FR-S to be priced at $22k and coming in Spring of 2012?
 

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Scion future products: City car, sports coupe part of new direction

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/201...49_610x405.jpg

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110815/CARNEWS/110819934#ixzz1V8hrZ42E

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...TheCarTechblog

Sounds good, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Yiiipie!!! More speculation! :happyanim::happyanim::happyanim:

cant wait until december with all this speculation like its spoken word thats been going on

I sure hope so tho

$22K..... Amen

I think this has been posted already, but it's not like there's anything else to talk about so let's go with it. $22k base price is a bit more than I was expecting... I was hoping for around 20 base, 23k nicely equipped. I guess if it has lots of standard features 22k would be fine.

I don't think $22k is all that bad. Wasn't the S2000's base price like $31k?

so everybody pays $22k exact since its a scion?

Good.

That's cheaper than the GTI and Genesis Coupe

Wow. If Scion markets this thing properly, then *knocks on wood* we'll be seeing this thing around a LOT and selling like hotcakes, which is always GREAT because i want this thing to stick around for a long time, and evolve alla 911. Dont fix what's not broken right? :thumbsup:

I wouldn't be too concerned with seeing the car too often.

I've seen 2 GIRLs drive the Genesis 2.0T. I have yet seen a guy.

Ever so often I'll see a GTI. But still, I see more 350z or Infinity G.

I even see more Mini Cooper than either GTI or Genesis Coupe.

So there is something to consider. S2000 and Evo is some what rare on the streets and I hope the FRS will have that status

it all depends on where you live. The Genesis coupes are becoming more common around here, to where I see them with about the same frequency as the Z's. I see S2000 almost daily. Porches more frequently than just about any other import sports car. Evo's are still kinda rare, seems like most people around here sprung for the STi instead.

WTF? Do female drivers somehow count differently?

at least there some links to this speculation was starting to get sick of people and them title on topic that say something they speculate or made up with no backing at all. annoys the f out of me. Why can't guys drive a 2.0T genesis? is the v6 that more desirable? and IN my area it's civic Si and WRX or sti all over

There is a lot of guys driving 2.0T GC.

super stoked... about the news hopeflly this is accurate... i can only hope that trd has some decent parts for this thing.... trd turbo kit :) or even cams and itb :) now im just dreaming

man you are a tight fisted bastard. I'll be over the moon if this thing comes in at $22k

If that price tag turns out to be accurate, I'll be ok with it.

I've yet to see a Genesis Coupe around my area. Bunch of Z's and Lancers around though.

It's all subies where I'm at. And $22 sounds awesome. High enough to keep parents from buying for their 16yo kids, but low enough the car enthusiast can afford it (since we're all broke anyway lol)

ok so i was like, damn that's awfully specific with the length and wheelbase... maybe these dudes got inside info? then i checked, and its the same length and wheelbase as the FR-S concept...

conclusion? yet more bs speculation that you should take with a chunk of salt...

$22k sounds about right. I know it isn't 100% confirmed until next spring but it sounds inline with what I was expecting.

tchsss :bellyroll:

must.....reserve one.......gaaaaaaah

:word:

How so? Please explain?


If the sticker price is 22K, I'm definitely ok with that! With enough jawing and not adding any options, I'm going to assume, tax/license/doc fees will be around $22,7xx OTD.

Based on Scion's build process, majority of the additional options are pointless anyways since I'm going aftermarket.

I see that you guys dont know about the 2013 GC huh? Lets just wait and see then. The GC will have 270hp/270tq with a curb weight of 3290 lbs base. If the FT is 2700 lbs for example it will need 210hp/195-200tq to keep up. And I also laugh at you guys who say the GC is only about power and nothing else. If you hate its weight then fine but I have driven cars much heavier than mines and I love them way more than my car. Low weight doesn't always equal fun and Honda taught me that.

But your Honda was FWD!?! You can't really compare the GC and FT to be honest.

You're missing the point. Low weight isn't the definition of fun all the time. Me, I like a balance of everything.

GC is too big. It competes with the Mustang, not the FRS. I really think it's apples to oranges. And 270/270 is still less than the V6 Mustang, not that I would buy either of them. People who want a big heavy muscle car are going to go all out and get the V8. Why put a tiny engine in a huge car, it doesn't make sense to me.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...7&d=1255486918

Why, because weight is the be all end all characteristic that determines car comparisons? I guess they should've never compared RX-7s to Supras with thier 600# difference. Or Supras to 3000GT VR4s with 450#s separating them.

I reeeeeally wish you were right, but nothing Hyundai has said supports your theory. "Modest gains for the 2.0T" doesn't mean 60hp, when they consider a 25hp jump with the v6 to be a large gain. The 2.0T is going to pickup maybe a couple HP, but I think it will lose some weight.

Have you seen one magazine comparison between those two? I haven't. The 2.0T isn't target'ed at the v6 Mustang. If you're so concerned with comparing apples to apples, then compare the v6 to the v6. 333hp v6 GC > 305hp v6 Mustang.

The 2.0t is the tuner car, what about that is so hard to comprehend? Look at the aftermarket support for both GCs. The GC v6 is for people like my uncle who want to buy a car that has a little pep from the factory with little to no interest in aftermarket support. Buying a turbocharged car is like buying a computer processor with an unlocked modifier. You spend a little more than the car is probably worth just for the ability to turn the dial.

Also, why don't we wait until final production specs before we talk about how huge or heavy the GC is compared to the FR-S?

The 25 hp gain to the 3.8 was actually 43 hp. They applied D/I to the 290 hp 3.8. The coupe has different intake/exhaust/tuning to give it a 16 hp difference. I guarantee Hyundai wont give the coupe 333 hp. It will be closer to the Nismo Z in power I bet.

OMG please let it be accurate!!!! AS with anything revolving around this car though...all speculation. I am hoping TRD provides enough during release and if not, just getting a base (basic, no entertainment system, or power anything) model then upgrade the hell out of it with aftermarket...! DONE

You keep bringing up the old 290hp v6. Why? They're not talking about the 290hp version of the 3.8. They're talking about taking the current Gen/GC v6 from 306hp to 333hp. They also go on to say they only expect modest gains for the 2.0t in comparison to the 27hp gain with the v6.

If the 2.0t picked up 67hp compared to the v6 gaining 27hp, that is not modest by any sense of the word.

The 2011 Genesis sedan had the 290 hp engine. Look it up if you don't believe me. It is a 43 hp difference.

ok, so wish car would you rather own? a 2011 subaru impreza 2.5 N/A or a 2011 WRX.... BUT WHY? the WRX weights so much more!

my point is that weight isn't everything there is to a sport car, you also need power if you realy want to have fun. so the GC 2.0t weights (3,380 lb) and the 2013 model is going to have at least 240hp/250tq with the dirrect injection (more if you retune the cpu). but if the FR-S weights in at 2,700 and has 200hp/180tq then maybe just maybe it can compeate. but to come here and say that the Scion is going to faster or better and that GC are for girls is just, just.... well you! :word:

Dude, I know it did. Who is arguing anything about the Genesis Sedan's v6?

Come back to present day. We're talking about the current Genesis Coupe's v6 which has 306hp and the 2012 v6 with 333hp. Not the entire Lambda engine evolution. They didn't go from 290 to 333 in one model year, they went from 290 to 306(where we are right now). The next leap forward in power is 306 to 333. Why do you keep bringing up the 290 Genesis Sedan engine?

Not necessarily. The Miata doesn't even make 200hp and is a hoot to drive.

This picture should get the point across.

If not maybe the curb weight of the Gencoupe should give you an idea of what we are talking about. 3300lbs!

Who is our forum car overlay wizard? I'm curious what the third gen RX7 would look like over the FRS concept. Can anyone do that for me? <3

Its easier to take a light car and knock some power into and turn it into a beast, than it is to take a heavier one and do the same.
The FR-S is going to be great out of the box and amazing in the hands of peps with tuning abillity because for each HP squeezed out the gain is amplified by the low weight.
The GC is enormous and for some of us that isn't our taste when it comes to fun to drive. a smaller car generally has a lower center of gravity and is more fun in the corners. The GC in the overlay is WAY above the FR-S.
It depends on what personal preferences are. The GC might be a tad quicker on a drag run but its weight will do it no good compared to a car 500 lbs lighter that hugs the ground.

I honestly think you don't get it. THE GENESIS SEDAN NEVER HAD 306 hp in America!!!! It was only the coupe that had more horsepower because the intake and exhaust didn't need to be as restrictive in a sports coupe. They basically bottlenecked the sedan's engine a little so it could be less noisy and more quiet. If they apply the same science to the GDI V6 it will not come with 333 hp. And I know they will because it's a sports coupe and not a Lexus LS/GS fighter.

And one more thing the 333 hp engine is in the sedan so we are arguing about it.

+1
Actually weight has everything to do with a sports car! ;)

They compared them b/c they were the halo cars. The GC should be compared to the 370, Camaro, Mustang etc.

Just like Spacewilly's pic shows, the FT is a sport compact and is essentially in a class of it's own; RWD/liftback. That's not to say the some of the FWD compacts and if the new Miata comes out will try and test it.