FT-86 II debuts in Japan
 

http://jonsibal.com/blog/2011/08/ft-...buts-in-japan/


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Nice find, heres a vid:

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http://jonsibal.com/2011/ft86II_27.jpg

^ gotta love the MK II's but.

But what?:)

The MKII looks better and better each time

Too bad the taillights/headlights wont look as aggressive

I love the MK II to be honest, and is there any vids of the Drift king talking? at the event.

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please translate if you can...

No idea about translation, but I read he talked about to engines and referred to one as being boxer but didn't mention the other...

LMAO I love Keiichi Tsuchiya!!! He's so funny

WHY?!?!?! WHY THEY STOP RECORDING IN MID OF THE TALK!?!?!?! IT WAS GETTING INTERESTING!!!!!!

Give me lil bit to translate it... unless if someone else translate it

Some highlights of the vid translated:
- Wants to have the AE86 event as a yearly, global event.

- Tada-san says details, approx. price point will be revealed at Tokyo Motor Show.

- Tada-san says swapping in a regular (non-Boxer) engine is "relatively easy," Dori-dori jokingly retorts "isn't it bad to say that?"

-Tsuchiya says he thinks most would want to buy an FT86 in addition to owning a AE86, not replace the AE86. He spent about $30k on his AE86 (he has two)

- When asked about the final name of the car, Tada says the name "depends on the country it's produced." He says FT86 is actually the 86th chassis model, so the number fits in that respect.

- Asked about the weight, and how cars have to be heavier than the days of AE86, Tada-san says it's very light, and "much lighter" than the Toyota Altezza (which is 1340kg or 2954 lbs). Has airbags.

- Tsuchiya says he'd want to swap out all fenders and panels with CF.

Think it's interesting that Tsuchiya is talking about this car, since he has such close ties with Honda.

I hope much lighter means 250-350 lbs less!!!!!

I looove the MK II. I'd buy it the way it is there.

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Man, I feel like I'm official translator for this site. LMAO

K, here's a quick translation.... Again, it's gonna be Engrish translation & not an English translation. If you have problem that? :bellyroll:

MC: We found out that Tada-san was going to come to this event
TK: Wanted to tease Tada-san
TT: Oh to tease me?
MC: Everyone tease Tada-san
TK: Every year, we will have 86 festival
TT: Yes, yes
TK: I wanna make this festival, new & old 86 will line up cross the horizon
TT: From next year, I can answer any question that isn't even in catalog, so think of some question you want to ask
TK: On March right?
TT: E.....?
TK: You can answer all the question on March right?
TT: No on March, but this year's Tokyo Motor Show I can prob maybe answer some of the questions
TK: Oh~
TT: At the TMS show the official spec and the somewhat estimated price tag...
MC: So most of the question can be answer at there.
TK: Before Tada-san, we (everyone) decided
MC: Yes, we have decided
TT: What? Already decided?
TK: Motorsport base have nothing on it. Just like when AE86 came out GT-V model. 1,998,000yen (give or take $19.9k doing 100yen = $1).
TT: LOL
TK: Doesn't come with anything
MC: Does would be nice
TK: wheels are steelies
TT: Okay with steelies?
TK: Yes
TT: Oh yeah, you don't need seats anyways
TK: Yes
TT: Oh~ ic
TK: From there, options come and go all the way up to 3,000,000yen ($30k)
TT: Oh~ ic!
TK: Everyone have decided on this
MC: Yes, everyone have decided
TK: We thought, you were having hard time deciding, so everyone decided on this
TT: hm... 1,998,000yen....
TK: Yes nothing on, no hood, no fenders
TT: So only engine?
TK: You see all these tuning shop cars? All these shops gonna swap the engine out to some Toyota engine
TT: Ah~ lol
TK: All these shop never done boxer engine tuning before, so
TT: LOL
TK: They will swap em to Toyota engine
TT: (The boxer engine) is easier than you think
TK: Really easy?
MC: Easy?
TK: You can spill that info right now?
TT: Well... that's I heard...
MC: LOL
MC: Well, we want to hear all the FT86 info much as we can... within the limits
MC: As of right now, who's interested in buying this FT86, raise your hands
MC: As of right now, we have this many, but by the end of the talk show, Tada-san have to convince all of them
TT: Ah~
TK: But I don't think they will sell their 86 (AE86)
MC: True
TK: Keep the old 86 and then buy new 86
TT: Ah ic, that's a good idea
TK: I highly doubt they will sell it. Same with me
MC: Tsuchiya-san, you going to buy this car?
TK: When I changed to Honda, I got scolded so many times telling me "Why you have 2 AE86?"
Everyone LOL
TK: That's not your business
MC: Yes, that's true
TK: I bought it with my own money
MC: Need to know the enemy right?
TK: Not enemy or anything. I just love 86
MC: So true
TK: I bought it for 250,000yen ($2.5k) and spent 3,000,000yen on it ($30k)
MC: Really?
TK: You think that I'm stupid?
TT: LOL
TK: There's a ton of stupid here
everyone lol
(MC was loud & couldn't hear what he said)
TT: True, all amazing cars are lined up
TK: I told this tuning shop don't need to come, but came anyways
TK: Isn't this fun 86 festival?
MC: Anyways, Tsuchiya-san please don't stop talking all the suddenly
TK: True, yes
MC: One question I asked Tada-san one year ago interest me, "FT86 is a code name and it's not the actual name"
TT: ?
MC: That's what you said
TT: Ah~ yes, I did
MC: So the name have been decided?
TT: This car's name?
MC: Yes
TT: This car's name.... Depends on different country, name have been decided.
MC: As for Japan?
TT: Still deciding...
TK: Cannot be "FT86"?
TT: Name "FT" have different myth for it, like "Fujiwara Tofu-ten". Originally "FT" is giving to all the Toyota concept cars.
MC: Oh Future Toyota
TT: So Future Toytoa something something
TT: Main goal/concept for this car was like AE86, wanted this car to be loved by everyone.
TT: All Toyota model have something something A and B, like 20A. Didn't want to wait for 86th, so went with 086A and started engineering this project
TK: Just keep it as is
MC: True, keep it 86 have great memories so
TK: Name it 862
TT: Hm... true
MC: Everyone think so too right?
TK: If they change the name, I won't buy this car
TT: Eh?! No good?
TK: If it's not 86 then there's no reason for me to buy it
MC: But I don't think there's no car that have been so focus in media as much as this car haven't release yet
TT: True and I'm grateful for it
MC: There's no other car like this, so more and more expectation raise up
TT: I have worked on different cars before, but no car came this close as getting feedback from everyone "No this is not it", "No those aren't it" and so forth on it
MC: That that expectation how it will do on release date
TT: True, sometimes there's a car that release and it was disappointing
TK: Just like we were talking before
TT: LOL
MC: What's that talk?
TK: We were talking backstage
TK: All those car that shows in TMS, but when actual release, it's a disappointment
MC: Ah~
TK: We were saying we don't like those cars
TT: When it's in concept it looks cool, but when it's actual released it look ugly
TK: It's always the case
TT: We hear it a lot
TT: Those things make me sick, so this time around surprise them
MC: When it's released it's still cool...
TK: Make it cool and release it cool
MC: Make it more cool
TK: Yes!
TT: Oh so cooler than the concept
MC: My first impression, looking at it, from front fenders, side skirts, to rear fender, I don't see any cut like. Is it going to sell like this?
TT: Of course, there will be separations
MC: If it's not, it'll make bodyshop cry
MC: How the interior gonna be looking like?
TT: Interior? Oh this one cannot see it
TK: Oh that one, we've already decided
TT: Decided?
TK: Cheapest one (1,998,000yen ver) don't have anything on it
MC: Nothing on it
TT: Nothing on it?
MC: There will be steering wheel right?
TK: Steering wheel gonna be really cheap one
MC: Audioless
TK: No Audio
TK: & no AC
TT: Eh?
TK: Make it all option setup
TT: Ah~ I hear "rear seats are hard to install, so make it option to have rear seats" and so on feedbacks
MC: Reading different articles, I hear crash safety and all the safety rules that wasn't in AE86 age... we hear a lot about weight problem. That's why using boxer engine and make center gravity low to make good balance... overall how much it's gonna be weighted?
TT: Weight is very important part... we hear cut under 1,000kg (2,204 lbs), but reality adding all those safety stuff included in this car... this car going to be really light car.
MC: Light?
TT: Altezza was 2L NA (IS300, but in Japan had 2L NA) and current safety stuff is more strict than Altezza. How much was Altezza?
TK: 1345kg (2965 lbs)
TT: .....
TK: Is it lighter than that?
TT: Absolutely lighter than that
MC: So it is safer than lighter
TT: Yes it will be
MC: Comes w airbags and everything and light
TT: Of course
MC: Ah~ now that's some high expectation
MC: Tsuchiya-san, how do you feel? What's the minimum weight the FT86 have to be?
TK: Minimum weight?
MC: Yes, minimum weight
TK: If I buy this car, I'll replace hood, fender, trunk and everything else carbon fiber
MC: To make it more light
TK: Carbon
TT: Carbon?
TK: Yes
TT: That would be nice
MC: That will be tuning shop over there's job, so
TK: Pretty much
MC: But for this....
and vid stops.... WTF?!?!?!?!?

Ah... I'm tired now. time for lunch now~~~~

LOL that was pretty funny.

Were they serious about all the options?

BTW I liked this:

Option and package stuff is TK and fans just made it up... well not made it up, but more like wish list and giving an idea to Tada-san

i wonder if they were serious about the weight... :/ hoping for under 2700 :)

Thanks for the Engrish :thumbsup:

Nice one ichi :happy0180:

It looks so much like a hatchback in these pictures :bonk: :sigh:.

All we can guess it teh JDM spec is going to be between 1000kg and 1345kg. I certainly hope the USDM gets into that 2400-2600lb range. 1000kg race weight would be awesome!

Still not worried about peak power output here. That can always be fixed :bonk:. Just so long as the engine isn't a tuning/building nightmare.

And many thanks Lancie, Aki, and Ichi! :thanks:

thanks arot fol the tlansration! :w00t:

This is what I've been saying. :thumbsup:

Not to be dense, but is the car in this thread a "concept" car or is this the production car?

lol thanks ichi for doing what i was too lazy to do. ホンダのくだりにワロタ

MkII concept that was released in Geneva this past February.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=983

^^ Thanks.

The production version will look a lot like this concept Marrk.

That is the current belief.

Well according to Moto it looks more like the original concept than the Mk2.

"It actually looks better. Take the Original FT86 concept, and add a little more flavor from Scion project's FRS Concept, then smooth down the lines so that it's less tuner looking, and more OEM finesse. Retain the 2000GT C-Pillar, sharpen the tail. And that's how a final version will be. (That's all I can tell you at this point.)"

I'm getting excited about this car, and, originally, I had no intentions to buy it. I'm getting ~10MPG in my Subaru. So, if this car weighs less than 2600 with A/C, I'm in. Otherwise, what's the point? I may as well build an AE86 coupe.

We'll see. : ]

I wouldn't mind "smoothing down the lines" of that from bumper/grill/spoiler/lip thingy. But the rest of it looks close. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the translation Ichi! I found this bit very promising!

Is it just me or does anyone else get nervous when they hear "the flat-4 engine design allows us to place the engine low in the chassis" over and over again? Is that the best that they can say about it? Does the engine have no other notable features?

How about: "The engine mounts will be positioned so that engine swaps will be easy." Has Toyota already decided that many buyers will be dissatisfied with the stock engine and will want to do a swap? And, if so, are they not putting maximum effort into the design and manufacture of the stock engine?


You heard it here first: The weak part of this car is going to be the engine. I have spoken. :D

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unless there is another engine layout i'm not aware of...

Boxer engine is the only engine that is capable of being placed low to the ground.

If you swap the engine, you may gain power but you lost balance.

If you want more power than stock (and assuming stock engine can't be tuned/worked on which is just speculation at this point) you could drop in a EJ207 engine and retain much of the same balance with just some added weight from the turbo and piping. That assumes engine mounts are the same as Moto has lead us to believe.

Not to be rude to Tada-san, but he is from Toyota side so expect him to know a lot about boxer engine might be too much. ;)

Thanks ichitaka05 for the translation. It was helpful.

Uh, why would they actively market that the stock engine sucks? That makes no sense.

Low center of gravity has *always* been marketed for Subaru Boxer engines. I mean, it's even in the Subaru WRX STI brochures. Guess that means STI engines suck too, and should be swapped? Talk about reading too much into things.

To save money and time.

Why would Toyota, who have a history of making great 4-cylinder engines (not to mention that sweet Camry V6 that is in the Lotus Evora) go to Subaru for an engine?