world. Be mad that it isn't a true duel clutch, but don't get mad that it's an automatic.

OOHHHH Can I play too?

Porsche 911 considered the one of the best sports cars has an automatic
Porsche Cayman has an auto

Ferrari went full auto with their lineup and they're considered the pinnacle of sports cars.

Anymore guys? Lets throw it up for automatic sport cars. :party0030::threadjacked:

If I had known the FR-S was going to offer an automatic I'd have gotten an '07 Camry!

Btw not all dual clutch cars are good :) Lamborghini aventador > ***rarri 458 jus saying lol

your comment was. "I see women driving Vette convertible autos all the time. Are they going to use the performance potential of the Corvette? No."

You were in that statement saying that ALL women you see driving are not going to use their vehicles to their max potential. That comment was A.sexist and B. Incorrect.

Have you ever thought some people just enjoy having an Auto because maybe JUST MAYBE they sit in traffic a lot in their commute each day and having an AT is just easier and less annoying to driving in bumper to bumper traffic? I love my MT and would never trade it for an AT and have never owned an AT of my own however there are for sure moments in traffic where i wish i could throw it in an Auto mode and just let the car work for me.

There are for sure girls that really know how to drive and drive hard. Watch your mouth because some of those women are here on this forum.

When he said Supras were no good on the track, I nearly lost it.


I know, I know, don't feed the troll, but I just wanna say, take a stock, BPU, BPU+, or even APU Supra on a track and you will eat your words if you thought the only place for a Supra was a dyno.


The only place for a Supra with a 88mm turbo is a dyno. Or a stretch of straight road.


Got that out of my system! Continue trolling!


PS. OP's statement is pretty dumb.

I say we just ignore the idiot and leave him to play with himself.